My son recently bought a '96 Camry wagon with auto tranny and 4 cyl engine
(which I mention because I have no idea if it was offered with a 6). He's a
new driver and a teenager, so he's being obstinate about how the gas gauge
should be totally accurate, and based on his initial gas mileage
calculations, he thinks he's getting 17 mpg. Unless the car's broken, that's
ridiculous. Any day now, he'll decide to actually start writing down how
many gallons he puts in, and we'll get a more accurate measurement. But, I
need something to compare it to. Where can I find the manufacturer's mpg
estimates for an older car like this?
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=blue]
> My son recently bought a '96 Camry wagon with auto tranny and 4 cyl engine
> (which I mention because I have no idea if it was offered with a 6). He's a
> new driver and a teenager, so he's being obstinate about how the gas gauge
> should be totally accurate, and based on his initial gas mileage
> calculations, he thinks he's getting 17 mpg. Unless the car's broken, that's
> ridiculous. Any day now, he'll decide to actually start writing down how
> many gallons he puts in, and we'll get a more accurate measurement. But, I
> need something to compare it to. Where can I find the manufacturer's mpg
> estimates for an older car like this?[/color]
"Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> [url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/12940.shtml[/url]
>
>
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=green]
>> My son recently bought a '96 Camry wagon with auto tranny and 4 cyl
>> engine
>> (which I mention because I have no idea if it was offered with a 6). He's
>> a
>> new driver and a teenager, so he's being obstinate about how the gas
>> gauge
>> should be totally accurate, and based on his initial gas mileage
>> calculations, he thinks he's getting 17 mpg. Unless the car's broken,
>> that's
>> ridiculous. Any day now, he'll decide to actually start writing down how
>> many gallons he puts in, and we'll get a more accurate measurement. But,
>> I
>> need something to compare it to. Where can I find the manufacturer's mpg
>> estimates for an older car like this?[/color]
>[/color]
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:48:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>My son recently bought a '96 Camry wagon with auto tranny and 4 cyl engine
>(which I mention because I have no idea if it was offered with a 6). He's a
>new driver and a teenager, so he's being obstinate about how the gas gauge
>should be totally accurate, and based on his initial gas mileage
>calculations, he thinks he's getting 17 mpg. Unless the car's broken, that's
>ridiculous. Any day now, he'll decide to actually start writing down how
>many gallons he puts in, and we'll get a more accurate measurement. But, I
>need something to compare it to. Where can I find the manufacturer's mpg
>estimates for an older car like this?
>[/color]
"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:rkshj2psq7ps2bqo2bvhgb4c2bchsqeqme@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:48:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>My son recently bought a '96 Camry wagon with auto tranny and 4 cyl engine
>>(which I mention because I have no idea if it was offered with a 6). He's
>>a
>>new driver and a teenager, so he's being obstinate about how the gas gauge
>>should be totally accurate, and based on his initial gas mileage
>>calculations, he thinks he's getting 17 mpg. Unless the car's broken,
>>that's
>>ridiculous. Any day now, he'll decide to actually start writing down how
>>many gallons he puts in, and we'll get a more accurate measurement. But, I
>>need something to compare it to. Where can I find the manufacturer's mpg
>>estimates for an older car like this?
>>[/color]
>
> [url]http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/Used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2105/act/usedcarreviewroadtest/[/url]
>
> My '92 Corolla Wagon (lighter and a smaller engine) gets between 26
> and 40 mpg based on my driving style.
>
> I would guess 25 or 26 would be good for the Camry.
>
> Isn't it wonderful how kids know everything... <g>
> Scott in Florida[/color]
It is truly amazing how smart they are, and how quickly they can pull their
amazing theories out of their asses. :-)
My son's taking advanced placement courses in everything, especially
calculus - he's in the super deluxe AP course. But then, he says "I think
it's about 20 miles from home to my job. Doesn't that sound right?" I said
"Well, it takes you a total of about 12 minutes, some of which is on the
highway, and some local driving to and from the highway. If it was 20 miles,
you'd be arrested by now."
