fj cruiser rant

My wife and I need a new car. Requirements: 4wd, ac, 4 person, towing
capacity, preferably manual trans. and reliable. Don't want the fluff.
No leather, roof racks etc. just basic, good design. I've always had
good fortune with Hondas, Subarus and other Japanese vehicles so that's
what I prefer. Then I read about the fj Cruiser. Exactly what we're
looking for, and it's +/- 23k according to the Toyota "build your
Toyota " site. Sounds like what we need. So, yesterday I have her go
test drive the vehicle. She drove both an auto and a 6 spd. She loves
the 6 speed. We want to buy a car. No financing, no trades. cash deal,
right now. Then the dealer tells her that he can't get us an fj Cruiser
without optional packages. The least optioned one he has is 32k. He
claims that they all come with extensive options here in the NYC
tri-state area. (I'm in NJ) and that we won't find one equipped how we
prefer. I ask him to try and find one, I'll wait. His response: If I
will give the dealership a significant, non-refundable deposit, he'll
put in a request to have one allocated here, but that it might take 6-9
months. During that wait I'd be locked in to my price, and I won't be
able to purchase another car until the 9 month period is up. That's
ridiculous. I called Toyota customer service today. I asked them if
they could tell me where such a car might be located. They state that
they will not tell customers where certain vehicles may be obtained.
They aren't permitted, and advised that I go to the dealer. I explained
what the dealer proposed and they had no alternatives for me. So, it
seems to me some policy making executive is missing the point. Toyota
strives to market research a niche, then design and build a desirable
product and then try to sell the public on that product. Then when they
succeed, they keep the location of the product a secret! We have a
company that produces a car they want to sell, and a there is a buyer
who wants to buy it, the only stumbling block is that the Corporate
policy is not to tell the customer where to find that product. Absurd.
Anybody have any advice? I would love to buy the vehicle, but I'm not
calling every dealership in the nation.

On 19 Oct 2006 14:00:28 -0700, [email]sw@patmedia.net[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
>My wife and I need a new car. Requirements: 4wd, ac, 4 person, towing
>capacity, preferably manual trans. and reliable. Don't want the fluff.
>No leather, roof racks etc. just basic, good design. I've always had
>good fortune with Hondas, Subarus and other Japanese vehicles so that's
>what I prefer. Then I read about the fj Cruiser. Exactly what we're
>looking for, and it's +/- 23k according to the Toyota "build your
>Toyota " site. Sounds like what we need. So, yesterday I have her go
>test drive the vehicle. She drove both an auto and a 6 spd. She loves
>the 6 speed. We want to buy a car. No financing, no trades. cash deal,
>right now. Then the dealer tells her that he can't get us an fj Cruiser
>without optional packages. The least optioned one he has is 32k. He
>claims that they all come with extensive options here in the NYC
>tri-state area. (I'm in NJ) and that we won't find one equipped how we
>prefer. I ask him to try and find one, I'll wait. His response: If I
>will give the dealership a significant, non-refundable deposit, he'll
>put in a request to have one allocated here, but that it might take 6-9
>months. During that wait I'd be locked in to my price, and I won't be
>able to purchase another car until the 9 month period is up. That's
>ridiculous. I called Toyota customer service today. I asked them if
>they could tell me where such a car might be located. They state that
>they will not tell customers where certain vehicles may be obtained.
>They aren't permitted, and advised that I go to the dealer. I explained
>what the dealer proposed and they had no alternatives for me. So, it
>seems to me some policy making executive is missing the point. Toyota
>strives to market research a niche, then design and build a desirable
>product and then try to sell the public on that product. Then when they
>succeed, they keep the location of the product a secret! We have a
>company that produces a car they want to sell, and a there is a buyer
>who wants to buy it, the only stumbling block is that the Corporate
>policy is not to tell the customer where to find that product. Absurd.
>Anybody have any advice? I would love to buy the vehicle, but I'm not
>calling every dealership in the nation.[/color]


I would go back to toyota.com and use varies zip codes around the
country.

Build your FJ and request a quote.

Let them come to you.

