22R Engine Issues

Hello all,

I'm new to a lot of the technical field of motors. I have a 89 Toyota
Pickup with a 22R carb engine in it. It currently has 182k miles on it
and well isn't running too hot. My issue with it is that it has been
consuming oil with no sign of leaking from oil pan or any other places.
I also seem to be getting crappy fuel economy and well I also seem to
be getting fuel smell from engine area. I believe that I may be
running rich which is causing these problems, but I don't know how to
adjust my mixture to get things back in line. Any help on this would
be greatful. By the way, I will need more detailed explanations since
I'm not an ethusiast so my understand is kinda lax in this area, but I
really want to learn so any help would be appreciated.

<Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162261159.420962.8050@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Hello all,
>
> I'm new to a lot of the technical field of motors. I have a 89 Toyota
> Pickup with a 22R carb engine in it. It currently has 182k miles on it
> and well isn't running too hot. My issue with it is that it has been
> consuming oil with no sign of leaking from oil pan or any other places.
> I also seem to be getting crappy fuel economy and well I also seem to
> be getting fuel smell from engine area. I believe that I may be
> running rich which is causing these problems, but I don't know how to
> adjust my mixture to get things back in line. Any help on this would
> be greatful. By the way, I will need more detailed explanations since
> I'm not an ethusiast so my understand is kinda lax in this area, but I
> really want to learn so any help would be appreciated.
>[/color]

If you want to attempt repairs or adjustments yourself, I recommend that you
invest in a Chilton, Haynes, or factory repair manual. The factory manual
will be the most detailed but it will also be the most expensive. The
Chilton or Haynes manual should have sufficient information for most
do-it-yourself tasks.

Regarding the oil loss, are you getting blue-gray puffs of smoke from the
exhaust pipe? Check the spark plugs to see if they have an oily film on
them. Check the coolant for signs of oil mixed in, and check the oil for a
milky appearance. Also smell the oil on the dipstick to see if you smell
gas mixed with the oil. If all of that stuff is OK, then start looking for
an oil leak. Check the oil pressure sender, the front seal behind the lower
pulley, and the inside of the distributor cap for signs of oil leaks.

I would identify the source of the fuel smell in the engine area ASAP
because of the risk of fire. Follow the lines back from the carburetor to
make sure that there are no fuel line leaks. Look for a glass window about
the size of a nickel on the side of the carburetor. There will be 2 tabs
about halfway up in the metal piece that holds the window, and you should
see fuel about even with the tabs. If the fuel is not even with the tabs,
then you may have an internal leak or a problem with the float. The float
is a plastic piece in the bowl that works like the float in a toilet tank.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Hello Ray,

