{OT} outlook express users

OE-Quotefix
[url]http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/[/url]

For your benefit I am posting a link to a fantastic program that
enhances the newsreading capabilities of Outlook Express. OE-Quotefix
cleans up messy quoting, strips signatures of messages you reply to,
colors different levels of replies for easier reading, provides an
option to bottom-post if you so desire, shows emoticons, corrects line
breaks, and other things.

The one thing it doesn't fix is OE's bug of stripping OT: from the
subject line if it is the first group of characters and replacing it
with Re: This is a well-known bug most users should be aware of as a
courtesy to other newsgroup users. However with a bit of practice OE
users can train themselves to watch the subject line when replying.

Please take the time to check out the site and consider using this
enhancement.

In article <xn0esyom85rrbkd003@news.readfreenews.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> OE-Quotefix
> [url]http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/[/url]
>
> For your benefit I am posting a link to a fantastic program that
> enhances the newsreading capabilities of Outlook Express. OE-Quotefix
> cleans up messy quoting, strips signatures of messages you reply to,
> colors different levels of replies for easier reading, provides an
> option to bottom-post if you so desire, shows emoticons, corrects line
> breaks, and other things.
>
> The one thing it doesn't fix is OE's bug of stripping OT: from the
> subject line if it is the first group of characters and replacing it
> with Re: This is a well-known bug most users should be aware of as a
> courtesy to other newsgroup users. However with a bit of practice OE
> users can train themselves to watch the subject line when replying.
>
> Please take the time to check out the site and consider using this
> enhancement.[/color]

Mt-Newswatcher works very well on the Mac platform.
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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0esyom85rrbkd003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> OE-Quotefix
> [url]http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/[/url]
>
> For your benefit I am posting a link to a fantastic program that
> enhances the newsreading capabilities of Outlook Express. OE-Quotefix
> cleans up messy quoting, strips signatures of messages you reply to,
> colors different levels of replies for easier reading, provides an
> option to bottom-post if you so desire, shows emoticons, corrects line
> breaks, and other things.
>
> The one thing it doesn't fix is OE's bug of stripping OT: from the
> subject line if it is the first group of characters and replacing it
> with Re: This is a well-known bug most users should be aware of as a
> courtesy to other newsgroup users. However with a bit of practice OE
> users can train themselves to watch the subject line when replying.
>
> Please take the time to check out the site and consider using this
> enhancement.[/color]

I don't know that I'd characterize it as a bug, per se. OE does
consistently ignore XX: patterns in the subject line so that:
re: Hi there
and
Hi there
sort together. The action to be taken with OT: or other subject line
prefixes is debatable. If it's:
OT: <subject>
and I'm replying to it,
RE: OT: <subject>
has some advantages, in that when the root post is purged, it's still
obviously OT and:
RE: <subject>
has other advantages - specifically in how the sorting is arranged after the
root post is purged.

And I particularly like the sort feature, so I'm willing to overlook OE's
other peculiarities a bit. My work e-mailer does not take RE: into account
when sorting by subject and it's a feature that's sorely missed.


Anyway, thanks for the link.



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DH, 10/27/2006, 9:38:38 AM,
<4541ff8d$0$4500$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0esyom85rrbkd003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
> > OE-Quotefix
> > [url]http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/[/url]
> >
> > For your benefit I am posting a link to a fantastic program that
> > enhances the newsreading capabilities of Outlook Express.
> > OE-Quotefix cleans up messy quoting, strips signatures of messages
> > you reply to, colors different levels of replies for easier
> > reading, provides an option to bottom-post if you so desire, shows
> > emoticons, corrects line breaks, and other things.
> >
> > The one thing it doesn't fix is OE's bug of stripping OT: from the
> > subject line if it is the first group of characters and replacing it
> > with Re: This is a well-known bug most users should be aware of as
> > a courtesy to other newsgroup users. However with a bit of
> > practice OE users can train themselves to watch the subject line
> > when replying.
> >
> > Please take the time to check out the site and consider using this
> > enhancement.[/color]
>
> I don't know that I'd characterize it as a bug, per se. OE does
> consistently ignore XX: patterns in the subject line so that: re:
> Hi there and
> Hi there
> sort together. The action to be taken with OT: or other subject line
> prefixes is debatable. If it's: OT: <subject>
> and I'm replying to it,
> RE: OT: <subject>
> has some advantages, in that when the root post is purged, it's still
> obviously OT and: RE: <subject>
> has other advantages - specifically in how the sorting is arranged
> after the root post is purged.
>
> And I particularly like the sort feature, so I'm willing to overlook
> OE's other peculiarities a bit. My work e-mailer does not take RE:
> into account when sorting by subject and it's a feature that's sorely
> missed.
>
>
> Anyway, thanks for the link.[/color]

