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Old 10-24-2006, 07:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
Scott in Florida
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OT Required reading for everyone....especially Democrats

Read the following before you vote.



Subject: In regards to the war in Iraq

THE WAR


Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA . A different spin on Iraq
war.



Tuesday, July 12, 2005 To get out of a difficulty, one usually must
go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to
its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime
and mine (which includes WWII).

The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there
are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even
fewer who realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer as far as the United
State is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with
the following attacks on us:

* Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
* Beirut , Lebanon Embassy 1983;
* Beirut , Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
* Lockerbie , Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
* First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
* Dhahran , Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
* Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;
* Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
* Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;
* New York World Trade Center 2001;
* Pentagon 2001.

(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581
terrorist attacks worldwide).

2. Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks
happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan,
Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans
or Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents
or their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

3. Who were the attackers?
In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.

5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?
Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that
the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but
under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian),
that made no difference. You either went along with the
administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million
Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including
7,000 Polish priests). (see http://
[url]www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm[/url] )

Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis,
as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we
seldom heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities.
Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no
hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of exterminating
the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or any
others.

Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US ,
but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French
or anyone else.
The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no
protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful
Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the
terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing
-- by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I
don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice
was shut up or die?

6. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than
the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid
verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to
win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are
fighting.

So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1. Can we lose this war?

2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions
We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound,
the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not
fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war
means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about
our business, like post Vietnam . This is as far from the truth as
one can get.

What losing really means is:

We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks
will not subside, but rather will steadily increase.
Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted
us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of
attacks against us, over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly,
for terrorist to attack us, until we were neutered and submissive to
them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations, for
fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are
impotent and cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It
will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain
hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain
to withdraw its troops from Iraq . Spain did it because the Muslim
terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops.
Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France . Our one hope on France is that
they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are
finished too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists
without us. However, it may already be too late for France .
France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast!

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life
will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal
with us, if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop
the Muslims, how could anyone else?

The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are
completely committed to winning, at any cost. We better know it too
and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing?
Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and
really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is
going to take that 100% effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war?

Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding."
That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and
their purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the
war effort If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we
continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the
life and death seriousness of this situation.

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.
Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men
between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow
profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously?
This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some
of the civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be
prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will
most certainly lose all of them permanently.

And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of
civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the
victory and in fact added many more since then.

Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our
Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this
conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those
words apply to war. Get them out of your head.

Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see
us lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal.
It is because they just don't recognize what losing means.
Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we
are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does
great damage to our cause.

Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and
media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps
exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue,
involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small
group of our military police. These are the type prisoners who just
a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings,
cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues and otherwise
murdering their own people just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the
same type of enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans,
and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq .

And still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is
providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the
beheading of American prisoners they held.

Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several
days have thought and talked about nothing else but the
"humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not
dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading
them, but "humiliating" them.

Can this be for real?

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the
Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of
comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we
are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the
disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can.

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this
prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome
burned --
totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we,
nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again I
say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people
are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to
the magnitude, of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim
terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.

Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels!
That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United State
, but throughout the world.

We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That
charge is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we
believe that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the
hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that with both
hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!

We can't!

If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not
survive, and no other free country in the world will survive if we
are defeated.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that
allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion,
freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone,
equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive
in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this
war or we will be equated in the history books to the self-
inflicted fall of the Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders
will allow history books to be written or read.

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the
Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will
continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to
encroach little by little, on the established French traditions. The
French will be fighting among themselves, over what should or should
not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from
any united resolve.
Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
worldwide that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or
even to themselves, once they are in power.

They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they
then start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who
control the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically
correct, about the "peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the
election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the
critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country.
It is your future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to
preserve it.

After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves,
but our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world

Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that
include the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!



--

Scott in Florida

 
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Old 10-25-2006, 11:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:qtbtj2h1hal29lc8sdg1uh48fpsdcgqjdi@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Read the following before you vote.
>
>
>
> Subject: In regards to the war in Iraq
>
> THE WAR
>
>
> Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA . A different spin on Iraq
> war.
>[/color]

What's the attribution to this article, please? I know you didn't write
it, so who did?


