Interior Trim Panel removal and installation

Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the same
in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna? I have a 02 Haynes manual.
I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was encouraged
how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
about the ceiling <grin>.
I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect the
battery first.
Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store? T.
would likely want $5+ for each.
MO

"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the same
> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?[/color]

Yes.

I have a 02 Haynes manual.[color=blue]
> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was encouraged
> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
> about the ceiling <grin>.[/color]

The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side pillars trim
has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right pillar
trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that, you
have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and de-activate the
side air bags.
[color=blue]
> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect the
> battery first.
> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store? T.
> would likely want $5+ for each.
> MO[/color]

I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from a
dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:42:07 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the same
>> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?[/color]
>
>Yes.
>
> I have a 02 Haynes manual.[color=green]
>> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was encouraged
>> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
>> about the ceiling <grin>.[/color]
>
>The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side pillars trim
>has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right pillar
>trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that, you
>have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and de-activate the
>side air bags.
>[color=green]
>> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect the
>> battery first.
>> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store? T.
>> would likely want $5+ for each.
>> MO[/color]
>
>I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from a
>dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.[/color]

Thanks Ray,
As a follow up - does disconnecting the battery cause the loss of all
codes and settings - from engine to radio?
How difficult or simple is it to restore this?

MO

"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
news:alsvi2lsksbki78bdi8i19p6904m1o62uo@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:42:07 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the same
>>> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?[/color]
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>> I have a 02 Haynes manual.[color=darkred]
>>> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was encouraged
>>> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
>>> about the ceiling <grin>.[/color]
>>
>>The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side pillars
>>trim
>>has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right pillar
>>trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that, you
>>have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and de-activate
>>the
>>side air bags.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect the
>>> battery first.
>>> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store? T.
>>> would likely want $5+ for each.
>>> MO[/color]
>>
>>I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from a
>>dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.[/color]
>[/color]
[color=blue]
> Thanks Ray,
> As a follow up - does disconnecting the battery cause the loss of all
> codes and settings - from engine to radio?[/color]

Yes, however, note that disconnecting the battery does not immediately
de-energize the supplemental restraint system, commonly referred to as air
bags. The SRS is designed this way because the vehicle battery is often
damaged in a collission so it needs another source of power to ignite the
squibs.
[color=blue]
> How difficult or simple is it to restore this?
>
> MO[/color]

The radio is simple to restore - just write down the pre-set radio stations
before you disconnect the battery. If you have programmed a theft deterrent
code in the radio, you should make sure you know it BEFORE you disconnect
the battery or lose power, otherwise, you will have to pay a dealer for the
universal unlock code

It is not necessary to do anything special to the powertrain electronic
control module (ECM) if power is lost.

There are other vehicle systems that may or may not be affected by
disconnecting the battery - you should check your service manual, TSBs, or
your local Toyota service department if the following are affected - vehicle
theft deterrent system, keyless entry system, immobilizer system, automatic
headlights/daytime running lights, and Homelink system.

Just curious... Why do you want to drop the headliner? Dropping headliners
is a huge pain, even without side curtain air bags. Professional
technicians cringe at the thought of having to drop headliners, and Toyota
developed a special technique to install roof racks without having to drop
the headliners. In 35 years of messing with cars I have managed to avoid
the need to drop the headliner. Unless you prefer self-inflicted brain
damage and you would like to introduce tears, stains, sags, rattles, and
creaks into your headliner, I recommend finding another way to accomplish
whatever it is you want to accomplish.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:51:08 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>news:alsvi2lsksbki78bdi8i19p6904m1o62uo@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:42:07 -0500, "Ray O"
>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...
>>>> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the same
>>>> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>
>>> I have a 02 Haynes manual.
>>>> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was encouraged
>>>> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
>>>> about the ceiling <grin>.
>>>
>>>The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side pillars
>>>trim
>>>has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right pillar
>>>trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that, you
>>>have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and de-activate
>>>the
>>>side air bags.
>>>
>>>> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect the
>>>> battery first.
>>>> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store? T.
>>>> would likely want $5+ for each.
>>>> MO
>>>
>>>I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from a
>>>dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.[/color]
>>[/color]
>[color=green]
>> Thanks Ray,
>> As a follow up - does disconnecting the battery cause the loss of all
>> codes and settings - from engine to radio?[/color]
>
>Yes, however, note that disconnecting the battery does not immediately
>de-energize the supplemental restraint system, commonly referred to as air
>bags. The SRS is designed this way because the vehicle battery is often
>damaged in a collission so it needs another source of power to ignite the
>squibs.
>[color=green]
>> How difficult or simple is it to restore this?
>>
>> MO[/color]
>
>The radio is simple to restore - just write down the pre-set radio stations
>before you disconnect the battery. If you have programmed a theft deterrent
>code in the radio, you should make sure you know it BEFORE you disconnect
>the battery or lose power, otherwise, you will have to pay a dealer for the
>universal unlock code[/color]