Your sort feature will not be affected.

We have been over this before. Outlook Express will strip Re: or OT:
or anything before the : (colon) and replace it with a new Re: when
composing a reply to a message. This becomes a problem when an OE user
is the first replier in a branch to an OT: (OT colon) topic. It will
strip the OT: and replace it with a Re: which then makes the rest of
the branch do the same when replying to the OE user.

This bug is not exhibited when the OE user is NOT the first replier in
a branch to a topic beginning with OT: because other newsreaders will
still insert a Re: followed by the original OT:

OE will still strip the Re: and replace it with its own Re: although no
one notices the bug manifesting itself anymore.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0esyql95uh0do007@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> DH, 10/27/2006, 9:38:38 AM,
> <4541ff8d$0$4500$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0esyom85rrbkd003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=darkred]
>> > OE-Quotefix
>> > [url]http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/[/url]
>> >
>> > For your benefit I am posting a link to a fantastic program that
>> > enhances the newsreading capabilities of Outlook Express.
>> > OE-Quotefix cleans up messy quoting, strips signatures of messages
>> > you reply to, colors different levels of replies for easier
>> > reading, provides an option to bottom-post if you so desire, shows
>> > emoticons, corrects line breaks, and other things.
>> >
>> > The one thing it doesn't fix is OE's bug of stripping OT: from the
>> > subject line if it is the first group of characters and replacing it
>> > with Re: This is a well-known bug most users should be aware of as
>> > a courtesy to other newsgroup users. However with a bit of
>> > practice OE users can train themselves to watch the subject line
>> > when replying.
>> >
>> > Please take the time to check out the site and consider using this
>> > enhancement.[/color]
>>
>> I don't know that I'd characterize it as a bug, per se. OE does
>> consistently ignore XX: patterns in the subject line so that: re:
>> Hi there and
>> Hi there
>> sort together. The action to be taken with OT: or other subject line
>> prefixes is debatable. If it's: OT: <subject>
>> and I'm replying to it,
>> RE: OT: <subject>
>> has some advantages, in that when the root post is purged, it's still
>> obviously OT and: RE: <subject>
>> has other advantages - specifically in how the sorting is arranged
>> after the root post is purged.
>>
>> And I particularly like the sort feature, so I'm willing to overlook
>> OE's other peculiarities a bit. My work e-mailer does not take RE:
>> into account when sorting by subject and it's a feature that's sorely
>> missed.
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for the link.[/color]
>
> Your sort feature will not be affected.[/color]


That will depend on what the rules are for the sort. I personally like the
current OE behavior, in which the first two (maybe it's more) characters
before a colon (appearing by position 3?) are ignored and the sort begins on
the first non-whitespace character following the colon. If you strip off
the OT: and replace it with RE:...

OT: 1
2
3

remains:

RE: 1
RE: 2
RE: 3

after replies are applied. If you keep the OT: after the RE: is inserted,
would you then get:

RE: 2
RE: 3
RE: OT: 1

? That wouldn't be my preference.

