OT Democrats helping enemy? say it ain't so.......

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_go_co/congress_leak_1[/url]


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Scott in Florida

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
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> [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_go_co/congress_leak_1[/url][/color]

That's a big yawn, Scott. Both parties on that committee have been leaking
info since Eisenhower's time in office. I think it's specified as part of
the job, to drive presidents and intelligence personnel crazy.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:25:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>news:8nthj2p39skm2m97vn66j500dp48isqsmb@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_go_co/congress_leak_1[/url][/color]
>
>That's a big yawn, Scott. Both parties on that committee have been leaking
>info since Eisenhower's time in office. I think it's specified as part of
>the job, to drive presidents and intelligence personnel crazy.
>[/color]

Then let's put them in jail.....


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Scott in Florida

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:25:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>news:8nthj2p39skm2m97vn66j500dp48isqsmb@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_go_co/congress_leak_1[/url][/color]
>>
>>That's a big yawn, Scott. Both parties on that committee have been leaking
>>info since Eisenhower's time in office. I think it's specified as part of
>>the job, to drive presidents and intelligence personnel crazy.
>>[/color]
>
> Then let's put them in jail.....
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]

Not sure about that. Consider what was leaked this time. Why was it top
secret? Because it contained opinions which oppose those of the president?
From what I've seen, the stuff that's leaked to the press usually has the
potential to hurt reputations, rather than put operatives in physical
danger.

The Iraqi militias are so stupid it is amazing the Bush cannot figure out a
strategy to beat them. It is obvious that we cannot win without another
100k or more troops. If the militias just laid low we would leave and then
they could take over. But instead, they cannot control themselves and have
to create chaos
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr/index.html[/url]
and hopefully that will force Bush to do the right thing and fix the country
he destroyed by sending more troops.


"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
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> [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_go_co/congress_leak_1[/url]
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Fi7_g.12101$Y24.1485@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> The Iraqi militias are so stupid it is amazing the Bush cannot figure out
> a strategy to beat them. It is obvious that we cannot win without another
> 100k or more troops. If the militias just laid low we would leave and
> then they could take over. But instead, they cannot control themselves
> and have to create chaos
> [url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr/index.html[/url]
> and hopefully that will force Bush to do the right thing and fix the
> country he destroyed by sending more troops.[/color]


I know we're not supposed to remember these things, but three years ago,
president Cheney and vice president Rumsfeld said the Iraqi "security
forces" would be ready to begin thinking about considering pondering the
idea of writing compositions about finishing training and cutting bait, so
they could take over more of the workload from our soldiers, in about 3-6
months. Then, 6 months later and we heard "just a little longer". That old
song returned twice this year so far.

I think we could substitute "South Vietnamese" for "Iraqi" and be pretty
much accurate.

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_t7_g.3544$ya1.383@news02.roc.ny...[color=blue]
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:Fi7_g.12101$Y24.1485@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> The Iraqi militias are so stupid it is amazing the Bush cannot figure out
>> a strategy to beat them. It is obvious that we cannot win without
>> another 100k or more troops. If the militias just laid low we would
>> leave and then they could take over. But instead, they cannot control
>> themselves and have to create chaos
>> [url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr/index.html[/url]
>> and hopefully that will force Bush to do the right thing and fix the
>> country he destroyed by sending more troops.[/color]
>
>
> I know we're not supposed to remember these things, but three years ago,
> president Cheney and vice president Rumsfeld said the Iraqi "security
> forces" would be ready to begin thinking about considering pondering the
> idea of writing compositions about finishing training and cutting bait, so
> they could take over more of the workload from our soldiers, in about 3-6
> months. Then, 6 months later and we heard "just a little longer". That old
> song returned twice this year so far.
>
> I think we could substitute "South Vietnamese" for "Iraqi" and be pretty
> much accurate.[/color]


Agreed but at least it is not a jungle. And we have more high tech
equipment than we used to. We have had 5 years to flood the Iraqi sky with
armed drones to destroy the militas but Bush has just made one big mess.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:33:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>news:f4uhj2tujp8greapvg0n8qjcf48388mp5i@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:25:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>>news:8nthj2p39skm2m97vn66j500dp48isqsmb@4ax.com...
>>>> [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_go_co/congress_leak_1[/url]
>>>
>>>That's a big yawn, Scott. Both parties on that committee have been leaking
>>>info since Eisenhower's time in office. I think it's specified as part of
>>>the job, to drive presidents and intelligence personnel crazy.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Then let's put them in jail.....
>>
>> Scott in Florida
>>[/color]
>
>Not sure about that. Consider what was leaked this time. Why was it top
>secret? Because it contained opinions which oppose those of the president?
>From what I've seen, the stuff that's leaked to the press usually has the
>potential to hurt reputations, rather than put operatives in physical
>danger.
>[/color]

Anything that is leaked that is top secret should result in prison
time.

A couple of people go to jail and it will stop.

I do agree that the classification of information can be suspect, but
it can be taken care of from within.

Jail is a great idea.

The real enemy in America can be found in the 'staff' people in
Washington. We never voted for these donkey circles, yet they control
just about everything.


