{OT} Hey Stuart K...

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url]

How the hell did they pull that off? Those came from the factory!

Natalie

--


"Wicked little doll, you are not human;
wicked little doll, you have no soul."
(David Byrne, 1997)

In article <eh585j.3ls.1@news.evilcabal.org>,
"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url][/color]

good enough for them. That's punishment for Apple getting too close to
MS/Intel. It's like a warning shot across the bow.
--

"dbu" <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote in message
news:howardyno-A636BA.12320618102006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <eh585j.3ls.1@news.evilcabal.org>,
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url][/color]
>
> good enough for them. That's punishment for Apple getting too close to
> MS/Intel. It's like a warning shot across the bow.
> --
>[/color]

But how did they infect those units? A mole within Apple?

Natalie

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:32:56 GMT, dbu <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <eh585j.3ls.1@news.evilcabal.org>,
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url][/color]
>
>good enough for them. That's punishment for Apple getting too close to
>MS/Intel. It's like a warning shot across the bow.[/color]

It was their contract manufacturer that had a Windows problem. It has
no effect on the iPod or Mac OS X.

Sloppiness. I used to write custom sales software for a large modular home
builder. Whenever I was ready to send a new install out to duplication, the
last thing I did was to make sure my virus checkers were all up to date and
then check the master CD.



"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eh5ari.m0.1@news.evilcabal.org...[color=blue]
>
> "dbu" <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote in message
> news:howardyno-A636BA.12320618102006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
>> In article <eh585j.3ls.1@news.evilcabal.org>,
>> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url][/color]
>>
>> good enough for them. That's punishment for Apple getting too close to
>> MS/Intel. It's like a warning shot across the bow.
>> --
>>[/color]
>
> But how did they infect those units? A mole within Apple?
>
> Natalie
>[/color]

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:jbuZg.11158$Y24.8295@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Sloppiness. I used to write custom sales software for a large modular
> home builder. Whenever I was ready to send a new install out to
> duplication, the last thing I did was to make sure my virus checkers were
> all up to date and then check the master CD.
>
>[/color]
Okay - I guess someone will be out of a job soon...

Natalie[color=blue]
>
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eh5ari.m0.1@news.evilcabal.org...[color=green]
>>
>> "dbu" <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote in message
>> news:howardyno-A636BA.12320618102006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=darkred]
>>> In article <eh585j.3ls.1@news.evilcabal.org>,
>>> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url]
>>>
>>> good enough for them. That's punishment for Apple getting too close to
>>> MS/Intel. It's like a warning shot across the bow.
>>> --
>>>[/color]
>>
>> But how did they infect those units? A mole within Apple?
>>
>> Natalie
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:54:08 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url]
>
>How the hell did they pull that off? Those came from the factory![/color]

Their contract manufacturer evidently uses Windows, and evidently had
an infected machine that perhaps put this virus on the new iPods when
their RAM was being formatted for use. Or they might use Windows to
copy files to the iPod when preparing them for use and have had the
virus sneak along.

Software has come from the factory in the past with a virus burned
onto the CD. I think this even happened to MS.

I don't know if Apple can force their supplier to use Macs or not, but
that would solve the problem. If not, they have to make sure they use
up-to-date AV software.

I suppose it's also possible that this was a deliberate action by a
disgruntled employee or something. That kind of thing can be hard to
protect against. (It could happen even if their supplier used only
Macs.)





BTW, I was reading an article about IE7 vs. Firefox 2.0 yesterday.
[url]http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193302738[/url]


There were a couple of good quotes:

"Internet Explorer has many advantages in its quest to remain the
dominant browser, but Microsoft will have to save IE7 from the
vendor's own bad habits. Previous versions were slack on security,
standards compliance, and new features. Bill Gates admitted as much in
March. "In a sense, we're doing a mea culpa and saying we waited too
long to do a new browser release," Microsoft's chairman said."

"But it's security that's been Internet Explorer's No. 1 shortcoming,
according to IT pros and Microsoft itself. "Nothing pains you more
than people bailing on your product because they don't trust it,"
Schare says. Among IE7's security advances: a parsing module
identifies and discards dangerous URLs, turns off most ActiveX
controls by default, and offers color-coded warnings in the URL bar
based on whether sites are trusted. Another is a built-in phishing
filter that spots malicious pages before they reach the user."

(Gary Schare is MS's IE7 Product Manager.)