I checked the stuff you said for the fuel issue, but I was unable to
find the glass piece you suggested. Also I no longer smell gas in the
engine compartment. I guess I over pumped the gas and filled the carb
with gas so hence the smell. However, my exhaust puts out no color
smoke but it smells terrible like gaseous. I also smelled the dipstick
for the gas smell and believe i did but since my car was running
shortly before and i park under a car port I can't tell if it was from
exhaust or truely the dipstick. I was unable to check the spark plugs
due to the lack of a deep socket 3/8ths. I looked at the lines going
from the carb pan to the gas tank and saw no leaks and it looks very
dry. I also looked at the lower pully in the front of the engine (i.e.
the Fan pulley) and saw oil residue on the bottom but when i filled it
up with oil the last time the oil clung to the bottle and went all over
the front side of the engine. I cleaned this up the best i could but
the residue is still there. When you spoke about the distributor cap
did you mean the spark plug distributor cause I didn't look at this
yet. And I also didn't see anything such as a floater in the carb, but
then again i wasn't too sure as to what i was looking at. Anyway I put
it all back to gether and if fired up and didn't explode so thats kinda
good on my part, but i'm sure i didn't fix my problem. If you wouldn't
mind providing a link of a manual i should get i would appreciate it.
There are so many manuals and i'm so new to this that I'm unsure of
which one to choose. Thanks again for your help.
Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
> <Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162261159.420962.8050@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm new to a lot of the technical field of motors. I have a 89 Toyota
> > Pickup with a 22R carb engine in it. It currently has 182k miles on it
> > and well isn't running too hot. My issue with it is that it has been
> > consuming oil with no sign of leaking from oil pan or any other places.
> > I also seem to be getting crappy fuel economy and well I also seem to
> > be getting fuel smell from engine area. I believe that I may be
> > running rich which is causing these problems, but I don't know how to
> > adjust my mixture to get things back in line. Any help on this would
> > be greatful. By the way, I will need more detailed explanations since
> > I'm not an ethusiast so my understand is kinda lax in this area, but I
> > really want to learn so any help would be appreciated.
> >[/color]
>
> If you want to attempt repairs or adjustments yourself, I recommend that you
> invest in a Chilton, Haynes, or factory repair manual. The factory manual
> will be the most detailed but it will also be the most expensive. The
> Chilton or Haynes manual should have sufficient information for most
> do-it-yourself tasks.
>
> Regarding the oil loss, are you getting blue-gray puffs of smoke from the
> exhaust pipe? Check the spark plugs to see if they have an oily film on
> them. Check the coolant for signs of oil mixed in, and check the oil for a
> milky appearance. Also smell the oil on the dipstick to see if you smell
> gas mixed with the oil. If all of that stuff is OK, then start looking for
> an oil leak. Check the oil pressure sender, the front seal behind the lower
> pulley, and the inside of the distributor cap for signs of oil leaks.
>
> I would identify the source of the fuel smell in the engine area ASAP
> because of the risk of fire. Follow the lines back from the carburetor to
> make sure that there are no fuel line leaks. Look for a glass window about
> the size of a nickel on the side of the carburetor. There will be 2 tabs
> about halfway up in the metal piece that holds the window, and you should
> see fuel about even with the tabs. If the fuel is not even with the tabs,
> then you may have an internal leak or a problem with the float. The float
> is a plastic piece in the bowl that works like the float in a toilet tank.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]

<Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162339341.401878.46710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Hello Ray,
>
> I checked the stuff you said for the fuel issue, but I was unable to
> find the glass piece you suggested. Also I no longer smell gas in the
> engine compartment. I guess I over pumped the gas and filled the carb
> with gas so hence the smell.[/color]

If you no longer smell gas, then why did you ask?

However, my exhaust puts out no color[color=blue]
> smoke but it smells terrible like gaseous. I also smelled the dipstick
> for the gas smell and believe i did but since my car was running
> shortly before and i park under a car port I can't tell if it was from
> exhaust or truely the dipstick.[/color]

Check the dipstick when the vehicle has been parked for a while.

I was unable to check the spark plugs[color=blue]
> due to the lack of a deep socket 3/8ths.[/color]

I looked at the lines going[color=blue]
> from the carb pan to the gas tank and saw no leaks and it looks very
> dry.[/color]

If you are not smelling raw gas, then don't bother spending a lot of time
looking for gas leaks.

I also looked at the lower pully in the front of the engine (i.e.[color=blue]
> the Fan pulley) and saw oil residue on the bottom but when i filled it
> up with oil the last time the oil clung to the bottle and went all over
> the front side of the engine. I cleaned this up the best i could but
> the residue is still there.[/color]

One of the reasons you should wipe up spills is that you can identify leaks
later.

When you spoke about the distributor cap[color=blue]
> did you mean the spark plug distributor cause I didn't look at this
> yet.[/color]

When I spoke about the distributor cap, I meant the distributor cap. There
is no such thing as a spark plug distributor in your engine.

And I also didn't see anything such as a floater in the carb, but[color=blue]
> then again i wasn't too sure as to what i was looking at.[/color]

I did not suggest that you look check the carburetor float because I knew
that you would not be able to see it. I did suggest that you look for the
sight glass on the side of the carburetor because you should be able to see
that.