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:12:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>news:rkshj2psq7ps2bqo2bvhgb4c2bchsqeqme@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:48:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>My son recently bought a '96 Camry wagon with auto tranny and 4 cyl engine
>>>(which I mention because I have no idea if it was offered with a 6). He's
>>>a
>>>new driver and a teenager, so he's being obstinate about how the gas gauge
>>>should be totally accurate, and based on his initial gas mileage
>>>calculations, he thinks he's getting 17 mpg. Unless the car's broken,
>>>that's
>>>ridiculous. Any day now, he'll decide to actually start writing down how
>>>many gallons he puts in, and we'll get a more accurate measurement. But, I
>>>need something to compare it to. Where can I find the manufacturer's mpg
>>>estimates for an older car like this?
>>>[/color]
>>
>> [url]http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/Used/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/2105/act/usedcarreviewroadtest/[/url]
>>
>> My '92 Corolla Wagon (lighter and a smaller engine) gets between 26
>> and 40 mpg based on my driving style.
>>
>> I would guess 25 or 26 would be good for the Camry.
>>
>> Isn't it wonderful how kids know everything... <g>
>> Scott in Florida[/color]
>
>It is truly amazing how smart they are, and how quickly they can pull their
>amazing theories out of their asses. :-)
>
>My son's taking advanced placement courses in everything, especially
>calculus - he's in the super deluxe AP course. But then, he says "I think
>it's about 20 miles from home to my job. Doesn't that sound right?" I said
>"Well, it takes you a total of about 12 minutes, some of which is on the
>highway, and some local driving to and from the highway. If it was 20 miles,
>you'd be arrested by now."
>
>Response: "Dad, you just don't get it".
>
>Yah. OK.
>[/color]
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_z6_g.3502$Ka1.1921@news01.roc.ny...[color=blue]
> It is truly amazing how smart they are, and how quickly they can pull
> their amazing theories out of their asses. :-)
>
> My son's taking advanced placement courses in everything, especially
> calculus - he's in the super deluxe AP course. But then, he says "I think
> it's about 20 miles from home to my job. Doesn't that sound right?" I said
> "Well, it takes you a total of about 12 minutes, some of which is on the
> highway, and some local driving to and from the highway. If it was 20
> miles, you'd be arrested by now."
>
> Response: "Dad, you just don't get it".
>
> Yah. OK.[/color]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don't feel like the lone ranger, Joe. My daughter, a capital B Brain (she's
now a professor at a major university) had AP classes, gifted program
classes from the time she was 8. But she still has a warped time sense.
When we visit her city, and go to a concert downtown with her, she always
thinks the concert hall is "ten minutes" from her home. But on a good
night with less traffic, it's about fifteen minutes, and parking is another
ten minutes minimum. If we weren't there to hustle her out of the house
early, we'd always arrive so late we'd have to be seated at the
intermission!
Although her 'street smarts' have improved greatly, there was a time she
said she had to go to the bank....on a Sunday. This was not to visit the
ATM, but to do real banking business, and she was mildly shocked that banks
weren't open on Sunday.
So you've got lots of company with your son.
"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:_z6_g.3502$Ka1.1921@news01.roc.ny...[color=green]
>> It is truly amazing how smart they are, and how quickly they can pull
>> their amazing theories out of their asses. :-)
>>
>> My son's taking advanced placement courses in everything, especially
>> calculus - he's in the super deluxe AP course. But then, he says "I think
>> it's about 20 miles from home to my job. Doesn't that sound right?" I
>> said "Well, it takes you a total of about 12 minutes, some of which is on
>> the highway, and some local driving to and from the highway. If it was 20
>> miles, you'd be arrested by now."
>>
>> Response: "Dad, you just don't get it".
>>
>> Yah. OK.[/color]
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don't feel like the lone ranger, Joe. My daughter, a capital B Brain
> (she's now a professor at a major university) had AP classes, gifted
> program classes from the time she was 8. But she still has a warped time
> sense. When we visit her city, and go to a concert downtown with her, she
> always thinks the concert hall is "ten minutes" from her home. But on a
> good night with less traffic, it's about fifteen minutes, and parking is
> another ten minutes minimum. If we weren't there to hustle her out of
> the house early, we'd always arrive so late we'd have to be seated at the
> intermission!