Have nothing except std keys - with the push button to unlock.
[color=blue]
>
>It is not necessary to do anything special to the powertrain electronic
>control module (ECM) if power is lost.
>
>There are other vehicle systems that may or may not be affected by
>disconnecting the battery - you should check your service manual, TSBs, or
>your local Toyota service department if the following are affected - vehicle
>theft deterrent system, keyless entry system, immobilizer system, automatic
>headlights/daytime running lights, and Homelink system.[/color]

I'm using whatever factory settings it came with. So it would NOT
default to those?

[color=blue]
>
>Just curious... Why do you want to drop the headliner? Dropping headliners
>is a huge pain, even without side curtain air bags. Professional
>technicians cringe at the thought of having to drop headliners, and Toyota
>developed a special technique to install roof racks without having to drop
>the headliners. In 35 years of messing with cars I have managed to avoid
>the need to drop the headliner. Unless you prefer self-inflicted brain
>damage and you would like to introduce tears, stains, sags, rattles, and
>creaks into your headliner, I recommend finding another way to accomplish
>whatever it is you want to accomplish.[/color]

It is a special antenna so I can communicate with people in outer
space <G>. It is a great benefit if the ant. is located symmetrically
on the vehicle or else I need to boost power significantly.

If it were simple then a quick look see would be good for future
reference - since there is no doubt both plumbing for the rear ac and
el circuits galore.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:32:21 +0000, MO full name wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:51:08 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>news:alsvi2lsksbki78bdi8i19p6904m1o62uo@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:42:07 -0500, "Ray O"
>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...
>>>>> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the same
>>>>> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?
>>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>> I have a 02 Haynes manual.
>>>>> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was encouraged
>>>>> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
>>>>> about the ceiling <grin>.
>>>>
>>>>The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side pillars
>>>>trim
>>>>has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right pillar
>>>>trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that, you
>>>>have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and de-activate
>>>>the
>>>>side air bags.
>>>>
>>>>> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect the
>>>>> battery first.
>>>>> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store? T.
>>>>> would likely want $5+ for each.
>>>>> MO
>>>>
>>>>I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from a
>>>>dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.
>>>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Thanks Ray,
>>> As a follow up - does disconnecting the battery cause the loss of all
>>> codes and settings - from engine to radio?[/color]
>>
>>Yes, however, note that disconnecting the battery does not immediately
>>de-energize the supplemental restraint system, commonly referred to as air
>>bags. The SRS is designed this way because the vehicle battery is often
>>damaged in a collission so it needs another source of power to ignite the
>>squibs.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> How difficult or simple is it to restore this?
>>>
>>> MO[/color]
>>
>>The radio is simple to restore - just write down the pre-set radio stations
>>before you disconnect the battery. If you have programmed a theft deterrent
>>code in the radio, you should make sure you know it BEFORE you disconnect
>>the battery or lose power, otherwise, you will have to pay a dealer for the
>>universal unlock code[/color]
>
> Have nothing except std keys - with the push button to unlock.
>[color=green]
>>
>>It is not necessary to do anything special to the powertrain electronic
>>control module (ECM) if power is lost.
>>
>>There are other vehicle systems that may or may not be affected by
>>disconnecting the battery - you should check your service manual, TSBs, or
>>your local Toyota service department if the following are affected - vehicle
>>theft deterrent system, keyless entry system, immobilizer system, automatic
>>headlights/daytime running lights, and Homelink system.[/color]
>
> I'm using whatever factory settings it came with. So it would NOT
> default to those?
>
>[color=green]
>>
>>Just curious... Why do you want to drop the headliner? Dropping headliners
>>is a huge pain, even without side curtain air bags. Professional
>>technicians cringe at the thought of having to drop headliners, and Toyota
>>developed a special technique to install roof racks without having to drop
>>the headliners. In 35 years of messing with cars I have managed to avoid
>>the need to drop the headliner. Unless you prefer self-inflicted brain
>>damage and you would like to introduce tears, stains, sags, rattles, and
>>creaks into your headliner, I recommend finding another way to accomplish
>>whatever it is you want to accomplish.[/color]
>
> It is a special antenna so I can communicate with people in outer
> space <G>. It is a great benefit if the ant. is located symmetrically
> on the vehicle or else I need to boost power significantly.
>
> If it were simple then a quick look see would be good for future
> reference - since there is no doubt both plumbing for the rear ac and
> el circuits galore.[/color]