Be prepared for a 'road trip'....


--

Scott in Florida

<sw@patmedia.net> wrote in message
news:1161291628.112180.154860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> My wife and I need a new car. Requirements: 4wd, ac, 4 person, towing
> capacity, preferably manual trans. and reliable. Don't want the fluff.
> No leather, roof racks etc. just basic, good design. I've always had
> good fortune with Hondas, Subarus and other Japanese vehicles so that's
> what I prefer. Then I read about the fj Cruiser. Exactly what we're
> looking for, and it's +/- 23k according to the Toyota "build your
> Toyota " site. Sounds like what we need. So, yesterday I have her go
> test drive the vehicle. She drove both an auto and a 6 spd. She loves
> the 6 speed. We want to buy a car. No financing, no trades. cash deal,
> right now. Then the dealer tells her that he can't get us an fj Cruiser
> without optional packages. The least optioned one he has is 32k. He
> claims that they all come with extensive options here in the NYC
> tri-state area. (I'm in NJ) and that we won't find one equipped how we
> prefer. I ask him to try and find one, I'll wait. His response: If I
> will give the dealership a significant, non-refundable deposit, he'll
> put in a request to have one allocated here, but that it might take 6-9
> months. During that wait I'd be locked in to my price, and I won't be
> able to purchase another car until the 9 month period is up. That's
> ridiculous. I called Toyota customer service today. I asked them if
> they could tell me where such a car might be located. They state that
> they will not tell customers where certain vehicles may be obtained.
> They aren't permitted, and advised that I go to the dealer. I explained
> what the dealer proposed and they had no alternatives for me. So, it
> seems to me some policy making executive is missing the point. Toyota
> strives to market research a niche, then design and build a desirable
> product and then try to sell the public on that product. Then when they
> succeed, they keep the location of the product a secret! We have a
> company that produces a car they want to sell, and a there is a buyer
> who wants to buy it, the only stumbling block is that the Corporate
> policy is not to tell the customer where to find that product. Absurd.
> Anybody have any advice? I would love to buy the vehicle, but I'm not
> calling every dealership in the nation.
>[/color]

The reason that the Customer Relations analyst is not allowed to tell you
which dealer has the vehicle you want is because the automaker cannot steer
customers to one dealership or another, other than to tell you which
dealership is closed to a geographic location. Large dealerships tend to
have more selection than small dealerships, and it would appear that the
automaker is favoring large dealers over small ones, a violation of
antitrust laws.

I would try another dealership in your area to see if they would offer a
more favorable deposit policy, or contact a dealership outside of the New
York region to see if they can check inventory in their region for the
vehicle you want. Pennsylvania is covered by Central Atlantic Toyota, and
the New England states other than CT is covered by the Boston Regional
office.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

I found 1 dealer today willing to take a $500 refundable deposit to
"look" for a car for me. The only point not yet clear is how long he
can hold the deposit before having to return it if he can't locate a
vehicle. My wife was negotiating all this while I was at work today,
and she didn't get a straight answer from the dealer. I will have to
clarify this before proceeding. Or do as you suggest....call dealers in
other locations and hunt for the vehicle myself. After asking toyota to
tell me where these non-optioned vehicles were, I was schooled by them
in the reason why toyota can't refer me to a specific dealership. So, I
then asked them for the allocation list of ALL the vehicles in the
Northeast. I figured that that wouldn't single out any one dealership
as a referral and would therefore be okay. Nope, they wouldn't do it.
It would seem to me that Toyota would want to sell me this car. If the
strategy is to hope that if they ship cars with option packages to the
wealthy market regions that consumers there will buy them anyway, they
may be mistaken. It's not that those markets don't have the qualified
buyers with the disposable $, they do, but for 32k and above I'll buy
something else. Which is much more appealing than a 23k car overpimped
to sell at 32k.

I'm off to the dealers tomorrow. I'll let everyone know how I made out.

