trading cars btw regions / different "standard" options

Hello!

Does anyone know if there is usually a charge associated if a dealer
trades cars from one region to another?

I am interested in a 2007 Limited 2WD I4 .. but I am not intersted in the:

- JBL® AM/FM 6-disc in-dash CD changer with satellite radio capability
[11], MP3/WMA playback capability, hands-free phone capability via
Bluetooth® [12] wireless technology and nine speakers (includes
subwoofer and steering wheel audio controls) (EJ)

The following options are just right:

- 50 state emissions, Daytime Running Lights (DRL), Power tilt/slide
moonroof with sunshade

This options will show up with Toyota dealers in say Chicago, or Iowa
City, but I am in Oberlin, OH, which is about 30 miles West of
Cleveland. Is there a map that shows the regions?

Do they usually drive the cars to the dealership, or do they get
shipped on a truck? Extra cost for buyer?

What are my chances to get my local dealer get me a car without the
fancy CD player w/ 9 speakers(!)/Bluetooth setup and the options I can
get in the (midwestern?) IA/IL region?

Will I have to pay extra for this so that it will negate the $600-$650
I would save by not getting them? What should be my negotiation
position/strategy for this?

I buy a car every 15 years or so, so I'm not very experienced, this
will be my 3rd car. I appreciate any input/suggestions.

Thanks,
Esmail

"Esmail Bonakdarian" <ebonakDUH@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UktXg.8102$K11.3832@trndny07...[color=blue]
> Hello!
>
> Does anyone know if there is usually a charge associated if a dealer
> trades cars from one region to another?[/color]

There is no charge assessed by Toyota or its regional offices. Dealerships
will do dealer trades within a reasonable distance. I would not expect them
to travel 500 miles to get a vehicle if they are only going to make $200 on
the transaction.
[color=blue]
>
> I am interested in a 2007 Limited 2WD I4 .. but I am not intersted in the:
>
> - JBL® AM/FM 6-disc in-dash CD changer with satellite radio capability
> [11], MP3/WMA playback capability, hands-free phone capability via
> Bluetooth® [12] wireless technology and nine speakers (includes
> subwoofer and steering wheel audio controls) (EJ)[/color]

Limited Rav4?
[color=blue]
>
> The following options are just right:
>
> - 50 state emissions, Daytime Running Lights (DRL), Power tilt/slide
> moonroof with sunshade
>
> This options will show up with Toyota dealers in say Chicago, or Iowa
> City, but I am in Oberlin, OH, which is about 30 miles West of
> Cleveland. Is there a map that shows the regions?[/color]

Cleveland is handled out of Toyota's Cincinnatti regional office, while
Chicago and Indiana are handled out of the Chicago regional office. The
owner's guide (not the owner's manual) with the warranty information used to
show regional offices, I have not looked in a long time so I don't know if
it is still in there or not.
[color=blue]
>
> Do they usually drive the cars to the dealership, or do they get
> shipped on a truck? Extra cost for buyer?[/color]

New vehicles are trucked to dealerships. Dealer trades are generally driven
between dealerships.
[color=blue]
>
> What are my chances to get my local dealer get me a car without the
> fancy CD player w/ 9 speakers(!)/Bluetooth setup and the options I can
> get in the (midwestern?) IA/IL region?
>
> Will I have to pay extra for this so that it will negate the $600-$650
> I would save by not getting them? What should be my negotiation
> position/strategy for this?[/color]

Iowa to Ohio is a pretty long distance, and IMO, trading vehicles that
distance is not practical.

You can try an internet search for a vehicle the way you really want and buy
it over the internet or negotiate over the phone, then travel to the
dealership to pick it up, or you can go to a local dealership and ask them
to find one with as few options as possible.
[color=blue]
>
> I buy a car every 15 years or so, so I'm not very experienced, this
> will be my 3rd car. I appreciate any input/suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
> Esmail[/color]

Good luck!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Limited Rav4?[/color]

Ooops .. yes ..
[color=blue]
> New vehicles are trucked to dealerships. Dealer trades are generally driven
> between dealerships.
>[color=green]
>> What are my chances to get my local dealer get me a car without the
>> fancy CD player w/ 9 speakers(!)/Bluetooth setup and the options I can
>> get in the (midwestern?) IA/IL region?
>>
>> Will I have to pay extra for this so that it will negate the $600-$650
>> I would save by not getting them? What should be my negotiation
>> position/strategy for this?[/color]
>
> Iowa to Ohio is a pretty long distance, and IMO, trading vehicles that
> distance is not practical.[/color]