I'm not going to say I'm an expert on this but I have sometimes written
software that involved sorting based on functions or rules applied to text
strings, so I'm not just babbling mindlessly, I have given this "sort" of
thing some thought. ;-)
[color=blue]
> We have been over this before.[/color]

We (you and I) haven't discussed it before, although you did point out the
behavior to me.
[color=blue]
> Outlook Express will strip Re: or OT:
> or anything before the : (colon) and replace it with a new Re: when
> composing a reply to a message. This becomes a problem when an OE user
> is the first replier in a branch to an OT: (OT colon) topic. It will
> strip the OT: and replace it with a Re: which then makes the rest of
> the branch do the same when replying to the OE user.
>[/color]

Now, I can see where this would be inconvenient if two people reply to the
same base post, as the reply subject strings will diverge.
[color=blue]
> This bug is not exhibited when the OE user is NOT the first replier in
> a branch to a topic beginning with OT: because other newsreaders will
> still insert a Re: followed by the original OT:
>
> OE will still strip the Re: and replace it with its own Re: although no
> one notices the bug manifesting itself anymore.[/color]

Is the behavior defined as part of an accepted standard for newsgroups? If
not, we're discussing a preference and "bug" is not an applicable term.

I used to work for a company that sold sofware and hardware commercially.
We received a bug report. The project leader closed it promptly, saying the
observed behavior wasn't a "bug," it was a "feature." The customer promptly
reopened the bug report, saying, yes, it IS a "bug."

The project leader called the customer directly and negotiated a deal. The
customer would give up complaining about a "bug," we would not claim the
behavior was a "feature;" we agreed it was an "aspect" of the software.



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DH, 10/27/2006, 10:32:48 AM,
<45420c6a$0$19665$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Is the behavior defined as part of an accepted standard for
> newsgroups? If not, we're discussing a preference and "bug" is not
> an applicable term.[/color]

It is a bug that will not be fixed. Maybe it has been taken care of in
whatever Vista uses for a newsreader.
[color=blue]
> I used to work for a company that sold sofware and hardware
> commercially. We received a bug report. The project leader closed it
> promptly, saying the observed behavior wasn't a "bug," it was a
> "feature." The customer promptly reopened the bug report, saying,
> yes, it IS a "bug."
>
> The project leader called the customer directly and negotiated a
> deal. The customer would give up complaining about a "bug," we would
> not claim the behavior was a "feature;" we agreed it was an "aspect"
> of the software.[/color]

This sounds like politics.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0esyom85rrbkd003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> OE-Quotefix
> [url]http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/[/url]
>
> For your benefit I am posting a link to a fantastic program that
> enhances the newsreading capabilities of Outlook Express. OE-Quotefix
> cleans up messy quoting, strips signatures of messages you reply to,
> colors different levels of replies for easier reading, provides an
> option to bottom-post if you so desire, shows emoticons, corrects line
> breaks, and other things.
>
> The one thing it doesn't fix is OE's bug of stripping OT: from the
> subject line if it is the first group of characters and replacing it
> with Re: This is a well-known bug most users should be aware of as a
> courtesy to other newsgroup users. However with a bit of practice OE
> users can train themselves to watch the subject line when replying.
>
> Please take the time to check out the site and consider using this
> enhancement.[/color]

Thanks BGM

Natalie

I use OE, and I wasn't aware of the bug that you cited. I'm not saying it
isn't there, but I wasn't aware of it.

Let's see what happens.

It is entirely possible that my test will not give reliable results because
it is itself a reply.




"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0esyom85rrbkd003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> OE-Quotefix
> [url]http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/[/url]
>
> For your benefit I am posting a link to a fantastic program that
> enhances the newsreading capabilities of Outlook Express. OE-Quotefix
> cleans up messy quoting, strips signatures of messages you reply to,
> colors different levels of replies for easier reading, provides an
> option to bottom-post if you so desire, shows emoticons, corrects line
> breaks, and other things.
>
> The one thing it doesn't fix is OE's bug of stripping OT: from the
> subject line if it is the first group of characters and replacing it
> with Re: This is a well-known bug most users should be aware of as a
> courtesy to other newsgroup users. However with a bit of practice OE
> users can train themselves to watch the subject line when replying.
>
> Please take the time to check out the site and consider using this
> enhancement.[/color]

My reader did not strip OT.