 
Old 10-25-2006, 04:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: OT More blabbering from Scott in Florida


Scott in Florida wrote:
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> 2. Why were we attacked?
>
> Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms.[/color]

That is the stupidest, wimpiest cliche ever propagated.

The #1 reason they hate us: We support Israel
The #2 reason they hate us: We support Arab or Muslim dictators
The #3 reason they hate us: They think we're taking their oil.
[color=blue]
> 3. Who were the attackers?
> In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.[/color]

That's the stupid a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim theory. The attacks
of the 1950s-1970s were carried out almost exclusively by secular
Palestinian nationalists who didn't care about religion and who
imitated Menacham Begin (Israeli prime minister, earlier a terrorist)
in their tactics against Israel and its supporters. The secularists
and the Islamists hate each other but will ally themselves against a
common enemy, much the way the forces of Mao and Chung fought together
in WWII against the Japanese.
[color=blue]
> 6. So who are we at war with?
>
> There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than
> the Muslim terrorists.[/color]

That doesn't explain why we invaded Iraq, a secular country that was
not only free of terrorists but that was actually opposed to them, both
secular (a top PLO terrorist was arrested and executed in Baghdad) and
Islamist.

 
Old 10-25-2006, 05:06 PM   #4 (permalink)
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:23:04 -0700, "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>news:qtbtj2h1hal29lc8sdg1uh48fpsdcgqjdi@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> Read the following before you vote.
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: In regards to the war in Iraq
>>
>> THE WAR
>>
>>
>> Subject: Muslims, terrorist and the USA . A different spin on Iraq
>> war.
>>[/color]
>
>What's the attribution to this article, please? I know you didn't write
>it, so who did?
>[/color]
This essay was written by an attorney and began circulating back in
mid-2004 under the title "THE WORLD SITUATION — A LETTER TO MY SONS,"

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Old 10-26-2006, 10:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: OT More blabbering from Scott in Florida

"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1161811611.730057.256820@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> Scott in Florida wrote:
>[color=green]
>> 2. Why were we attacked?
>>
>> Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms.[/color]
>
> That is the stupidest, wimpiest cliche ever propagated.
>
> The #1 reason they hate us: We support Israel
> The #2 reason they hate us: We support Arab or Muslim dictators
> The #3 reason they hate us: They think we're taking their oil.
>[color=green]
>> 3. Who were the attackers?
>> In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.[/color]
>
> That's the stupid a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim theory. The attacks
> of the 1950s-1970s were carried out almost exclusively by secular
> Palestinian nationalists who didn't care about religion and who
> imitated Menacham Begin (Israeli prime minister, earlier a terrorist)
> in their tactics against Israel and its supporters. The secularists
> and the Islamists hate each other but will ally themselves against a
> common enemy, much the way the forces of Mao and Chung fought together
> in WWII against the Japanese.
>[color=green]
>> 6. So who are we at war with?
>>
>> There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than
>> the Muslim terrorists.[/color]
>
> That doesn't explain why we invaded Iraq, a secular country that was
> not only free of terrorists but that was actually opposed to them, both
> secular (a top PLO terrorist was arrested and executed in Baghdad) and
> Islamist.
>[/color]

If two morons (Bush and Ali Hoseini-Khamenei) will shut the fuck up long
enough, it will be seen that Iran is also secular, and that the majority of
its middle class has no interest in war with us, or anyone else.


 
Old 10-26-2006, 06:49 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: OT More blabbering from Scott in Florida

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:13:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>If two morons (Bush and Ali Hoseini-Khamenei[/color]

Bush is not a moron.


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Old 10-27-2006, 06:13 AM   #7 (permalink)
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"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:13:20 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>If two morons (Bush and Ali Hoseini-Khamenei[/color]
>
> Bush is not a moron.
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]


"Bring it on!"

Moron.


 
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