MOONBAT!!!! ;)

"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
news:pf40j296ua5ekvp1926kb1okfeu64o0lhm@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:51:08 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>news:alsvi2lsksbki78bdi8i19p6904m1o62uo@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:42:07 -0500, "Ray O"
>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...
>>>>> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the same
>>>>> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?
>>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>> I have a 02 Haynes manual.
>>>>> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was encouraged
>>>>> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
>>>>> about the ceiling <grin>.
>>>>
>>>>The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side pillars
>>>>trim
>>>>has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right pillar
>>>>trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that,
>>>>you
>>>>have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and de-activate
>>>>the
>>>>side air bags.
>>>>
>>>>> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect the
>>>>> battery first.
>>>>> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store? T.
>>>>> would likely want $5+ for each.
>>>>> MO
>>>>
>>>>I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from a
>>>>dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.
>>>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Thanks Ray,
>>> As a follow up - does disconnecting the battery cause the loss of all
>>> codes and settings - from engine to radio?[/color]
>>
>>Yes, however, note that disconnecting the battery does not immediately
>>de-energize the supplemental restraint system, commonly referred to as air
>>bags. The SRS is designed this way because the vehicle battery is often
>>damaged in a collission so it needs another source of power to ignite the
>>squibs.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> How difficult or simple is it to restore this?
>>>
>>> MO[/color]
>>
>>The radio is simple to restore - just write down the pre-set radio
>>stations
>>before you disconnect the battery. If you have programmed a theft
>>deterrent
>>code in the radio, you should make sure you know it BEFORE you disconnect
>>the battery or lose power, otherwise, you will have to pay a dealer for
>>the
>>universal unlock code[/color]
>
> Have nothing except std keys - with the push button to unlock.[/color]

The keyless entry may need re-programming.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>>
>>It is not necessary to do anything special to the powertrain electronic
>>control module (ECM) if power is lost.
>>
>>There are other vehicle systems that may or may not be affected by
>>disconnecting the battery - you should check your service manual, TSBs, or
>>your local Toyota service department if the following are affected -
>>vehicle
>>theft deterrent system, keyless entry system, immobilizer system,
>>automatic
>>headlights/daytime running lights, and Homelink system.[/color]
>
> I'm using whatever factory settings it came with. So it would NOT
> default to those?[/color]

Some systems need to be re-initialized after power loss, which is done by
the dealership as part of the pre-delivery service.[color=blue]
>
>[color=green]
>>
>>Just curious... Why do you want to drop the headliner? Dropping
>>headliners
>>is a huge pain, even without side curtain air bags. Professional
>>technicians cringe at the thought of having to drop headliners, and Toyota
>>developed a special technique to install roof racks without having to drop
>>the headliners. In 35 years of messing with cars I have managed to avoid
>>the need to drop the headliner. Unless you prefer self-inflicted brain
>>damage and you would like to introduce tears, stains, sags, rattles, and
>>creaks into your headliner, I recommend finding another way to accomplish
>>whatever it is you want to accomplish.[/color]
>
> It is a special antenna so I can communicate with people in outer
> space <G>. It is a great benefit if the ant. is located symmetrically
> on the vehicle or else I need to boost power significantly.
>
> If it were simple then a quick look see would be good for future
> reference - since there is no doubt both plumbing for the rear ac and
> el circuits galore.[/color]