Anyway I put[color=blue]
> it all back to gether and if fired up and didn't explode so thats kinda
> good on my part, but i'm sure i didn't fix my problem.[/color]

What did you take apart?

If you wouldn't[color=blue]
> mind providing a link of a manual i should get i would appreciate it.
> There are so many manuals and i'm so new to this that I'm unsure of
> which one to choose. Thanks again for your help.[/color]

I am not aware of any sources of on-line manuals for your engine, so, as I
recommended beforem, you may have to spend some money and invest in a
Chilton or Haynes manual.

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Hello Ray,

All that I took off was the carb pan. The gaseous smell that I smell
is coming from exhaust, kinda hard to explain in the since that no
colored smoke comes out but the smell just isn't as usual even though i
don't go sniffing exhaust anyway. And yeah I guess I came off sounding
bad about the distributor cap. I assumed that you were speaking of the
object that distributes the electricity to the spark plugs. Being that
I wasn't sure if there was a "distributor cap" somewhere in the carb, I
didn't want to assume so I wanted to ask. My carb which you probably
know is mounted on the side of the engine. The only thing that I "took
apart" is the carburator pan to get a better look for this glass plate
you spoke of. I am not sure if I truely found it but it was facing
towards the front of the engine with a phillips screw on each side, 2
in total. I didn't remove this for fear of messing something up since
I'm only starting to learn auto maintence. The plate was cloudy and
couldn't see through if I was suppose to. I guess the main factor that
leads me to asking so many questions about the carb is the fact that I
have a tough time starting. Battery and alternator are fine, I've ran
diode patterns and such. Starter kicks over fine, but it still takes a
few cranks to get it going. That there leads me to think it has to do
with the carb some way, I may be wrong. I apologize for coming off
un-knowlegdable in this, but I'm trying to learn it and I've
appreciated all your advice. Thanks again.
Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
> <Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162339341.401878.46710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> > Hello Ray,
> >
> > I checked the stuff you said for the fuel issue, but I was unable to
> > find the glass piece you suggested. Also I no longer smell gas in the
> > engine compartment. I guess I over pumped the gas and filled the carb
> > with gas so hence the smell.[/color]
>
> If you no longer smell gas, then why did you ask?
>
> However, my exhaust puts out no color[color=green]
> > smoke but it smells terrible like gaseous. I also smelled the dipstick
> > for the gas smell and believe i did but since my car was running
> > shortly before and i park under a car port I can't tell if it was from
> > exhaust or truely the dipstick.[/color]
>
> Check the dipstick when the vehicle has been parked for a while.
>
> I was unable to check the spark plugs[color=green]
> > due to the lack of a deep socket 3/8ths.[/color]
>
> I looked at the lines going[color=green]
> > from the carb pan to the gas tank and saw no leaks and it looks very
> > dry.[/color]
>
> If you are not smelling raw gas, then don't bother spending a lot of time
> looking for gas leaks.
>
> I also looked at the lower pully in the front of the engine (i.e.[color=green]
> > the Fan pulley) and saw oil residue on the bottom but when i filled it
> > up with oil the last time the oil clung to the bottle and went all over
> > the front side of the engine. I cleaned this up the best i could but
> > the residue is still there.[/color]
>
> One of the reasons you should wipe up spills is that you can identify leaks
> later.
>
> When you spoke about the distributor cap[color=green]
> > did you mean the spark plug distributor cause I didn't look at this
> > yet.[/color]
>
> When I spoke about the distributor cap, I meant the distributor cap. There
> is no such thing as a spark plug distributor in your engine.
>
> And I also didn't see anything such as a floater in the carb, but[color=green]
> > then again i wasn't too sure as to what i was looking at.[/color]
>
> I did not suggest that you look check the carburetor float because I knew
> that you would not be able to see it. I did suggest that you look for the
> sight glass on the side of the carburetor because you should be able to see
> that.
>
> Anyway I put[color=green]
> > it all back to gether and if fired up and didn't explode so thats kinda
> > good on my part, but i'm sure i didn't fix my problem.[/color]
>
> What did you take apart?
>
> If you wouldn't[color=green]
> > mind providing a link of a manual i should get i would appreciate it.
> > There are so many manuals and i'm so new to this that I'm unsure of
> > which one to choose. Thanks again for your help.[/color]
>
> I am not aware of any sources of on-line manuals for your engine, so, as I
> recommended beforem, you may have to spend some money and invest in a
> Chilton or Haynes manual.
>
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]

<Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162359195.710503.88020@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Hello Ray,
>
> All that I took off was the carb pan. The gaseous smell that I smell
> is coming from exhaust, kinda hard to explain in the since that no
> colored smoke comes out but the smell just isn't as usual even though i
> don't go sniffing exhaust anyway. And yeah I guess I came off sounding
> bad about the distributor cap. I assumed that you were speaking of the
> object that distributes the electricity to the spark plugs. Being that
> I wasn't sure if there was a "distributor cap" somewhere in the carb, I
> didn't want to assume so I wanted to ask.[/color]

The distributor sends electricity from the ignition coil to the spark plugs.
through the distributor cap.\

No problem asking questions, that is how you learn.

My carb which you probably[color=blue]
> know is mounted on the side of the engine. The only thing that I "took
> apart" is the carburator pan to get a better look for this glass plate
> you spoke of. I am not sure if I truely found it but it was facing
> towards the front of the engine with a phillips screw on each side, 2
> in total. I didn't remove this for fear of messing something up since
> I'm only starting to learn auto maintence. The plate was cloudy and
> couldn't see through if I was suppose to.[/color]

I am not familiar with side-mounted carburetors on the 22R engine. If the
sight glass is so cloudy that you cannot see through it, then there is a
pretty good chance that the carburetor needs cleaning. Some carburetor/fuel
injector cleaner that you add to the fuel tank may help clean the carb out a
little.

I guess the main factor that[color=blue]
> leads me to asking so many questions about the carb is the fact that I
> have a tough time starting. Battery and alternator are fine, I've ran
> diode patterns and such. Starter kicks over fine, but it still takes a
> few cranks to get it going. That there leads me to think it has to do
> with the carb some way, I may be wrong. I apologize for coming off
> un-knowlegdable in this, but I'm trying to learn it and I've
> appreciated all your advice. Thanks again.[/color]

If a carbureted engine is difficult to start, then I would check to make
sure that the choke is setting properly when starting the engine after it
has sat for several hours.