Actually, Chicago has them too, but I know what you are saying. It's still
not just around the corner.
[color=blue]
> Good luck![/color]

Thanks,
Esmail

Ray, Gulf States Tacks on mandatory options on all their cars sold in that
region. - Most people in that region do not realize this
"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
news:c53ed$452e6c8f$44a4a10d$5677@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Esmail Bonakdarian" <ebonakDUH@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:UktXg.8102$K11.3832@trndny07...[color=green]
>> Hello!
>>
>> Does anyone know if there is usually a charge associated if a dealer
>> trades cars from one region to another?[/color]
>
> There is no charge assessed by Toyota or its regional offices.
> Dealerships will do dealer trades within a reasonable distance. I would
> not expect them to travel 500 miles to get a vehicle if they are only
> going to make $200 on the transaction.
>[color=green]
>>
>> I am interested in a 2007 Limited 2WD I4 .. but I am not intersted in
>> the:
>>
>> - JBL® AM/FM 6-disc in-dash CD changer with satellite radio capability
>> [11], MP3/WMA playback capability, hands-free phone capability via
>> Bluetooth® [12] wireless technology and nine speakers (includes
>> subwoofer and steering wheel audio controls) (EJ)[/color]
>
> Limited Rav4?
>[color=green]
>>
>> The following options are just right:
>>
>> - 50 state emissions, Daytime Running Lights (DRL), Power tilt/slide
>> moonroof with sunshade
>>
>> This options will show up with Toyota dealers in say Chicago, or Iowa
>> City, but I am in Oberlin, OH, which is about 30 miles West of
>> Cleveland. Is there a map that shows the regions?[/color]
>
> Cleveland is handled out of Toyota's Cincinnatti regional office, while
> Chicago and Indiana are handled out of the Chicago regional office. The
> owner's guide (not the owner's manual) with the warranty information used
> to show regional offices, I have not looked in a long time so I don't know
> if it is still in there or not.
>[color=green]
>>
>> Do they usually drive the cars to the dealership, or do they get
>> shipped on a truck? Extra cost for buyer?[/color]
>
> New vehicles are trucked to dealerships. Dealer trades are generally
> driven between dealerships.
>[color=green]
>>
>> What are my chances to get my local dealer get me a car without the
>> fancy CD player w/ 9 speakers(!)/Bluetooth setup and the options I can
>> get in the (midwestern?) IA/IL region?
>>
>> Will I have to pay extra for this so that it will negate the $600-$650
>> I would save by not getting them? What should be my negotiation
>> position/strategy for this?[/color]
>
> Iowa to Ohio is a pretty long distance, and IMO, trading vehicles that
> distance is not practical.
>
> You can try an internet search for a vehicle the way you really want and
> buy it over the internet or negotiate over the phone, then travel to the
> dealership to pick it up, or you can go to a local dealership and ask them
> to find one with as few options as possible.
>[color=green]
>>
>> I buy a car every 15 years or so, so I'm not very experienced, this
>> will be my 3rd car. I appreciate any input/suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Esmail[/color]
>
> Good luck!
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>[/color]

"fred" <janetchapin@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:pvudncmMs9NTWLPYnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@adelphia.com...[color=blue]
> Ray, Gulf States Tacks on mandatory options on all their cars sold in that
> region. - Most people in that region do not realize this[/color]

I am aware of the options installed by Gulf States Toyota Distributors (GST)
and Southeast Toyota Distributors (SET). GST and SET are independent
distributors of products from Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A. (TMS). The other
10 regions in the continental U.S. are served by Toyota Motor Distributors
(TMD), a wholly owned subsidiary of TMS. Alaska is served by the Portland
Region. Hawaii and U.S. territories in the Pacific are served by Servco
Pacific, an independent distributor, and Puerto Rico and other U.S.
territories are also served by independent distributors.

When Toyota was getting its start in the U.S., it used independent
distributors who formed their own dealer networks. This is the same model
that most importers at the time used. The independent distributors in
Chicago, Boston, & Baltimore have been bought out by TMS, and the 2
remaining are GST and SET. Although Toyota's management frowns on
"mandatory" accessories, they continue to have a lot of respect and
gratitude for the busisnessmen who were willing to take a gamble and take on
a car brand that few people had heard of, and who helped make Toyota a
successful automaker.