If you want to install a roof-mounted antenna, my advice would be to drill
from above with a drill-stop collar and then snake the cable through the
headliner without dropping the entire headliner.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:55:01 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>news:pf40j296ua5ekvp1926kb1okfeu64o0lhm@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:51:08 -0500, "Ray O"
>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>news:alsvi2lsksbki78bdi8i19p6904m1o62uo@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:42:07 -0500, "Ray O"
>>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the same
>>>>>> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 02 Haynes manual.
>>>>>> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was encouraged
>>>>>> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
>>>>>> about the ceiling <grin>.
>>>>>
>>>>>The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side pillars
>>>>>trim
>>>>>has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right pillar
>>>>>trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that,
>>>>>you
>>>>>have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and de-activate
>>>>>the
>>>>>side air bags.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect the
>>>>>> battery first.
>>>>>> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store? T.
>>>>>> would likely want $5+ for each.
>>>>>> MO
>>>>>
>>>>>I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from a
>>>>>dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks Ray,
>>>> As a follow up - does disconnecting the battery cause the loss of all
>>>> codes and settings - from engine to radio?
>>>
>>>Yes, however, note that disconnecting the battery does not immediately
>>>de-energize the supplemental restraint system, commonly referred to as air
>>>bags. The SRS is designed this way because the vehicle battery is often
>>>damaged in a collission so it needs another source of power to ignite the
>>>squibs.
>>>
>>>> How difficult or simple is it to restore this?
>>>>
>>>> MO
>>>
>>>The radio is simple to restore - just write down the pre-set radio
>>>stations
>>>before you disconnect the battery. If you have programmed a theft
>>>deterrent
>>>code in the radio, you should make sure you know it BEFORE you disconnect
>>>the battery or lose power, otherwise, you will have to pay a dealer for
>>>the
>>>universal unlock code[/color]
>>
>> Have nothing except std keys - with the push button to unlock.[/color]
>
>The keyless entry may need re-programming.
>[color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>It is not necessary to do anything special to the powertrain electronic
>>>control module (ECM) if power is lost.
>>>
>>>There are other vehicle systems that may or may not be affected by
>>>disconnecting the battery - you should check your service manual, TSBs, or
>>>your local Toyota service department if the following are affected -
>>>vehicle
>>>theft deterrent system, keyless entry system, immobilizer system,
>>>automatic
>>>headlights/daytime running lights, and Homelink system.[/color]
>>
>> I'm using whatever factory settings it came with. So it would NOT
>> default to those?[/color]
>
>Some systems need to be re-initialized after power loss, which is done by
>the dealership as part of the pre-delivery service.[color=green]
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>Just curious... Why do you want to drop the headliner? Dropping
>>>headliners
>>>is a huge pain, even without side curtain air bags. Professional
>>>technicians cringe at the thought of having to drop headliners, and Toyota
>>>developed a special technique to install roof racks without having to drop
>>>the headliners. In 35 years of messing with cars I have managed to avoid
>>>the need to drop the headliner. Unless you prefer self-inflicted brain
>>>damage and you would like to introduce tears, stains, sags, rattles, and
>>>creaks into your headliner, I recommend finding another way to accomplish
>>>whatever it is you want to accomplish.[/color]
>>
>> It is a special antenna so I can communicate with people in outer
>> space <G>. It is a great benefit if the ant. is located symmetrically
>> on the vehicle or else I need to boost power significantly.
>>
>> If it were simple then a quick look see would be good for future
>> reference - since there is no doubt both plumbing for the rear ac and
>> el circuits galore.[/color]
>
>If you want to install a roof-mounted antenna, my advice would be to drill
>from above with a drill-stop collar and then snake the cable through the
>headliner without dropping the entire headliner.[/color]

Sounds like the best route to go - IF I go that route.

Clearly one should avoid changing or disconnecting the battery at just
about all cost. If an owner puts in a new battery will the car even
start or drive to the nearest dealer to be reprogrammed?

Typical cost for this - one hr?

Can one remove panels carefully without removing the battery first?