> Although her 'street smarts' have improved greatly, there was a time she
> said she had to go to the bank....on a Sunday. This was not to visit the
> ATM, but to do real banking business, and she was mildly shocked that
> banks weren't open on Sunday.
> So you've got lots of company with your son.[/color]
"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:12ji37hplouvqf3@corp.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:_z6_g.3502$Ka1.1921@news01.roc.ny...[color=green]
>> It is truly amazing how smart they are, and how quickly they can pull
>> their amazing theories out of their asses. :-)
>>
>> My son's taking advanced placement courses in everything, especially
>> calculus - he's in the super deluxe AP course. But then, he says "I think
>> it's about 20 miles from home to my job. Doesn't that sound right?" I
>> said "Well, it takes you a total of about 12 minutes, some of which is on
>> the highway, and some local driving to and from the highway. If it was 20
>> miles, you'd be arrested by now."
>>
>> Response: "Dad, you just don't get it".
>>
>> Yah. OK.[/color]
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don't feel like the lone ranger, Joe. My daughter, a capital B Brain
> (she's now a professor at a major university) had AP classes, gifted
> program classes from the time she was 8. But she still has a warped time
> sense. When we visit her city, and go to a concert downtown with her, she
> always thinks the concert hall is "ten minutes" from her home. But on a
> good night with less traffic, it's about fifteen minutes, and parking is
> another ten minutes minimum. If we weren't there to hustle her out of
> the house early, we'd always arrive so late we'd have to be seated at the
> intermission!
> Although her 'street smarts' have improved greatly, there was a time she
> said she had to go to the bank....on a Sunday. This was not to visit the
> ATM, but to do real banking business, and she was mildly shocked that
> banks weren't open on Sunday.
> So you've got lots of company with your son.[/color]
Reminds me of a friends daughter, who was ranked 12th in a class of about
500, with AP calculus, AP physics, AP everything else under her belt, 760
SAT. During college night, the representative from the local community
college announced that students who ranked in the top 10% of their class
could attend the community college for free, and the daughter was
disappointed because she thought she didn't qualify. kinda scary!
--
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4d6_g.3499$Ka1.3231@news01.roc.ny...[color=blue]
> My son recently bought a '96 Camry wagon with auto tranny and 4 cyl engine
> (which I mention because I have no idea if it was offered with a 6). He's a
> new driver and a teenager, so he's being obstinate about how the gas gauge
> should be totally accurate, and based on his initial gas mileage
> calculations, he thinks he's getting 17 mpg. Unless the car's broken, that's
> ridiculous. Any day now, he'll decide to actually start writing down how
> many gallons he puts in, and we'll get a more accurate measurement. But, I
> need something to compare it to. Where can I find the manufacturer's mpg
> estimates for an older car like this?[/color]
I have 1995 camry LE sedan with 217 000 miles on the odometer.
It makes almost 30 miles on one gallon.
The easiest way to calculate mileage is to fuel at the same station,
on the same distributor and get as much fuel as it fits to the first
click of the fuel gun. Then you reset the trip odometer and drive.
After about 300 miles you get to the same fuel station, same distributor
and do the fueling the same way. The amount of fuel you get is exactly
how much the engine used up during the trip miles.
Of course where and how you drive will influence the mileage.
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=blue]
> My son recently bought a '96 Camry wagon with auto tranny and 4 cyl engine
> (which I mention because I have no idea if it was offered with a 6). He's a
> new driver and a teenager, so he's being obstinate about how the gas gauge
> should be totally accurate, and based on his initial gas mileage
> calculations, he thinks he's getting 17 mpg. Unless the car's broken, that's
> ridiculous. Any day now, he'll decide to actually start writing down how
> many gallons he puts in, and we'll get a more accurate measurement. But, I
> need something to compare it to. Where can I find the manufacturer's mpg
> estimates for an older car like this?
>
>[/color]
The '95 wagon we bought isn't on the road yet, but our '95
sedan, with the same four and automatic, gets an amazing 27-34
mpg *average*, in 2/3 highway driving, with a light right foot.
I'm hoping the wagon will get no worse than 2 mpg less. Keep in
mind, though, that the bigger the car a small engine has to pull,
the bigger the change in economy when driven gently or hard. I
wouldn't expect a kid to get more than 24 mpg, but 17 means there
is either something wrong with the fuel system, or you need to
put a driving monitor in there with him to stop him from racing.