Steve

Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
> <sw@patmedia.net> wrote in message
> news:1161291628.112180.154860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> > My wife and I need a new car. Requirements: 4wd, ac, 4 person, towing
> > capacity, preferably manual trans. and reliable. Don't want the fluff.
> > No leather, roof racks etc. just basic, good design. I've always had
> > good fortune with Hondas, Subarus and other Japanese vehicles so that's
> > what I prefer. Then I read about the fj Cruiser. Exactly what we're
> > looking for, and it's +/- 23k according to the Toyota "build your
> > Toyota " site. Sounds like what we need. So, yesterday I have her go
> > test drive the vehicle. She drove both an auto and a 6 spd. She loves
> > the 6 speed. We want to buy a car. No financing, no trades. cash deal,
> > right now. Then the dealer tells her that he can't get us an fj Cruiser
> > without optional packages. The least optioned one he has is 32k. He
> > claims that they all come with extensive options here in the NYC
> > tri-state area. (I'm in NJ) and that we won't find one equipped how we
> > prefer. I ask him to try and find one, I'll wait. His response: If I
> > will give the dealership a significant, non-refundable deposit, he'll
> > put in a request to have one allocated here, but that it might take 6-9
> > months. During that wait I'd be locked in to my price, and I won't be
> > able to purchase another car until the 9 month period is up. That's
> > ridiculous. I called Toyota customer service today. I asked them if
> > they could tell me where such a car might be located. They state that
> > they will not tell customers where certain vehicles may be obtained.
> > They aren't permitted, and advised that I go to the dealer. I explained
> > what the dealer proposed and they had no alternatives for me. So, it
> > seems to me some policy making executive is missing the point. Toyota
> > strives to market research a niche, then design and build a desirable
> > product and then try to sell the public on that product. Then when they
> > succeed, they keep the location of the product a secret! We have a
> > company that produces a car they want to sell, and a there is a buyer
> > who wants to buy it, the only stumbling block is that the Corporate
> > policy is not to tell the customer where to find that product. Absurd.
> > Anybody have any advice? I would love to buy the vehicle, but I'm not
> > calling every dealership in the nation.
> >[/color]
>
> The reason that the Customer Relations analyst is not allowed to tell you
> which dealer has the vehicle you want is because the automaker cannot steer
> customers to one dealership or another, other than to tell you which
> dealership is closed to a geographic location. Large dealerships tend to
> have more selection than small dealerships, and it would appear that the
> automaker is favoring large dealers over small ones, a violation of
> antitrust laws.
>
> I would try another dealership in your area to see if they would offer a
> more favorable deposit policy, or contact a dealership outside of the New
> York region to see if they can check inventory in their region for the
> vehicle you want. Pennsylvania is covered by Central Atlantic Toyota, and
> the New England states other than CT is covered by the Boston Regional
> office.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]

I found 1 dealer today willing to take a $500 refundable deposit to
"look" for a car for me. The only point not yet clear is how long he
can hold the deposit before having to return it if he can't locate a
vehicle. My wife was negotiating all this while I was at work today,
and she didn't get a straight answer from the dealer. I will have to
clarify this before proceeding. Or do as you suggest....call dealers in
other locations and hunt for the vehicle myself. After asking toyota to
tell me where these non-optioned vehicles were, I was schooled by them
in the reason why toyota can't refer me to a specific dealership. So, I
then asked them for the allocation list of ALL the vehicles in the
Northeast. I figured that that wouldn't single out any one dealership
as a referral and would therefore be okay. Nope, they wouldn't do it.
It would seem to me that Toyota would want to sell me this car. If the
strategy is to hope that if they ship cars with option packages to the
wealthy market regions that consumers there will buy them anyway, they
may be mistaken. It's not that those markets don't have the qualified
buyers with the disposable $, they do, but for 32k and above I'll buy
something else. Which is much more appealing than a 23k car overpimped
to sell at 32k.

I'm off to the dealers tomorrow. I'll let everyone know how I made out.