"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
news:kcd2j292la75m07kuq3ihikdmlkk0raj54@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:55:01 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>news:pf40j296ua5ekvp1926kb1okfeu64o0lhm@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:51:08 -0500, "Ray O"
>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:alsvi2lsksbki78bdi8i19p6904m1o62uo@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:42:07 -0500, "Ray O"
>>>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 02 Haynes manual.
>>>>>>> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was
>>>>>>> encouraged
>>>>>>> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
>>>>>>> about the ceiling <grin>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side
>>>>>>pillars
>>>>>>trim
>>>>>>has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right
>>>>>>pillar
>>>>>>trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that,
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and
>>>>>>de-activate
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>side air bags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> battery first.
>>>>>>> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store?
>>>>>>> T.
>>>>>>> would likely want $5+ for each.
>>>>>>> MO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Ray,
>>>>> As a follow up - does disconnecting the battery cause the loss of all
>>>>> codes and settings - from engine to radio?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, however, note that disconnecting the battery does not immediately
>>>>de-energize the supplemental restraint system, commonly referred to as
>>>>air
>>>>bags. The SRS is designed this way because the vehicle battery is
>>>>often
>>>>damaged in a collission so it needs another source of power to ignite
>>>>the
>>>>squibs.
>>>>
>>>>> How difficult or simple is it to restore this?
>>>>>
>>>>> MO
>>>>
>>>>The radio is simple to restore - just write down the pre-set radio
>>>>stations
>>>>before you disconnect the battery. If you have programmed a theft
>>>>deterrent
>>>>code in the radio, you should make sure you know it BEFORE you
>>>>disconnect
>>>>the battery or lose power, otherwise, you will have to pay a dealer for
>>>>the
>>>>universal unlock code
>>>
>>> Have nothing except std keys - with the push button to unlock.[/color]
>>
>>The keyless entry may need re-programming.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is not necessary to do anything special to the powertrain electronic
>>>>control module (ECM) if power is lost.
>>>>
>>>>There are other vehicle systems that may or may not be affected by
>>>>disconnecting the battery - you should check your service manual, TSBs,
>>>>or
>>>>your local Toyota service department if the following are affected -
>>>>vehicle
>>>>theft deterrent system, keyless entry system, immobilizer system,
>>>>automatic
>>>>headlights/daytime running lights, and Homelink system.
>>>
>>> I'm using whatever factory settings it came with. So it would NOT
>>> default to those?[/color]
>>
>>Some systems need to be re-initialized after power loss, which is done by
>>the dealership as part of the pre-delivery service.[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Just curious... Why do you want to drop the headliner? Dropping
>>>>headliners
>>>>is a huge pain, even without side curtain air bags. Professional
>>>>technicians cringe at the thought of having to drop headliners, and
>>>>Toyota
>>>>developed a special technique to install roof racks without having to
>>>>drop
>>>>the headliners. In 35 years of messing with cars I have managed to
>>>>avoid
>>>>the need to drop the headliner. Unless you prefer self-inflicted brain
>>>>damage and you would like to introduce tears, stains, sags, rattles, and
>>>>creaks into your headliner, I recommend finding another way to
>>>>accomplish
>>>>whatever it is you want to accomplish.
>>>
>>> It is a special antenna so I can communicate with people in outer
>>> space <G>. It is a great benefit if the ant. is located symmetrically
>>> on the vehicle or else I need to boost power significantly.
>>>
>>> If it were simple then a quick look see would be good for future
>>> reference - since there is no doubt both plumbing for the rear ac and
>>> el circuits galore.[/color]
>>
>>If you want to install a roof-mounted antenna, my advice would be to drill
>>from above with a drill-stop collar and then snake the cable through the
>>headliner without dropping the entire headliner.[/color]
>
> Sounds like the best route to go - IF I go that route.
>
> Clearly one should avoid changing or disconnecting the battery at just
> about all cost. If an owner puts in a new battery will the car even
> start or drive to the nearest dealer to be reprogrammed?[/color]

Yes. You can probably replace the battery with few or no ill effects if you
re-connect the power in a reasonable time.[color=blue]
>
> Typical cost for this - one hr?[/color]

It depends on the shop's minimum charge. Actual time is probably about 15
minutes.
[color=blue]
>
> Can one remove panels carefully without removing the battery first?[/color]