Remove the air filter housing, what I think you are calling the carb pan, so
that you can see down into the carburetor. There is a flat plate that
pivots in the middle that controls how much air gets into the carb. When
the engine is cold, depress the throttle pedal all the way to the floor once
and then release the pedal. If you look into the carb, the plate should be
in the closed or choked position. This lets more fuel into the engine
relative to the amount of air to aid in starting. If the plate is open,
then the choke is not setting and you have to figure out why.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
[color=blue]
> Ray O wrote:[color=green]
>> <Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1162339341.401878.46710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>> > Hello Ray,
>> >
>> > I checked the stuff you said for the fuel issue, but I was unable to
>> > find the glass piece you suggested. Also I no longer smell gas in the
>> > engine compartment. I guess I over pumped the gas and filled the carb
>> > with gas so hence the smell.[/color]
>>
>> If you no longer smell gas, then why did you ask?
>>
>> However, my exhaust puts out no color[color=darkred]
>> > smoke but it smells terrible like gaseous. I also smelled the dipstick
>> > for the gas smell and believe i did but since my car was running
>> > shortly before and i park under a car port I can't tell if it was from
>> > exhaust or truely the dipstick.[/color]
>>
>> Check the dipstick when the vehicle has been parked for a while.
>>
>> I was unable to check the spark plugs[color=darkred]
>> > due to the lack of a deep socket 3/8ths.[/color]
>>
>> I looked at the lines going[color=darkred]
>> > from the carb pan to the gas tank and saw no leaks and it looks very
>> > dry.[/color]
>>
>> If you are not smelling raw gas, then don't bother spending a lot of time
>> looking for gas leaks.
>>
>> I also looked at the lower pully in the front of the engine (i.e.[color=darkred]
>> > the Fan pulley) and saw oil residue on the bottom but when i filled it
>> > up with oil the last time the oil clung to the bottle and went all over
>> > the front side of the engine. I cleaned this up the best i could but
>> > the residue is still there.[/color]
>>
>> One of the reasons you should wipe up spills is that you can identify
>> leaks
>> later.
>>
>> When you spoke about the distributor cap[color=darkred]
>> > did you mean the spark plug distributor cause I didn't look at this
>> > yet.[/color]
>>
>> When I spoke about the distributor cap, I meant the distributor cap.
>> There
>> is no such thing as a spark plug distributor in your engine.
>>
>> And I also didn't see anything such as a floater in the carb, but[color=darkred]
>> > then again i wasn't too sure as to what i was looking at.[/color]
>>
>> I did not suggest that you look check the carburetor float because I knew
>> that you would not be able to see it. I did suggest that you look for
>> the
>> sight glass on the side of the carburetor because you should be able to
>> see
>> that.
>>
>> Anyway I put[color=darkred]
>> > it all back to gether and if fired up and didn't explode so thats kinda
>> > good on my part, but i'm sure i didn't fix my problem.[/color]
>>
>> What did you take apart?
>>
>> If you wouldn't[color=darkred]
>> > mind providing a link of a manual i should get i would appreciate it.
>> > There are so many manuals and i'm so new to this that I'm unsure of
>> > which one to choose. Thanks again for your help.[/color]
>>
>> I am not aware of any sources of on-line manuals for your engine, so, as
>> I
>> recommended beforem, you may have to spend some money and invest in a
>> Chilton or Haynes manual.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]
>[/color]