My '97 (4 cylinder, automatic, 150,000 miles) gets 32 mpg with
frightening regularity, and has since the day I bought it. That's for
about 2/3 highway miles and a reasonably light foot, just like the
other respondent.
It's funny, I was suspicious when I first got the car, as the low fuel
light ALWAYS came on with 445 miles on the trip odometer, like it was
connected to that rather than the gas gauge float.
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_z6_g.3502$Ka1.1921@news01.roc.ny...[color=blue]
> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
> news:rkshj2psq7ps2bqo2bvhgb4c2bchsqeqme@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:48:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Scott in Florida[/color]
>
> It is truly amazing how smart they are, and how quickly they can pull
> their amazing theories out of their asses. :-)
>
> My son's taking advanced placement courses in everything, especially
> calculus - he's in the super deluxe AP course. But then, he says "I think
> it's about 20 miles from home to my job. Doesn't that sound right?" I said
> "Well, it takes you a total of about 12 minutes, some of which is on the
> highway, and some local driving to and from the highway. If it was 20
> miles, you'd be arrested by now."
>
> Response: "Dad, you just don't get it".
>
> Yah. OK.[/color]
That is why he is only getting about 17 mpg. Takes lots of gas to go close
to 100 mph if you allow for a stop or two along the way.
My 91 Camry was giving about 26 mpg . It had 4 cyl and an automatic. He
could also be pushing the gas to the floor every time he starts off.
"Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:_z6_g.3502$Ka1.1921@news01.roc.ny...[color=green]
>> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>> news:rkshj2psq7ps2bqo2bvhgb4c2bchsqeqme@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:48:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott in Florida[/color]
>>
>> It is truly amazing how smart they are, and how quickly they can pull
>> their amazing theories out of their asses. :-)
>>
>> My son's taking advanced placement courses in everything, especially
>> calculus - he's in the super deluxe AP course. But then, he says "I think
>> it's about 20 miles from home to my job. Doesn't that sound right?" I
>> said "Well, it takes you a total of about 12 minutes, some of which is on
>> the highway, and some local driving to and from the highway. If it was 20
>> miles, you'd be arrested by now."
>>
>> Response: "Dad, you just don't get it".
>>
>> Yah. OK.[/color]
>
> That is why he is only getting about 17 mpg. Takes lots of gas to go
> close to 100 mph if you allow for a stop or two along the way.
> My 91 Camry was giving about 26 mpg . It had 4 cyl and an automatic. He
> could also be pushing the gas to the floor every time he starts off.
>
>
>[/color]
He's being pretty mild with the gas, actually. Until he started buying gas,
he didn't pay much attention to my grumbling about the cost. Suddenly, it's
like he's mini-me: "Dad....what's with this deal? 1/3 of my paycheck's going
into the gas tank!"
As the father of a 24 year old mega-brain who will receive her MD in a few
months, this is the funniest thread I've waded through in at least a decade.
This one has no problem with time and distance calculations, or even going
through all the digital gymnastics required to figure metric into miles,
remembering to convert to our former "imperial" gallon for "Canadian MPG"
then to the much smaller "US" gallon - all so we can compare our average MPG
to the numbers south of the 49th.
After all this, she still has a hard time relating the math to her right
foot and the relationship between throttle opening and fuel economy. Oh
well...when she's a doctor driving her own fuel sucking doctor's wheels, her
RPM and throttle-opening demands on my V6 Camry will be a thing of the past
and the car and I will be back on a level and measureable playing field.
Great posts. Thanks.
"Scott Schuckert" <not@aol.com> wrote in message
news:211020061014141848%not@aol.com...[color=blue]
>
> My '97 (4 cylinder, automatic, 150,000 miles) gets 32 mpg with
> frightening regularity, and has since the day I bought it. That's for
> about 2/3 highway miles and a reasonably light foot, just like the
> other respondent.
>
> It's funny, I was suspicious when I first got the car, as the low fuel
> light ALWAYS came on with 445 miles on the trip odometer, like it was
> connected to that rather than the gas gauge float.[/color]
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