It depends on which panels. Do not disturb any bright yellow wires - they
are for the SRS. You can probably remove B, C, and D pillar panels without
any problem. Since you mentioned outer space, I suspect that you are
installing a satellite radio antenna. I am not that familiar with the
properties of a satellite radio antenna, but I've noticed that most OEM
installations of satellite radio antennas are centered left-right above the
rear window, so centering the antenna in the roof may not be necessary for
good reception. If you install a magnetic or stuck-on antenna above the
rear hatch, you can snake the wire under the trim and down the D-pillar and
then under the carpet to the dashboard. Note that if you drill the body,
you break the factory paint job and give rust another place to form, even if
you carefully touch up the edges of the hole and apply rustproofing on the
interior surface with a special application wand. A magnetic or stuck-on
antenna will preserve the factory paint job.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:13:40 +0000, MO full name wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:55:01 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>news:pf40j296ua5ekvp1926kb1okfeu64o0lhm@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:51:08 -0500, "Ray O"
>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:alsvi2lsksbki78bdi8i19p6904m1o62uo@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:42:07 -0500, "Ray O"
>>>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the same
>>>>>>> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 02 Haynes manual.
>>>>>>> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was encouraged
>>>>>>> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
>>>>>>> about the ceiling <grin>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side pillars
>>>>>>trim
>>>>>>has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right pillar
>>>>>>trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that,
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and de-activate
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>side air bags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect the
>>>>>>> battery first.
>>>>>>> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store? T.
>>>>>>> would likely want $5+ for each.
>>>>>>> MO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from a
>>>>>>dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Ray,
>>>>> As a follow up - does disconnecting the battery cause the loss of all
>>>>> codes and settings - from engine to radio?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, however, note that disconnecting the battery does not immediately
>>>>de-energize the supplemental restraint system, commonly referred to as air
>>>>bags. The SRS is designed this way because the vehicle battery is often
>>>>damaged in a collission so it needs another source of power to ignite the
>>>>squibs.
>>>>
>>>>> How difficult or simple is it to restore this?
>>>>>
>>>>> MO
>>>>
>>>>The radio is simple to restore - just write down the pre-set radio
>>>>stations
>>>>before you disconnect the battery. If you have programmed a theft
>>>>deterrent
>>>>code in the radio, you should make sure you know it BEFORE you disconnect
>>>>the battery or lose power, otherwise, you will have to pay a dealer for
>>>>the
>>>>universal unlock code
>>>
>>> Have nothing except std keys - with the push button to unlock.[/color]
>>
>>The keyless entry may need re-programming.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is not necessary to do anything special to the powertrain electronic
>>>>control module (ECM) if power is lost.
>>>>
>>>>There are other vehicle systems that may or may not be affected by
>>>>disconnecting the battery - you should check your service manual, TSBs, or
>>>>your local Toyota service department if the following are affected -
>>>>vehicle
>>>>theft deterrent system, keyless entry system, immobilizer system,
>>>>automatic
>>>>headlights/daytime running lights, and Homelink system.
>>>
>>> I'm using whatever factory settings it came with. So it would NOT
>>> default to those?[/color]
>>
>>Some systems need to be re-initialized after power loss, which is done by
>>the dealership as part of the pre-delivery service.[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Just curious... Why do you want to drop the headliner? Dropping
>>>>headliners
>>>>is a huge pain, even without side curtain air bags. Professional
>>>>technicians cringe at the thought of having to drop headliners, and Toyota
>>>>developed a special technique to install roof racks without having to drop
>>>>the headliners. In 35 years of messing with cars I have managed to avoid
>>>>the need to drop the headliner. Unless you prefer self-inflicted brain
>>>>damage and you would like to introduce tears, stains, sags, rattles, and
>>>>creaks into your headliner, I recommend finding another way to accomplish
>>>>whatever it is you want to accomplish.
>>>
>>> It is a special antenna so I can communicate with people in outer
>>> space <G>. It is a great benefit if the ant. is located symmetrically
>>> on the vehicle or else I need to boost power significantly.
>>>
>>> If it were simple then a quick look see would be good for future
>>> reference - since there is no doubt both plumbing for the rear ac and
>>> el circuits galore.[/color]
>>
>>If you want to install a roof-mounted antenna, my advice would be to drill
>>from above with a drill-stop collar and then snake the cable through the
>>headliner without dropping the entire headliner.[/color]
>
> Sounds like the best route to go - IF I go that route.
>
> Clearly one should avoid changing or disconnecting the battery at just
> about all cost. If an owner puts in a new battery will the car even
> start or drive to the nearest dealer to be reprogrammed?
>
> Typical cost for this - one hr?
>
> Can one remove panels carefully without removing the battery first?[/color]


Ray alluded that you want to perhaps install a Satellite antenna (I was
only kidding with my Moonbat comment!)

Is this for XM/Sirius, or do you have a Satellite dish for an on-board
video system?

Instead of going through all the trouble of REMOVING everything, what size
wire are you trying to run? If it is an XM antenna then the wire is very
thin; snaking it along the trim panels on the inside of the car, and then
running it out one of the windows is the easiest way. Or, go out the back
hatch or the side door and onto the roof.

I personally don't like drilling panels; in an extreme case the panel can
rip in case of a collision.

If you're running a Coax, a similar method can be taken, run the wire just
inside the trim panels (there is usually PLENTY of room!) and then snake
it through the headliner to the exit point at the entertainment system.
This is certainly MUCH easier that removing the headliner!

If you nee to drill a hole, remove the trim panels in the rear and try to
locate a point to drill where you don't have to yank out the HL.

As long as you are careful, you shouldn't have to disconnect the battery;
at the most pulling a couple fuses should be sufficient.

Just be careful, if you don't disconnect the battery, to not drill through
any wiring! It will all be bundled anyway, just avoid the bundles!

If you could provide a little more info, we may be able to offer more
specific help!

Also, if you have a roof rack, and the wiring is thin enough, you may be
able to route through there. Use shrink tubing or electrical tape for
extra insulation!