Steve

Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
> <sw@patmedia.net> wrote in message
> news:1161291628.112180.154860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> > My wife and I need a new car. Requirements: 4wd, ac, 4 person, towing
> > capacity, preferably manual trans. and reliable. Don't want the fluff.
> > No leather, roof racks etc. just basic, good design. I've always had
> > good fortune with Hondas, Subarus and other Japanese vehicles so that's
> > what I prefer. Then I read about the fj Cruiser. Exactly what we're
> > looking for, and it's +/- 23k according to the Toyota "build your
> > Toyota " site. Sounds like what we need. So, yesterday I have her go
> > test drive the vehicle. She drove both an auto and a 6 spd. She loves
> > the 6 speed. We want to buy a car. No financing, no trades. cash deal,
> > right now. Then the dealer tells her that he can't get us an fj Cruiser
> > without optional packages. The least optioned one he has is 32k. He
> > claims that they all come with extensive options here in the NYC
> > tri-state area. (I'm in NJ) and that we won't find one equipped how we
> > prefer. I ask him to try and find one, I'll wait. His response: If I
> > will give the dealership a significant, non-refundable deposit, he'll
> > put in a request to have one allocated here, but that it might take 6-9
> > months. During that wait I'd be locked in to my price, and I won't be
> > able to purchase another car until the 9 month period is up. That's
> > ridiculous. I called Toyota customer service today. I asked them if
> > they could tell me where such a car might be located. They state that
> > they will not tell customers where certain vehicles may be obtained.
> > They aren't permitted, and advised that I go to the dealer. I explained
> > what the dealer proposed and they had no alternatives for me. So, it
> > seems to me some policy making executive is missing the point. Toyota
> > strives to market research a niche, then design and build a desirable
> > product and then try to sell the public on that product. Then when they
> > succeed, they keep the location of the product a secret! We have a
> > company that produces a car they want to sell, and a there is a buyer
> > who wants to buy it, the only stumbling block is that the Corporate
> > policy is not to tell the customer where to find that product. Absurd.
> > Anybody have any advice? I would love to buy the vehicle, but I'm not
> > calling every dealership in the nation.
> >[/color]
>
> The reason that the Customer Relations analyst is not allowed to tell you
> which dealer has the vehicle you want is because the automaker cannot steer
> customers to one dealership or another, other than to tell you which
> dealership is closed to a geographic location. Large dealerships tend to
> have more selection than small dealerships, and it would appear that the
> automaker is favoring large dealers over small ones, a violation of
> antitrust laws.
>
> I would try another dealership in your area to see if they would offer a
> more favorable deposit policy, or contact a dealership outside of the New
> York region to see if they can check inventory in their region for the
> vehicle you want. Pennsylvania is covered by Central Atlantic Toyota, and
> the New England states other than CT is covered by the Boston Regional
> office.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]

[email]sw@patmedia.net[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> Anybody have any advice? I would love to buy the vehicle, but I'm not
> calling every dealership in the nation.[/color]

My advice...buy a different make. If enough people get tired of Toyota
dealers jerking them around maybe someone will pay attention. If you
insist on buying a specific make & model then you're just begging to be
taken for a ride.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:43:06 -0700, sw wrote:
[color=blue]
> I found 1 dealer today willing to take a $500 refundable deposit to
> "look" for a car for me. The only point not yet clear is how long he
> can hold the deposit before having to return it if he can't locate a
> vehicle. My wife was negotiating all this while I was at work today,
> and she didn't get a straight answer from the dealer. I will have to
> clarify this before proceeding. Or do as you suggest....call dealers in
> other locations and hunt for the vehicle myself. After asking toyota to
> tell me where these non-optioned vehicles were, I was schooled by them
> in the reason why toyota can't refer me to a specific dealership. So, I
> then asked them for the allocation list of ALL the vehicles in the
> Northeast. I figured that that wouldn't single out any one dealership
> as a referral and would therefore be okay. Nope, they wouldn't do it.
> It would seem to me that Toyota would want to sell me this car. If the
> strategy is to hope that if they ship cars with option packages to the
> wealthy market regions that consumers there will buy them anyway, they
> may be mistaken. It's not that those markets don't have the qualified
> buyers with the disposable $, they do, but for 32k and above I'll buy
> something else. Which is much more appealing than a 23k car overpimped
> to sell at 32k.
>
> I'm off to the dealers tomorrow. I'll let everyone know how I made out.
>
> Steve[/color]

Google is your friend, and Vehix.com (or however you spell it!) is the
Google of the car world!