Maybe I do not understand the "bug."



"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:I8adnVxhML6nHN7YnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@ez2.net...[color=blue]
>I use OE, and I wasn't aware of the bug that you cited. I'm not saying it
>isn't there, but I wasn't aware of it.
>
> Let's see what happens.
>
> It is entirely possible that my test will not give reliable results
> because it is itself a reply.
>
>
>
>
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0esyom85rrbkd003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
>> OE-Quotefix
>> [url]http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/[/url]
>>
>> For your benefit I am posting a link to a fantastic program that
>> enhances the newsreading capabilities of Outlook Express. OE-Quotefix
>> cleans up messy quoting, strips signatures of messages you reply to,
>> colors different levels of replies for easier reading, provides an
>> option to bottom-post if you so desire, shows emoticons, corrects line
>> breaks, and other things.
>>
>> The one thing it doesn't fix is OE's bug of stripping OT: from the
>> subject line if it is the first group of characters and replacing it
>> with Re: This is a well-known bug most users should be aware of as a
>> courtesy to other newsgroup users. However with a bit of practice OE
>> users can train themselves to watch the subject line when replying.
>>
>> Please take the time to check out the site and consider using this
>> enhancement.[/color]
>[/color]

I was looking down the list, and I notice that Scott posted several articles
that start off with OT blah blah blah. (not dissing Scott and his blah blah
blah). I always sort by date and time because I like to follow discussions
in order. My limited experience is that ONLY the first post in any thread is
sorted by the Subject anyway, and subsequent Reply's ate sorted by date and
time so the thread remains linear.



"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:I8adnVxhML6nHN7YnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@ez2.net...[color=blue]
>I use OE, and I wasn't aware of the bug that you cited. I'm not saying it
>isn't there, but I wasn't aware of it.
>
> Let's see what happens.
>
> It is entirely possible that my test will not give reliable results
> because it is itself a reply.
>
>
>
>
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0esyom85rrbkd003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
>> OE-Quotefix
>> [url]http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/[/url]
>>
>> For your benefit I am posting a link to a fantastic program that
>> enhances the newsreading capabilities of Outlook Express. OE-Quotefix
>> cleans up messy quoting, strips signatures of messages you reply to,
>> colors different levels of replies for easier reading, provides an
>> option to bottom-post if you so desire, shows emoticons, corrects line
>> breaks, and other things.
>>
>> The one thing it doesn't fix is OE's bug of stripping OT: from the
>> subject line if it is the first group of characters and replacing it
>> with Re: This is a well-known bug most users should be aware of as a
>> courtesy to other newsgroup users. However with a bit of practice OE
>> users can train themselves to watch the subject line when replying.
>>
>> Please take the time to check out the site and consider using this
>> enhancement.[/color]
>[/color]

Jeff Strickland, 10/28/2006,12:12:55 PM, wrote:
[color=blue]
> My reader did not strip OT.
>
> Maybe I do not understand the "bug."[/color]

It is OT: The colon is the root of the problem. And this is only true
if you are the first replier to the OT: branch. If you reply to a Re:
OT: it won't affect the OT: because MSOE is only stripping the Re: and
replacing it with another Re:

Hopefully that will make more sense. That is why I have advocated
using {OT} or [OT] or OT- or anything other than OT: by original
posters.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0et0ai62hmu9000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> Jeff Strickland, 10/28/2006,12:12:55 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
>> My reader did not strip OT.
>>
>> Maybe I do not understand the "bug."[/color]
>
> It is OT: The colon is the root of the problem. And this is only true
> if you are the first replier to the OT: branch. If you reply to a Re:
> OT: it won't affect the OT: because MSOE is only stripping the Re: and
> replacing it with another Re:
>
> Hopefully that will make more sense. That is why I have advocated
> using {OT} or [OT] or OT- or anything other than OT: by original
> posters.[/color]

Got it. I just use OT if I am going to post off topic stuff. It never
occurred to me to use a colon, however I have used a dash or two before.