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
[color=blue]
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:c53ed$452e6c8f$44a4a10d$5677@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Esmail Bonakdarian" <ebonakDUH@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:UktXg.8102$K11.3832@trndny07...[color=darkred]
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if there is usually a charge associated if a dealer
>>> trades cars from one region to another?[/color]
>>
>> There is no charge assessed by Toyota or its regional offices.
>> Dealerships will do dealer trades within a reasonable distance. I would
>> not expect them to travel 500 miles to get a vehicle if they are only
>> going to make $200 on the transaction.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> I am interested in a 2007 Limited 2WD I4 .. but I am not intersted in
>>> the:
>>>
>>> - JBL® AM/FM 6-disc in-dash CD changer with satellite radio capability
>>> [11], MP3/WMA playback capability, hands-free phone capability via
>>> Bluetooth® [12] wireless technology and nine speakers (includes
>>> subwoofer and steering wheel audio controls) (EJ)[/color]
>>
>> Limited Rav4?
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> The following options are just right:
>>>
>>> - 50 state emissions, Daytime Running Lights (DRL), Power tilt/slide
>>> moonroof with sunshade
>>>
>>> This options will show up with Toyota dealers in say Chicago, or Iowa
>>> City, but I am in Oberlin, OH, which is about 30 miles West of
>>> Cleveland. Is there a map that shows the regions?[/color]
>>
>> Cleveland is handled out of Toyota's Cincinnatti regional office, while
>> Chicago and Indiana are handled out of the Chicago regional office. The
>> owner's guide (not the owner's manual) with the warranty information used
>> to show regional offices, I have not looked in a long time so I don't
>> know if it is still in there or not.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Do they usually drive the cars to the dealership, or do they get
>>> shipped on a truck? Extra cost for buyer?[/color]
>>
>> New vehicles are trucked to dealerships. Dealer trades are generally
>> driven between dealerships.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> What are my chances to get my local dealer get me a car without the
>>> fancy CD player w/ 9 speakers(!)/Bluetooth setup and the options I can
>>> get in the (midwestern?) IA/IL region?
>>>
>>> Will I have to pay extra for this so that it will negate the $600-$650
>>> I would save by not getting them? What should be my negotiation
>>> position/strategy for this?[/color]
>>
>> Iowa to Ohio is a pretty long distance, and IMO, trading vehicles that
>> distance is not practical.
>>
>> You can try an internet search for a vehicle the way you really want and
>> buy it over the internet or negotiate over the phone, then travel to the
>> dealership to pick it up, or you can go to a local dealership and ask
>> them to find one with as few options as possible.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> I buy a car every 15 years or so, so I'm not very experienced, this
>>> will be my 3rd car. I appreciate any input/suggestions.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Esmail[/color]
>>
>> Good luck!
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

My region did not offer the 8-passenger Sienna CE, but my dealer said
they could get me one at no extra charge. The only restrictions were
that I would probably have to wait about a month and I would have to
select my top three color choices and take what color they could find. I
could still specify any other options.

I opted to go with the 7-passenger, so didn't go through the process.
Thus, I don't really know what I could have gotten an 8-passenger for.
But, I was told that would have been negotiated prior to ordering the car.

Not sure how the regions are defined.

Arthur Hass

Esmail Bonakdarian wrote:[color=blue]
> Hello!
>
> Does anyone know if there is usually a charge associated if a dealer
> trades cars from one region to another?
>
> I am interested in a 2007 Limited 2WD I4 .. but I am not intersted in the:
>
> - JBL® AM/FM 6-disc in-dash CD changer with satellite radio capability
> [11], MP3/WMA playback capability, hands-free phone capability via
> Bluetooth® [12] wireless technology and nine speakers (includes
> subwoofer and steering wheel audio controls) (EJ)
>
> The following options are just right:
>
> - 50 state emissions, Daytime Running Lights (DRL), Power tilt/slide
> moonroof with sunshade
>
> This options will show up with Toyota dealers in say Chicago, or Iowa
> City, but I am in Oberlin, OH, which is about 30 miles West of
> Cleveland. Is there a map that shows the regions?
>
> Do they usually drive the cars to the dealership, or do they get
> shipped on a truck? Extra cost for buyer?
>
> What are my chances to get my local dealer get me a car without the
> fancy CD player w/ 9 speakers(!)/Bluetooth setup and the options I can
> get in the (midwestern?) IA/IL region?
>
> Will I have to pay extra for this so that it will negate the $600-$650
> I would save by not getting them? What should be my negotiation
> position/strategy for this?
>
> I buy a car every 15 years or so, so I'm not very experienced, this
> will be my 3rd car. I appreciate any input/suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
> Esmail[/color]

Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
>
> When Toyota was getting its start in the U.S., it used independent
> distributors who formed their own dealer networks. This is the same model
> that most importers at the time used. The independent distributors in
> Chicago, Boston, & Baltimore have been bought out by TMS, and the 2
> remaining are GST and SET. Although Toyota's management frowns on
> "mandatory" accessories, they continue to have a lot of respect and
> gratitude for the busisnessmen who were willing to take a gamble and take on
> a car brand that few people had heard of, and who helped make Toyota a
> successful automaker.[/color]

wow .. that was interesting Ray, thanks for providing this historical
perspective, I had no idea.