Check both those out and try to locate what you want.
You may want to try Balise in W. Sprigfield, MA or Toyota of Greenfield.
They might have a better chance of getting you what you want, and you can
take a scenic ride through New England to boot!



[color=blue]
>
> Ray O wrote:[color=green]
>> <sw@patmedia.net> wrote in message
>> news:1161291628.112180.154860@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>> > My wife and I need a new car. Requirements: 4wd, ac, 4 person, towing
>> > capacity, preferably manual trans. and reliable. Don't want the fluff.
>> > No leather, roof racks etc. just basic, good design. I've always had
>> > good fortune with Hondas, Subarus and other Japanese vehicles so that's
>> > what I prefer. Then I read about the fj Cruiser. Exactly what we're
>> > looking for, and it's +/- 23k according to the Toyota "build your
>> > Toyota " site. Sounds like what we need. So, yesterday I have her go
>> > test drive the vehicle. She drove both an auto and a 6 spd. She loves
>> > the 6 speed. We want to buy a car. No financing, no trades. cash deal,
>> > right now. Then the dealer tells her that he can't get us an fj Cruiser
>> > without optional packages. The least optioned one he has is 32k. He
>> > claims that they all come with extensive options here in the NYC
>> > tri-state area. (I'm in NJ) and that we won't find one equipped how we
>> > prefer. I ask him to try and find one, I'll wait. His response: If I
>> > will give the dealership a significant, non-refundable deposit, he'll
>> > put in a request to have one allocated here, but that it might take 6-9
>> > months. During that wait I'd be locked in to my price, and I won't be
>> > able to purchase another car until the 9 month period is up. That's
>> > ridiculous. I called Toyota customer service today. I asked them if
>> > they could tell me where such a car might be located. They state that
>> > they will not tell customers where certain vehicles may be obtained.
>> > They aren't permitted, and advised that I go to the dealer. I explained
>> > what the dealer proposed and they had no alternatives for me. So, it
>> > seems to me some policy making executive is missing the point. Toyota
>> > strives to market research a niche, then design and build a desirable
>> > product and then try to sell the public on that product. Then when they
>> > succeed, they keep the location of the product a secret! We have a
>> > company that produces a car they want to sell, and a there is a buyer
>> > who wants to buy it, the only stumbling block is that the Corporate
>> > policy is not to tell the customer where to find that product. Absurd.
>> > Anybody have any advice? I would love to buy the vehicle, but I'm not
>> > calling every dealership in the nation.
>> >[/color]
>>
>> The reason that the Customer Relations analyst is not allowed to tell you
>> which dealer has the vehicle you want is because the automaker cannot steer
>> customers to one dealership or another, other than to tell you which
>> dealership is closed to a geographic location. Large dealerships tend to
>> have more selection than small dealerships, and it would appear that the
>> automaker is favoring large dealers over small ones, a violation of
>> antitrust laws.
>>
>> I would try another dealership in your area to see if they would offer a
>> more favorable deposit policy, or contact a dealership outside of the New
>> York region to see if they can check inventory in their region for the
>> vehicle you want. Pennsylvania is covered by Central Atlantic Toyota, and
>> the New England states other than CT is covered by the Boston Regional
>> office.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color][/color]

On 19 Oct 2006 17:13:54 -0700, "Bobby The D" <bobbythed@bigfoot.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>sw@patmedia.net wrote:[color=green]
>> Anybody have any advice? I would love to buy the vehicle, but I'm not
>> calling every dealership in the nation.[/color]
>
>My advice...buy a different make. If enough people get tired of Toyota
>dealers jerking them around maybe someone will pay attention. If you
>insist on buying a specific make & model then you're just begging to be
>taken for a ride.[/color]

Buy a Ford and find out why we put up with Toyota dealers...LOL


--

Scott in Florida

I did a search here and found 58 6-speeds in the southeast, one at
Central Florida Toyota. MSRP ranges from $26K to $43K. Took me about
2 minutes.