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:13:25 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>news:kcd2j292la75m07kuq3ihikdmlkk0raj54@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:55:01 -0500, "Ray O"
>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>news:pf40j296ua5ekvp1926kb1okfeu64o0lhm@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:51:08 -0500, "Ray O"
>>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:alsvi2lsksbki78bdi8i19p6904m1o62uo@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:42:07 -0500, "Ray O"
>>>>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:j5lvi2t6flhu8nhdrfv66m2q6ljje2f1du@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> Are the Interior Trim Panel removal and installation roughly the
>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> in the 06 Sienna as the 02 Sienna?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a 02 Haynes manual.
>>>>>>>> I removed and replaced the panel from the rear door and was
>>>>>>>> encouraged
>>>>>>>> how easy it was with the nifty white snap out plastic buttons. How
>>>>>>>> about the ceiling <grin>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The headliner is a LOT more work. Generally, all 8 of the side
>>>>>>>pillars
>>>>>>>trim
>>>>>>>has to come off, which would be the A, B, C, and D left and right
>>>>>>>pillar
>>>>>>>trim, plus the windshield and rear hatch trim. Before you tacke that,
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>have to remove the assist grips and courtesy/dome lights and
>>>>>>>de-activate
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>side air bags.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that one is to be cautious with the air bags and disconnect
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> battery first.
>>>>>>>> Are those buttons readily replaceable from any auto supply store?
>>>>>>>> T.
>>>>>>>> would likely want $5+ for each.
>>>>>>>> MO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I doubt if you can get the exact fit for those buttons. The cost from
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>dealer is probably closer to $1.50 each.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Ray,
>>>>>> As a follow up - does disconnecting the battery cause the loss of all
>>>>>> codes and settings - from engine to radio?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, however, note that disconnecting the battery does not immediately
>>>>>de-energize the supplemental restraint system, commonly referred to as
>>>>>air
>>>>>bags. The SRS is designed this way because the vehicle battery is
>>>>>often
>>>>>damaged in a collission so it needs another source of power to ignite
>>>>>the
>>>>>squibs.
>>>>>
>>>>>> How difficult or simple is it to restore this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MO
>>>>>
>>>>>The radio is simple to restore - just write down the pre-set radio
>>>>>stations
>>>>>before you disconnect the battery. If you have programmed a theft
>>>>>deterrent
>>>>>code in the radio, you should make sure you know it BEFORE you
>>>>>disconnect
>>>>>the battery or lose power, otherwise, you will have to pay a dealer for
>>>>>the
>>>>>universal unlock code
>>>>
>>>> Have nothing except std keys - with the push button to unlock.
>>>
>>>The keyless entry may need re-programming.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not necessary to do anything special to the powertrain electronic
>>>>>control module (ECM) if power is lost.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are other vehicle systems that may or may not be affected by
>>>>>disconnecting the battery - you should check your service manual, TSBs,
>>>>>or
>>>>>your local Toyota service department if the following are affected -
>>>>>vehicle
>>>>>theft deterrent system, keyless entry system, immobilizer system,
>>>>>automatic
>>>>>headlights/daytime running lights, and Homelink system.
>>>>
>>>> I'm using whatever factory settings it came with. So it would NOT
>>>> default to those?
>>>
>>>Some systems need to be re-initialized after power loss, which is done by
>>>the dealership as part of the pre-delivery service.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Just curious... Why do you want to drop the headliner? Dropping
>>>>>headliners
>>>>>is a huge pain, even without side curtain air bags. Professional
>>>>>technicians cringe at the thought of having to drop headliners, and
>>>>>Toyota
>>>>>developed a special technique to install roof racks without having to
>>>>>drop
>>>>>the headliners. In 35 years of messing with cars I have managed to
>>>>>avoid
>>>>>the need to drop the headliner. Unless you prefer self-inflicted brain
>>>>>damage and you would like to introduce tears, stains, sags, rattles, and
>>>>>creaks into your headliner, I recommend finding another way to
>>>>>accomplish
>>>>>whatever it is you want to accomplish.
>>>>
>>>> It is a special antenna so I can communicate with people in outer
>>>> space <G>. It is a great benefit if the ant. is located symmetrically
>>>> on the vehicle or else I need to boost power significantly.
>>>>
>>>> If it were simple then a quick look see would be good for future
>>>> reference - since there is no doubt both plumbing for the rear ac and
>>>> el circuits galore.
>>>
>>>If you want to install a roof-mounted antenna, my advice would be to drill
>>>from above with a drill-stop collar and then snake the cable through the
>>>headliner without dropping the entire headliner.[/color]
>>
>> Sounds like the best route to go - IF I go that route.
>>
>> Clearly one should avoid changing or disconnecting the battery at just
>> about all cost. If an owner puts in a new battery will the car even
>> start or drive to the nearest dealer to be reprogrammed?[/color]
>
>Yes. You can probably replace the battery with few or no ill effects if you
>re-connect the power in a reasonable time.[color=green]
>>
>> Typical cost for this - one hr?[/color]
>
>It depends on the shop's minimum charge. Actual time is probably about 15
>minutes.
>[color=green]
>>
>> Can one remove panels carefully without removing the battery first?[/color]
>
>It depends on which panels. Do not disturb any bright yellow wires - they
>are for the SRS. You can probably remove B, C, and D pillar panels without
>any problem. Since you mentioned outer space, I suspect that you are
>installing a satellite radio antenna. I am not that familiar with the
>properties of a satellite radio antenna, but I've noticed that most OEM
>installations of satellite radio antennas are centered left-right above the
>rear window, so centering the antenna in the roof may not be necessary for
>good reception. If you install a magnetic or stuck-on antenna above the
>rear hatch, you can snake the wire under the trim and down the D-pillar and
>then under the carpet to the dashboard. Note that if you drill the body,
>you break the factory paint job and give rust another place to form, even if
>you carefully touch up the edges of the hole and apply rustproofing on the
>interior surface with a special application wand. A magnetic or stuck-on
>antenna will preserve the factory paint job.[/color]