Esmail

Arthur Hass wrote:[color=blue]
> My region did not offer the 8-passenger Sienna CE, but my dealer said
> they could get me one at no extra charge. The only restrictions were
> that I would probably have to wait about a month and I would have to
> select my top three color choices and take what color they could find. I
> could still specify any other options.
>
> I opted to go with the 7-passenger, so didn't go through the process.
> Thus, I don't really know what I could have gotten an 8-passenger for.
> But, I was told that would have been negotiated prior to ordering the car.
>
> Not sure how the regions are defined.[/color]

Hello Arthur,

Thanks for sharing your experience. I am not sure what I will do, the
one time I raised this issue during a test drive with the sales person
she said there would be a charge .. and if this would result in a long
wait and a charge which would yield minimal savings over the $600 in
options I don't want, I may just not even try.

After reading Ray's historical account of the dealerships/regions I
know a little bit more about why/how things work, though I still don't like
it that consumers are constrained by these artificial barriers.

Esmail

You might try going to [url]www.toyota.com[/url] and typing in zip codes reasonably
close to the west of you until you get one that offers the reduced
option set you are looking for. Then search for dealers in that zip.
If they aren't too far away from you, it might be worth a visit.

Esmail Bonakdarian wrote:[color=blue]
> Arthur Hass wrote:[color=green]
>> My region did not offer the 8-passenger Sienna CE, but my dealer said
>> they could get me one at no extra charge. The only restrictions were
>> that I would probably have to wait about a month and I would have to
>> select my top three color choices and take what color they could find.
>> I could still specify any other options.
>>
>> I opted to go with the 7-passenger, so didn't go through the process.
>> Thus, I don't really know what I could have gotten an 8-passenger for.
>> But, I was told that would have been negotiated prior to ordering the
>> car.
>>
>> Not sure how the regions are defined.[/color]
>
> Hello Arthur,
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience. I am not sure what I will do, the
> one time I raised this issue during a test drive with the sales person
> she said there would be a charge .. and if this would result in a long
> wait and a charge which would yield minimal savings over the $600 in
> options I don't want, I may just not even try.
>
> After reading Ray's historical account of the dealerships/regions I
> know a little bit more about why/how things work, though I still don't like
> it that consumers are constrained by these artificial barriers.
>
> Esmail[/color]

"Esmail Bonakdarian" <ebonakDUH@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:k2KXg.5503$WD1.204@trndny04...[color=blue]
> Ray O wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> When Toyota was getting its start in the U.S., it used independent
>> distributors who formed their own dealer networks. This is the same
>> model that most importers at the time used. The independent distributors
>> in Chicago, Boston, & Baltimore have been bought out by TMS, and the 2
>> remaining are GST and SET. Although Toyota's management frowns on
>> "mandatory" accessories, they continue to have a lot of respect and
>> gratitude for the busisnessmen who were willing to take a gamble and take
>> on a car brand that few people had heard of, and who helped make Toyota a
>> successful automaker.[/color]
>
> wow .. that was interesting Ray, thanks for providing this historical
> perspective, I had no idea.
>
> Esmail[/color]

My second job was production ordering. I used to order around 5,000 cars
and trucks a month. Back then, we had a list of every possible model,
color, and accessory permutation, and based on our allotment of a series (a
series is like Celica, Corolla, pickup, etc) I would try to figure out the
model mix that would sell fastest, and then choose colors and accessories
within each model that would sell the fastest. Some series were so limited
that we just automatically put every available accessory on every one we
ordered, like Land Cruiser wagons, where we were allotted 4 a month, or
model 2191 Celica Liftback GTS, where we barely had enough for one per
dealer per month.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Why not? Nationally Toyota dealers earn an average of $1,200 on the smoke
and mirrors options alone that the F& I guys add to all their sales
contracts


mike hunt


"fred" <janetchapin@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:pvudncmMs9NTWLPYnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@adelphia.com...[color=blue]
> Ray, Gulf States Tacks on mandatory options on all their cars sold in that
> region. - Most people in that region do not realize this
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:c53ed$452e6c8f$44a4a10d$5677@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Esmail Bonakdarian" <ebonakDUH@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:UktXg.8102$K11.3832@trndny07...[color=darkred]
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if there is usually a charge associated if a dealer
>>> trades cars from one region to another?[/color]
>>
>> There is no charge assessed by Toyota or its regional offices.
>> Dealerships will do dealer trades within a reasonable distance. I would
>> not expect them to travel 500 miles to get a vehicle if they are only
>> going to make $200 on the transaction.[/color][/color]