[url]http://centralfloridatoyota1.reachlocal.net/New-Inventory.aspx[/url]


[email]sw@patmedia.net[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> My wife and I need a new car. Requirements: 4wd, ac, 4 person, towing
> capacity, preferably manual trans. and reliable. Don't want the fluff.
> No leather, roof racks etc. just basic, good design. I've always had
> good fortune with Hondas, Subarus and other Japanese vehicles so that's
> what I prefer. Then I read about the fj Cruiser. Exactly what we're
> looking for, and it's +/- 23k according to the Toyota "build your
> Toyota " site. Sounds like what we need. So, yesterday I have her go
> test drive the vehicle. She drove both an auto and a 6 spd. She loves
> the 6 speed. We want to buy a car. No financing, no trades. cash deal,
> right now. Then the dealer tells her that he can't get us an fj Cruiser
> without optional packages. The least optioned one he has is 32k. He
> claims that they all come with extensive options here in the NYC
> tri-state area. (I'm in NJ) and that we won't find one equipped how we
> prefer. I ask him to try and find one, I'll wait. His response: If I
> will give the dealership a significant, non-refundable deposit, he'll
> put in a request to have one allocated here, but that it might take 6-9
> months. During that wait I'd be locked in to my price, and I won't be
> able to purchase another car until the 9 month period is up. That's
> ridiculous. I called Toyota customer service today. I asked them if
> they could tell me where such a car might be located. They state that
> they will not tell customers where certain vehicles may be obtained.
> They aren't permitted, and advised that I go to the dealer. I explained
> what the dealer proposed and they had no alternatives for me. So, it
> seems to me some policy making executive is missing the point. Toyota
> strives to market research a niche, then design and build a desirable
> product and then try to sell the public on that product. Then when they
> succeed, they keep the location of the product a secret! We have a
> company that produces a car they want to sell, and a there is a buyer
> who wants to buy it, the only stumbling block is that the Corporate
> policy is not to tell the customer where to find that product. Absurd.
> Anybody have any advice? I would love to buy the vehicle, but I'm not
> calling every dealership in the nation.[/color]

<sw@patmedia.net> wrote in message
news:1161301385.226301.102170@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>I found 1 dealer today willing to take a $500 refundable deposit to
> "look" for a car for me. The only point not yet clear is how long he
> can hold the deposit before having to return it if he can't locate a
> vehicle. My wife was negotiating all this while I was at work today,
> and she didn't get a straight answer from the dealer. I will have to
> clarify this before proceeding. Or do as you suggest....call dealers in
> other locations and hunt for the vehicle myself. After asking toyota to
> tell me where these non-optioned vehicles were, I was schooled by them
> in the reason why toyota can't refer me to a specific dealership. So, I
> then asked them for the allocation list of ALL the vehicles in the
> Northeast. I figured that that wouldn't single out any one dealership
> as a referral and would therefore be okay. Nope, they wouldn't do it.[/color]

I thought I'd heard of just about every customer request, that is a new one!
That is a creative solution, and if I were the CR analyst, I would have been
tempted to comply. The logistics of getting the info to you might have been
tricky, but I have a hard time arguing with a solution that is legal ;-)
[color=blue]
> It would seem to me that Toyota would want to sell me this car. If the
> strategy is to hope that if they ship cars with option packages to the
> wealthy market regions that consumers there will buy them anyway, they
> may be mistaken. It's not that those markets don't have the qualified
> buyers with the disposable $, they do, but for 32k and above I'll buy
> something else. Which is much more appealing than a 23k car overpimped
> to sell at 32k.
>
> I'm off to the dealers tomorrow. I'll let everyone know how I made out.
>
> Steve
>[/color]

In most regions, the distribution departments try to comply with dealer
requests for options and models within a series. Traditional wisdom for
dealers is to load up the vehicles while demand exceeds supply, then as
sales slack off, back off on the options, and I suspect that is what dealers
wanted during initial production.