"Stuart Krivis" <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote in message
news:3ercj2p0ltvtikd1pr63tgve697k8qc2i2@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:54:08 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
> <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url]
>>
>>How the hell did they pull that off? Those came from the factory![/color]
>
> Their contract manufacturer evidently uses Windows, and evidently had
> an infected machine that perhaps put this virus on the new iPods when
> their RAM was being formatted for use. Or they might use Windows to
> copy files to the iPod when preparing them for use and have had the
> virus sneak along.
>
> Software has come from the factory in the past with a virus burned
> onto the CD. I think this even happened to MS.
>
> I don't know if Apple can force their supplier to use Macs or not, but
> that would solve the problem. If not, they have to make sure they use
> up-to-date AV software.
>
> I suppose it's also possible that this was a deliberate action by a
> disgruntled employee or something. That kind of thing can be hard to
> protect against. (It could happen even if their supplier used only
> Macs.)
>[/color]

So this was certainly done by people, and not a weakness in the units
themselves, I take it.[color=blue]
>
>
>
>
> BTW, I was reading an article about IE7 vs. Firefox 2.0 yesterday.
> [url]http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193302738[/url]
>
>
> There were a couple of good quotes:
>
> "Internet Explorer has many advantages in its quest to remain the
> dominant browser, but Microsoft will have to save IE7 from the
> vendor's own bad habits. Previous versions were slack on security,
> standards compliance, and new features. Bill Gates admitted as much in
> March. "In a sense, we're doing a mea culpa and saying we waited too
> long to do a new browser release," Microsoft's chairman said."
>
> "But it's security that's been Internet Explorer's No. 1 shortcoming,
> according to IT pros and Microsoft itself. "Nothing pains you more
> than people bailing on your product because they don't trust it,"
> Schare says. Among IE7's security advances: a parsing module
> identifies and discards dangerous URLs, turns off most ActiveX
> controls by default, and offers color-coded warnings in the URL bar
> based on whether sites are trusted. Another is a built-in phishing
> filter that spots malicious pages before they reach the user."
>
> (Gary Schare is MS's IE7 Product Manager.)[/color]

IE 7 has been pretty good so far. Since they added tabbed browsing, I have
no reason to use FF at the moment.

Natalie

In article <2brcj25rm2lg3nbt01l3k4ldjdb7ehj06f@4ax.com>,
Stuart Krivis <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:32:56 GMT, dbu <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >In article <eh585j.3ls.1@news.evilcabal.org>,
> > "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url][/color]
> >
> >good enough for them. That's punishment for Apple getting too close to
> >MS/Intel. It's like a warning shot across the bow.[/color]
>
> It was their contract manufacturer that had a Windows problem. It has
> no effect on the iPod or Mac OS X.[/color]

I know. It was ment to be a smart assed remark.

I use Firefox on my XP machine and I have gmail for email. So far I
have had no problems.
--

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:51:46 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Stuart Krivis" <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote in message
>news:3ercj2p0ltvtikd1pr63tgve697k8qc2i2@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:54:08 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
>> <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url]
>>>
>>>How the hell did they pull that off? Those came from the factory![/color]
>>
>> Their contract manufacturer evidently uses Windows, and evidently had
>> an infected machine that perhaps put this virus on the new iPods when
>> their RAM was being formatted for use. Or they might use Windows to
>> copy files to the iPod when preparing them for use and have had the
>> virus sneak along.
>>
>> Software has come from the factory in the past with a virus burned
>> onto the CD. I think this even happened to MS.
>>
>> I don't know if Apple can force their supplier to use Macs or not, but
>> that would solve the problem. If not, they have to make sure they use
>> up-to-date AV software.
>>
>> I suppose it's also possible that this was a deliberate action by a
>> disgruntled employee or something. That kind of thing can be hard to
>> protect against. (It could happen even if their supplier used only
>> Macs.)
>>[/color]
>
>So this was certainly done by people, and not a weakness in the units
>themselves, I take it.[/color]

iPods are designed to store files, and that means that there could be
good or bad files being stored. The iPod doesn't really know and
doesn't really care. It simply plays the music, picture, or video
files it knows how to handle and doesn't touch anything else.

The virus may not have been put on by people directly or consciously.
It could have simply been on an infected Windows machine at the
factory and then copied over to the iPods as they were processed.

If anything, it was really a Windows weakness, not a weakness in any
of Apple's products. :-) (Mac iPod users couldn't care less, for
instance, because this virus simply wouldn't affect them at all.)

Once again, this is why I tell people to use AV software when using
Windows. I'm even picky about _which_ AV software, but as long as
you're at least using _something_, you're better off than a lot of
people.

The stats on the percentage of Windows PC infected with viruses or
spyware are frightening. It costs the US huge amounts of money in
wasted time and resources - billions of dollars a year.