Arthur Hass wrote:[color=blue]
> You might try going to [url]www.toyota.com[/url] and typing in zip codes reasonably
> close to the west of you until you get one that offers the reduced
> option set you are looking for. Then search for dealers in that zip. If
> they aren't too far away from you, it might be worth a visit.[/color]

good advice :-) .. I found a dealership in Indiana about 200 miles from
here that lets me configure the car the way I like.

Gotta figure out the logistics, but it does open up some options.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:34:42 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"fred" <janetchapin@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>news:pvudncmMs9NTWLPYnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@adelphia.com...[color=green]
>> Ray, Gulf States Tacks on mandatory options on all their cars sold in that
>> region. - Most people in that region do not realize this[/color]
>
>I am aware of the options installed by Gulf States Toyota Distributors (GST)
>and Southeast Toyota Distributors (SET). GST and SET are independent
>distributors of products from Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A. (TMS). The other
>10 regions in the continental U.S. are served by Toyota Motor Distributors
>(TMD), a wholly owned subsidiary of TMS. Alaska is served by the Portland
>Region. Hawaii and U.S. territories in the Pacific are served by Servco
>Pacific, an independent distributor, and Puerto Rico and other U.S.
>territories are also served by independent distributors.
>
>When Toyota was getting its start in the U.S., it used independent
>distributors who formed their own dealer networks. This is the same model
>that most importers at the time used. The independent distributors in
>Chicago, Boston, & Baltimore have been bought out by TMS, and the 2
>remaining are GST and SET. Although Toyota's management frowns on
>"mandatory" accessories, they continue to have a lot of respect and
>gratitude for the busisnessmen who were willing to take a gamble and take on
>a car brand that few people had heard of, and who helped make Toyota a
>successful automaker.[/color]

I won't buy a new Toyota in the south east, because of the 700 dollar
junk SET adds to EVERY Toy sold down here.

You can get a better deal in other areas, fly there and have a nice
'road trip' in your new car for much less than the 700 bucks...

If I personally buy a new Toy, I'd probably buy one in Washington
State and go out and have a few coffee's with MDT Tech....LOL


--

Scott in Florida

Just in case anyone's been wondering, here's a map with the Toyota regions. I
had been looking for this information for while, finally found it and thought I
would share it:

[url]http://www.toyotafinancial.com/promos/[/url]

Esmail

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:q4l0j2t96o4848rquh94sf19jhfhtnushv@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:34:42 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"fred" <janetchapin@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>>news:pvudncmMs9NTWLPYnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@adelphia.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Ray, Gulf States Tacks on mandatory options on all their cars sold in
>>> that
>>> region. - Most people in that region do not realize this[/color]
>>
>>I am aware of the options installed by Gulf States Toyota Distributors
>>(GST)
>>and Southeast Toyota Distributors (SET). GST and SET are independent
>>distributors of products from Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A. (TMS). The other
>>10 regions in the continental U.S. are served by Toyota Motor Distributors
>>(TMD), a wholly owned subsidiary of TMS. Alaska is served by the Portland
>>Region. Hawaii and U.S. territories in the Pacific are served by Servco
>>Pacific, an independent distributor, and Puerto Rico and other U.S.
>>territories are also served by independent distributors.
>>
>>When Toyota was getting its start in the U.S., it used independent
>>distributors who formed their own dealer networks. This is the same model
>>that most importers at the time used. The independent distributors in
>>Chicago, Boston, & Baltimore have been bought out by TMS, and the 2
>>remaining are GST and SET. Although Toyota's management frowns on
>>"mandatory" accessories, they continue to have a lot of respect and
>>gratitude for the busisnessmen who were willing to take a gamble and take
>>on
>>a car brand that few people had heard of, and who helped make Toyota a
>>successful automaker.[/color]
>
> I won't buy a new Toyota in the south east, because of the 700 dollar
> junk SET adds to EVERY Toy sold down here.
>
> You can get a better deal in other areas, fly there and have a nice
> 'road trip' in your new car for much less than the 700 bucks...
>
> If I personally buy a new Toy, I'd probably buy one in Washington
> State and go out and have a few coffee's with MDT Tech....LOL
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]

Chicago is closer to Florida than Washington state, and my buddy roasts some
really awesome coffee!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)