New Englanders seem to be very thrifty and dealers there do ask for a few
basic models even during startup production, and so you may have a little
better luck asking a Boston Region dealer (MA, RI, VT, NH, ME) if they will
find one for you. Call the dealer in Hyannis, MA and see if they'll help
you out.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On 19 Oct 2006 19:37:50 -0700, "Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>I did a search here and found 58 6-speeds in the southeast, one at
>Central Florida Toyota. MSRP ranges from $26K to $43K. Took me about
>2 minutes.
>
>[url]http://centralfloridatoyota1.reachlocal.net/New-Inventory.aspx[/url][/color]

Yabbut, isn't Florida served by Gulf States Distributing, home of
the Port-installed Pack Options you don't want, but have to pay for?

Steve W:

If you want the excuse for a trip to Disneyland (where they're going
all-out for both Halloween and Christmas) Knott's Berry Farm and
Universal Studios Hollywood, and a leisurely Road Trip home, try
inquiring about the car you want at [url]http://www.carsontoyota.com[/url] in
Carson, California and talk to Dianne.

They'll make arrangements to get you from the airport to the dealer
- that's what she did for me when she was running a dealership in
Northern California and I bought a car from Southern California, a
porter picked us up in Oakland and drove us over. Flew there,
purchased the car, and drove home in one day.

You would have a bit longer drive, but everyone needs a Road Trip or
two in their life. You can take "Route 66" back to be different.

And there are many other dealerships across the country that
specialize in Fleet sales over the net - some of them might have a
glut of FJ Cruisers because they just don't sell in that area. Or
they all want them WITH the leather and gee-gaws.

Now that the Web is there, you aren't stuck dealing with those
crooks at that Stealership just because they are close to your home.

I read the original post, and that offer was almost criminal "can't
buy from anyone else while the deal is in effect, and we set the price
no haggling." Yeah, Right, Suuuure... <COUGH*bullshit!*COUGH>

The FJ Cruiser might be hot right now, but it won't be in a month or
two when supply catches up to demand, and all the "Barefoot Pilgrims"
have already over-paid to be the first on their block. Being locked
in to a deal at the 'Hot Car' price even after the rush is over would
be insane.

--<< Bruce >>--

PS: Make a few paragraph breaks, guy!

"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:ohlgj2t5vrk68ocidncior371bh1f6049t@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On 19 Oct 2006 19:37:50 -0700, "Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I did a search here and found 58 6-speeds in the southeast, one at
>>Central Florida Toyota. MSRP ranges from $26K to $43K. Took me about
>>2 minutes.
>>
>>[url]http://centralfloridatoyota1.reachlocal.net/New-Inventory.aspx[/url][/color]
>
> Yabbut, isn't Florida served by Gulf States Distributing, home of
> the Port-installed Pack Options you don't want, but have to pay for?[/color]

Actually, Florida is served by Southesat Toyota Distributors, home of the
port-installed pack options you don't want but have to pay for ;-)[color=blue]
>
> Steve W:
>
> If you want the excuse for a trip to Disneyland (where they're going
> all-out for both Halloween and Christmas) Knott's Berry Farm and
> Universal Studios Hollywood, and a leisurely Road Trip home, try
> inquiring about the car you want at [url]http://www.carsontoyota.com[/url] in
> Carson, California and talk to Dianne.
>
> They'll make arrangements to get you from the airport to the dealer
> - that's what she did for me when she was running a dealership in
> Northern California and I bought a car from Southern California, a
> porter picked us up in Oakland and drove us over. Flew there,
> purchased the car, and drove home in one day.
>
> You would have a bit longer drive, but everyone needs a Road Trip or
> two in their life. You can take "Route 66" back to be different.
>
> And there are many other dealerships across the country that
> specialize in Fleet sales over the net - some of them might have a
> glut of FJ Cruisers because they just don't sell in that area. Or
> they all want them WITH the leather and gee-gaws.
>[/color]