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Scott in Florida

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:02:29 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>The Iraqi militias are so stupid it is amazing the Bush cannot figure out a
>strategy to beat them. It is obvious that we cannot win without another
>100k or more troops. If the militias just laid low we would leave and then
>they could take over. But instead, they cannot control themselves and have
>to create chaos
>[url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr/index.html[/url]
>and hopefully that will force Bush to do the right thing and fix the country
>he destroyed by sending more troops.[/color]

When do you leave for boot camp, Art?

[color=blue]
>
>
>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>news:8nthj2p39skm2m97vn66j500dp48isqsmb@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_go_co/congress_leak_1[/url]
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Scott in Florida
>>[/color]
>[/color]

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Scott in Florida

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:14:34 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:Fi7_g.12101$Y24.1485@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> The Iraqi militias are so stupid it is amazing the Bush cannot figure out
>> a strategy to beat them. It is obvious that we cannot win without another
>> 100k or more troops. If the militias just laid low we would leave and
>> then they could take over. But instead, they cannot control themselves
>> and have to create chaos
>> [url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr/index.html[/url]
>> and hopefully that will force Bush to do the right thing and fix the
>> country he destroyed by sending more troops.[/color]
>
>
>I know we're not supposed to remember these things, but three years ago,
>president Cheney and vice president Rumsfeld said the Iraqi "security
>forces" would be ready to begin thinking about considering pondering the
>idea of writing compositions about finishing training and cutting bait, so
>they could take over more of the workload from our soldiers, in about 3-6
>months. Then, 6 months later and we heard "just a little longer". That old
>song returned twice this year so far.
>
>I think we could substitute "South Vietnamese" for "Iraqi" and be pretty
>much accurate.
>[/color]

We were winning Viet Nam.

Tet was a slam dunk for the American fighting men.

We were defeated by the 'drive by media' and the cowards on the left.

Same thing now....


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Scott in Florida

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:20:46 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:_t7_g.3544$ya1.383@news02.roc.ny...[color=green]
>> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:Fi7_g.12101$Y24.1485@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>> The Iraqi militias are so stupid it is amazing the Bush cannot figure out
>>> a strategy to beat them. It is obvious that we cannot win without
>>> another 100k or more troops. If the militias just laid low we would
>>> leave and then they could take over. But instead, they cannot control
>>> themselves and have to create chaos
>>> [url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr/index.html[/url]
>>> and hopefully that will force Bush to do the right thing and fix the
>>> country he destroyed by sending more troops.[/color]
>>
>>
>> I know we're not supposed to remember these things, but three years ago,
>> president Cheney and vice president Rumsfeld said the Iraqi "security
>> forces" would be ready to begin thinking about considering pondering the
>> idea of writing compositions about finishing training and cutting bait, so
>> they could take over more of the workload from our soldiers, in about 3-6
>> months. Then, 6 months later and we heard "just a little longer". That old
>> song returned twice this year so far.
>>
>> I think we could substitute "South Vietnamese" for "Iraqi" and be pretty
>> much accurate.[/color]
>
>
>Agreed but at least it is not a jungle. And we have more high tech
>equipment than we used to. We have had 5 years to flood the Iraqi sky with
>armed drones to destroy the militas but Bush has just made one big mess.[/color]

It is a big mess because it is a gorilla war. Not the kind of war you
overcome with brute force....

You dims should really go down and enlist. Seems you know so much
about warfare....



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Scott in Florida

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:6g1ij2locpjl57lma8vr8m8k1qk3acqqq5@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:33:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>news:f4uhj2tujp8greapvg0n8qjcf48388mp5i@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:25:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:8nthj2p39skm2m97vn66j500dp48isqsmb@4ax.com...
>>>>> [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_go_co/congress_leak_1[/url]
>>>>
>>>>That's a big yawn, Scott. Both parties on that committee have been
>>>>leaking
>>>>info since Eisenhower's time in office. I think it's specified as part
>>>>of
>>>>the job, to drive presidents and intelligence personnel crazy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then let's put them in jail.....
>>>
>>> Scott in Florida
>>>[/color]
>>
>>Not sure about that. Consider what was leaked this time. Why was it top
>>secret? Because it contained opinions which oppose those of the president?
>>From what I've seen, the stuff that's leaked to the press usually has the
>>potential to hurt reputations, rather than put operatives in physical
>>danger.
>>[/color]
>
> Anything that is leaked that is top secret should result in prison
> time.
>
> A couple of people go to jail and it will stop.
>
> I do agree that the classification of information can be suspect, but
> it can be taken care of from within.
>
> Jail is a great idea.
>
> The real enemy in America can be found in the 'staff' people in
> Washington. We never voted for these donkey circles, yet they control
> just about everything.
> Scott in Florida[/color]

That would include people like Paul Wolfowitz, and his circle of "scholars"
who sold this war to Bush. Same type of people who concocted the domino
theory and sold it to two presidents.