The ABCD is that a designation for each side - A being front and D
being the rear of the four pillars on each side? So the two front
windshield As - contain the goodies (to avoid) as I understand it.

Any rear AC or heating tubes above seat height (say 18" above floor)
anywhere?


It is two way radio with CB like characteristics and a coax like ant.
connection. The roof rack mag mount are distant alternatives.

"MO full name" <nospam@hole.org> wrote in message
news:6uc5j2pspepmfjukrsklamemcojjllud6t@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:13:25 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>[/color]
<snipped>[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Can one remove panels carefully without removing the battery first?[/color]
>>
>>It depends on which panels. Do not disturb any bright yellow wires - they
>>are for the SRS. You can probably remove B, C, and D pillar panels
>>without
>>any problem. Since you mentioned outer space, I suspect that you are
>>installing a satellite radio antenna. I am not that familiar with the
>>properties of a satellite radio antenna, but I've noticed that most OEM
>>installations of satellite radio antennas are centered left-right above
>>the
>>rear window, so centering the antenna in the roof may not be necessary for
>>good reception. If you install a magnetic or stuck-on antenna above the
>>rear hatch, you can snake the wire under the trim and down the D-pillar
>>and
>>then under the carpet to the dashboard. Note that if you drill the body,
>>you break the factory paint job and give rust another place to form, even
>>if
>>you carefully touch up the edges of the hole and apply rustproofing on the
>>interior surface with a special application wand. A magnetic or stuck-on
>>antenna will preserve the factory paint job.[/color]
>
> The ABCD is that a designation for each side - A being front and D
> being the rear of the four pillars on each side? So the two front
> windshield As - contain the goodies (to avoid) as I understand it.[/color]

Sorry, yes, on your van, "A" is the windshield pillar, "B" is the pillar
between the front door and the sliding door, "C" is the pillar that is
rearward of the sliding door, and "D" is the pillar at the back. In the
case of a sedan, there are usually just A, B, and C pillars, and in a coupe
or hardtop, just A and B.

Check a repair manual to be sure, but I believe that there is an air bag in
the A pillar, while the side curtain air bags reside at the edge of the
headliner.
[color=blue]
>
> Any rear AC or heating tubes above seat height (say 18" above floor)
> anywhere?
>[/color]

If you have rear AC in an overhead console like the Previa, then there are
probably AC lines running up one of the B pillars to the ceiling or wherever
the rear evaperator is.
[color=blue]
>
> It is two way radio with CB like characteristics and a coax like ant.
> connection. The roof rack mag mount are distant alternatives.[/color]

If you are going to transmit, then my understanding is that ground plane
becomes a factor. If you use a mounting system like the one in this link
[url]http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/pdf/aam1-1700_installation.pdf[/url] then here
are some steps you should take: Remove any courtesy lights in the headliner
so that you can pull the headliner down a little bit while drilling the hole
from above. When you insert the coax, use an electrician's fish tape or
stiff wire to snag the coax and feed it to the closest pillar, then remove
the pillar cover trim and snake down. Be sure to apply a generous coating
of touch-up paint to any bare metal exposed when drilling.

Good luck!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)