Toyota does not allow dealers to convert fleet inventory to retail delivery
very easily, and an organization has to have at least 5 vehicles registered
to qualify as a fleet buyer.
[color=blue]
> Now that the Web is there, you aren't stuck dealing with those
> crooks at that Stealership just because they are close to your home.
>
> I read the original post, and that offer was almost criminal "can't
> buy from anyone else while the deal is in effect, and we set the price
> no haggling." Yeah, Right, Suuuure... <COUGH*bullshit!*COUGH>
>
> The FJ Cruiser might be hot right now, but it won't be in a month or
> two when supply catches up to demand, and all the "Barefoot Pilgrims"
> have already over-paid to be the first on their block. Being locked
> in to a deal at the 'Hot Car' price even after the rush is over would
> be insane.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
>
> PS: Make a few paragraph breaks, guy![/color]

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:24:39 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Actually, Florida is served by Southesat Toyota Distributors, home of the
>port-installed pack options you don't want but have to pay for ;-)[color=green]
>>[/color][/color]

You don't 'have' to buy a Toy in the South East....

There are very good service departments in Florida, however...


--

Scott in Florida

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:24:39 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:[color=blue]
>"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>news:ohlgj2t5vrk68ocidncior371bh1f6049t@4ax.com...[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Yabbut, isn't Florida served by Gulf States Distributing, home of
>> the Port-installed Pack Options you don't want, but have to pay for?[/color]
>
>Actually, Florida is served by Southesat Toyota Distributors, home of the
>port-installed pack options you don't want but have to pay for ;-)[/color]

Oops. My bad. Had a 50-50 chance to get it wrong... ;-)
[color=blue]
>Toyota does not allow dealers to convert fleet inventory to retail delivery
>very easily, and an organization has to have at least 5 vehicles registered
>to qualify as a fleet buyer.[/color]

In the Car Capitol of the US that's not difficult at all, Ray.
Around here you *always* keep a spare car if you can, the public
transit sucks rocks. Big ones.

Between myself and Dad (a mutual benefit organization): 61 Corvair,
88 FJ-62 Cruiser, 93(?) Saturn SL2, 99 Pontiac TransSport, 99 C3500
Silverado utility bed.

If you want to stretch the definition of 'registered vehicles' a bit
there's a Honda Odyssey FL350 (ORV tags) and flatbed trailer, Signal
Corps PE-95G 10KW Generator and Henry Spen (Willys OE) trailer, and
Coleman Caboose utility trailer.

5 vehicles to qualify? We're good, even if we sell off a few. ;-)

--<< Bruce >>--

"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:r0phj2dve1ef02h2lnj6kmvucr7c3ri3sp@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:24:39 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:[color=green]
>>"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:ohlgj2t5vrk68ocidncior371bh1f6049t@4ax.com...[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Yabbut, isn't Florida served by Gulf States Distributing, home of
>>> the Port-installed Pack Options you don't want, but have to pay for?[/color]
>>
>>Actually, Florida is served by Southesat Toyota Distributors, home of the
>>port-installed pack options you don't want but have to pay for ;-)[/color]
>
> Oops. My bad. Had a 50-50 chance to get it wrong... ;-)
>[color=green]
>>Toyota does not allow dealers to convert fleet inventory to retail
>>delivery
>>very easily, and an organization has to have at least 5 vehicles
>>registered
>>to qualify as a fleet buyer.[/color]
>
> In the Car Capitol of the US that's not difficult at all, Ray.
> Around here you *always* keep a spare car if you can, the public
> transit sucks rocks. Big ones.
>
> Between myself and Dad (a mutual benefit organization): 61 Corvair,
> 88 FJ-62 Cruiser, 93(?) Saturn SL2, 99 Pontiac TransSport, 99 C3500
> Silverado utility bed.
>
> If you want to stretch the definition of 'registered vehicles' a bit
> there's a Honda Odyssey FL350 (ORV tags) and flatbed trailer, Signal
> Corps PE-95G 10KW Generator and Henry Spen (Willys OE) trailer, and
> Coleman Caboose utility trailer.
>
> 5 vehicles to qualify? We're good, even if we sell off a few. ;-)
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
>[/color]

If they're registered to the same owner, you are a fleet!!! There are
certainly benefits to having more cars than drivers!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)