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:_t7_g.3544$ya1.383@news02.roc.ny...[color=green]
>> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:Fi7_g.12101$Y24.1485@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>> The Iraqi militias are so stupid it is amazing the Bush cannot figure
>>> out a strategy to beat them. It is obvious that we cannot win without
>>> another 100k or more troops. If the militias just laid low we would
>>> leave and then they could take over. But instead, they cannot control
>>> themselves and have to create chaos
>>> [url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr/index.html[/url]
>>> and hopefully that will force Bush to do the right thing and fix the
>>> country he destroyed by sending more troops.[/color]
>>
>>
>> I know we're not supposed to remember these things, but three years ago,
>> president Cheney and vice president Rumsfeld said the Iraqi "security
>> forces" would be ready to begin thinking about considering pondering the
>> idea of writing compositions about finishing training and cutting bait,
>> so they could take over more of the workload from our soldiers, in about
>> 3-6 months. Then, 6 months later and we heard "just a little longer".
>> That old song returned twice this year so far.
>>
>> I think we could substitute "South Vietnamese" for "Iraqi" and be pretty
>> much accurate.[/color]
>
>
> Agreed but at least it is not a jungle. And we have more high tech
> equipment than we used to. We have had 5 years to flood the Iraqi sky
> with armed drones to destroy the militas but Bush has just made one big
> mess.[/color]

The Gulf War resulted in 148 U.S. battle deaths, and 145 nonbattle deaths,
including 15 women. Wounded in action: 467. I don't have figures for the
next period, when we were enforcing the no-fly zone, but if I recall, there
were less than a dozen casualties, mostly non-battle. During that time, I
read an article about Raytheon in an investment magazine. A company
spokesman said he could not invent a better situation than the no-fly zone
for testing new technology and staying a step ahead of an enemy's
technology.

Other than the mounting pressure due to food & medicine shortages in Iraq,
it's a mystery to me why anyone would want to disturb this situation.

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:6g1ij2locpjl57lma8vr8m8k1qk3acqqq5@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:33:17 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>news:f4uhj2tujp8greapvg0n8qjcf48388mp5i@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:25:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:8nthj2p39skm2m97vn66j500dp48isqsmb@4ax.com...
>>>>> [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061020/ap_on_go_co/congress_leak_1[/url]
>>>>
>>>>That's a big yawn, Scott. Both parties on that committee have been
>>>>leaking
>>>>info since Eisenhower's time in office. I think it's specified as part
>>>>of
>>>>the job, to drive presidents and intelligence personnel crazy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then let's put them in jail.....
>>>
>>> Scott in Florida
>>>[/color]
>>
>>Not sure about that. Consider what was leaked this time. Why was it top
>>secret? Because it contained opinions which oppose those of the president?
>>From what I've seen, the stuff that's leaked to the press usually has the
>>potential to hurt reputations, rather than put operatives in physical
>>danger.
>>[/color]
>
> Anything that is leaked that is top secret should result in prison
> time.
>
> A couple of people go to jail and it will stop.
>
> I do agree that the classification of information can be suspect, but
> it can be taken care of from within.[/color]

Apparently, it *can't*, or it would be. There are top secret files from the
late 1940s that are only recently being dredged up, and many of them were
classified only to avoid political embarrassment. That's obscene.

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:pt1ij25hlvla81vt3vn2k1rtlt0f7u8b2e@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:20:46 GMT, "Art"
> <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:_t7_g.3544$ya1.383@news02.roc.ny...[color=darkred]
>>> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Fi7_g.12101$Y24.1485@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> The Iraqi militias are so stupid it is amazing the Bush cannot figure
>>>> out
>>>> a strategy to beat them. It is obvious that we cannot win without
>>>> another 100k or more troops. If the militias just laid low we would
>>>> leave and then they could take over. But instead, they cannot control
>>>> themselves and have to create chaos
>>>> [url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iraq.sadr/index.html[/url]
>>>> and hopefully that will force Bush to do the right thing and fix the
>>>> country he destroyed by sending more troops.
>>>
>>>
>>> I know we're not supposed to remember these things, but three years ago,
>>> president Cheney and vice president Rumsfeld said the Iraqi "security
>>> forces" would be ready to begin thinking about considering pondering the
>>> idea of writing compositions about finishing training and cutting bait,
>>> so
>>> they could take over more of the workload from our soldiers, in about
>>> 3-6
>>> months. Then, 6 months later and we heard "just a little longer". That
>>> old
>>> song returned twice this year so far.
>>>
>>> I think we could substitute "South Vietnamese" for "Iraqi" and be pretty
>>> much accurate.[/color]
>>
>>
>>Agreed but at least it is not a jungle. And we have more high tech
>>equipment than we used to. We have had 5 years to flood the Iraqi sky
>>with
>>armed drones to destroy the militas but Bush has just made one big mess.[/color]
>
> It is a big mess because it is a gorilla war. Not the kind of war you
> overcome with brute force....[/color]

That's "guerilla".

[color=blue]
> You dims should really go down and enlist. Seems you know so much
> about warfare....[/color]

Scott, it seems you're about to say "If we would fight to WIN this war, it
would be over by now". Am I guessing correctly?