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:53:06 GMT, dbu <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote:

[color=blue]
>
>I use Firefox on my XP machine and I have gmail for email. So far I
>have had no problems.[/color]

I still think you should be running some AV software though. It's
cheap insurance. :-)

In article <tb0dj2tup5ub6pfltjp67g1l17mlbmebn2@4ax.com>,
Stuart Krivis <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:53:06 GMT, dbu <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
> >
> >I use Firefox on my XP machine and I have gmail for email. So far I
> >have had no problems.[/color]
>
> I still think you should be running some AV software though. It's
> cheap insurance. :-)[/color]

Home addition comes with Norton AV. I removed it because I don't like
it checking stuff. I guess I'm used to my Mac free of checkers so to
speak. I'll consider reinstalling it when I get time.
--

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:48:13 GMT, dbu <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <tb0dj2tup5ub6pfltjp67g1l17mlbmebn2@4ax.com>,
> Stuart Krivis <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:53:06 GMT, dbu <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >I use Firefox on my XP machine and I have gmail for email. So far I
>> >have had no problems.[/color]
>>
>> I still think you should be running some AV software though. It's
>> cheap insurance. :-)[/color]
>
>Home addition comes with Norton AV. I removed it because I don't like
>it checking stuff. I guess I'm used to my Mac free of checkers so to
>speak. I'll consider reinstalling it when I get time.[/color]

Norton AV isn't really very good, and causes problems for a lot of
people.

I recommend NOD32 (that's what I use at home) and Kaspersky AVP, but
neither of these are free. They both detect more than just viruses,
and they're at the top of the heap in terms of detection and repair.

For a free solution, Avast! is ok. [url]http://www.avast.com/[/url]

I don't recommend the free version of AVG because I have seen it
silently start failing to retrieve updates far too many times.

"Stuart Krivis" <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote in message
news:jgvcj2ll120idtv15r9nes3dnt8cvqioaj@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:51:46 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
> <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"Stuart Krivis" <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote in message
>>news:3ercj2p0ltvtikd1pr63tgve697k8qc2i2@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:54:08 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
>>> <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15316394/[/url]
>>>>
>>>>How the hell did they pull that off? Those came from the factory!
>>>
>>> Their contract manufacturer evidently uses Windows, and evidently had
>>> an infected machine that perhaps put this virus on the new iPods when
>>> their RAM was being formatted for use. Or they might use Windows to
>>> copy files to the iPod when preparing them for use and have had the
>>> virus sneak along.
>>>
>>> Software has come from the factory in the past with a virus burned
>>> onto the CD. I think this even happened to MS.
>>>
>>> I don't know if Apple can force their supplier to use Macs or not, but
>>> that would solve the problem. If not, they have to make sure they use
>>> up-to-date AV software.
>>>
>>> I suppose it's also possible that this was a deliberate action by a
>>> disgruntled employee or something. That kind of thing can be hard to
>>> protect against. (It could happen even if their supplier used only
>>> Macs.)
>>>[/color]
>>
>>So this was certainly done by people, and not a weakness in the units
>>themselves, I take it.[/color]
>
> iPods are designed to store files, and that means that there could be
> good or bad files being stored. The iPod doesn't really know and
> doesn't really care. It simply plays the music, picture, or video
> files it knows how to handle and doesn't touch anything else.
>
> The virus may not have been put on by people directly or consciously.
> It could have simply been on an infected Windows machine at the
> factory and then copied over to the iPods as they were processed.
>
> If anything, it was really a Windows weakness, not a weakness in any
> of Apple's products. :-) (Mac iPod users couldn't care less, for
> instance, because this virus simply wouldn't affect them at all.)
>
> Once again, this is why I tell people to use AV software when using
> Windows. I'm even picky about _which_ AV software, but as long as
> you're at least using _something_, you're better off than a lot of
> people.
>
> The stats on the percentage of Windows PC infected with viruses or
> spyware are frightening. It costs the US huge amounts of money in
> wasted time and resources - billions of dollars a year.
>
>[/color]

You're preaching to the choir here - I have a great AVG AV program, as well
as Spyware doctor. So far, so good

Natalie

"dbu" <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote in message
news:howardyno-0D0105.15472218102006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <tb0dj2tup5ub6pfltjp67g1l17mlbmebn2@4ax.com>,
> Stuart Krivis <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:53:06 GMT, dbu <howardyno@jackass.com> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >I use Firefox on my XP machine and I have gmail for email. So far I
>> >have had no problems.[/color]
>>
>> I still think you should be running some AV software though. It's
>> cheap insurance. :-)[/color]
>
> Home addition comes with Norton AV. I removed it because I don't like
> it checking stuff. I guess I'm used to my Mac free of checkers so to
> speak. I'll consider reinstalling it when I get time.
> --
>[/color]

I recommend this instead of NAV:

[url]www.grisoft.com[/url]

NAV used (sometimes) find the bug, then tell me it can't remove it, and that
I can just ignore it in future scans. Absolutely useless.

AVG freaking kills the damned thing.

:-P

Natalie