Thanks Ray,

I will surely check this out, but one thing is my carb has 2 metal
plates, if your looking from front of engine there is one on the left
and one on the right and the right one has what looks like a metal tube
that comes out above it a little. I will try the carb cleaning
solution and see if that helps clean it up. Thanks for all the help.
I hate to go back to other issues, but could carb if sending or not
sending in enough fuel cause oil to burn or would that have something
to do with a head gasket if I'm unable to find a leak, which i'll check
the ignition coil first. Since I haven't replaced the spark plugs
since owning the vehicle, I do believe that new ones would aid in
better starting so I'm going to look into finding new spark plugs for
it. Thanks again for all your help and being patient with me.
Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
> <Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162359195.710503.88020@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> > Hello Ray,
> >
> > All that I took off was the carb pan. The gaseous smell that I smell
> > is coming from exhaust, kinda hard to explain in the since that no
> > colored smoke comes out but the smell just isn't as usual even though i
> > don't go sniffing exhaust anyway. And yeah I guess I came off sounding
> > bad about the distributor cap. I assumed that you were speaking of the
> > object that distributes the electricity to the spark plugs. Being that
> > I wasn't sure if there was a "distributor cap" somewhere in the carb, I
> > didn't want to assume so I wanted to ask.[/color]
>
> The distributor sends electricity from the ignition coil to the spark plugs.
> through the distributor cap.\
>
> No problem asking questions, that is how you learn.
>
> My carb which you probably[color=green]
> > know is mounted on the side of the engine. The only thing that I "took
> > apart" is the carburator pan to get a better look for this glass plate
> > you spoke of. I am not sure if I truely found it but it was facing
> > towards the front of the engine with a phillips screw on each side, 2
> > in total. I didn't remove this for fear of messing something up since
> > I'm only starting to learn auto maintence. The plate was cloudy and
> > couldn't see through if I was suppose to.[/color]
>
> I am not familiar with side-mounted carburetors on the 22R engine. If the
> sight glass is so cloudy that you cannot see through it, then there is a
> pretty good chance that the carburetor needs cleaning. Some carburetor/fuel
> injector cleaner that you add to the fuel tank may help clean the carb out a
> little.
>
> I guess the main factor that[color=green]
> > leads me to asking so many questions about the carb is the fact that I
> > have a tough time starting. Battery and alternator are fine, I've ran
> > diode patterns and such. Starter kicks over fine, but it still takes a
> > few cranks to get it going. That there leads me to think it has to do
> > with the carb some way, I may be wrong. I apologize for coming off
> > un-knowlegdable in this, but I'm trying to learn it and I've
> > appreciated all your advice. Thanks again.[/color]
>
> If a carbureted engine is difficult to start, then I would check to make
> sure that the choke is setting properly when starting the engine after it
> has sat for several hours.
>
> Remove the air filter housing, what I think you are calling the carb pan, so
> that you can see down into the carburetor. There is a flat plate that
> pivots in the middle that controls how much air gets into the carb. When
> the engine is cold, depress the throttle pedal all the way to the floor once
> and then release the pedal. If you look into the carb, the plate should be
> in the closed or choked position. This lets more fuel into the engine
> relative to the amount of air to aid in starting. If the plate is open,
> then the choke is not setting and you have to figure out why.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>[color=green]
> > Ray O wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> <Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1162339341.401878.46710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Hello Ray,
> >> >
> >> > I checked the stuff you said for the fuel issue, but I was unable to
> >> > find the glass piece you suggested. Also I no longer smell gas in the
> >> > engine compartment. I guess I over pumped the gas and filled the carb
> >> > with gas so hence the smell.
> >>
> >> If you no longer smell gas, then why did you ask?
> >>
> >> However, my exhaust puts out no color
> >> > smoke but it smells terrible like gaseous. I also smelled the dipstick
> >> > for the gas smell and believe i did but since my car was running
> >> > shortly before and i park under a car port I can't tell if it was from
> >> > exhaust or truely the dipstick.
> >>
> >> Check the dipstick when the vehicle has been parked for a while.
> >>
> >> I was unable to check the spark plugs
> >> > due to the lack of a deep socket 3/8ths.
> >>
> >> I looked at the lines going
> >> > from the carb pan to the gas tank and saw no leaks and it looks very
> >> > dry.
> >>
> >> If you are not smelling raw gas, then don't bother spending a lot of time
> >> looking for gas leaks.
> >>
> >> I also looked at the lower pully in the front of the engine (i.e.
> >> > the Fan pulley) and saw oil residue on the bottom but when i filled it
> >> > up with oil the last time the oil clung to the bottle and went all over
> >> > the front side of the engine. I cleaned this up the best i could but
> >> > the residue is still there.
> >>
> >> One of the reasons you should wipe up spills is that you can identify
> >> leaks
> >> later.
> >>
> >> When you spoke about the distributor cap
> >> > did you mean the spark plug distributor cause I didn't look at this
> >> > yet.
> >>
> >> When I spoke about the distributor cap, I meant the distributor cap.
> >> There
> >> is no such thing as a spark plug distributor in your engine.
> >>
> >> And I also didn't see anything such as a floater in the carb, but
> >> > then again i wasn't too sure as to what i was looking at.
> >>
> >> I did not suggest that you look check the carburetor float because I knew
> >> that you would not be able to see it. I did suggest that you look for
> >> the
> >> sight glass on the side of the carburetor because you should be able to
> >> see
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Anyway I put
> >> > it all back to gether and if fired up and didn't explode so thats kinda
> >> > good on my part, but i'm sure i didn't fix my problem.
> >>
> >> What did you take apart?
> >>
> >> If you wouldn't
> >> > mind providing a link of a manual i should get i would appreciate it.
> >> > There are so many manuals and i'm so new to this that I'm unsure of
> >> > which one to choose. Thanks again for your help.
> >>
> >> I am not aware of any sources of on-line manuals for your engine, so, as
> >> I
> >> recommended beforem, you may have to spend some money and invest in a
> >> Chilton or Haynes manual.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Ray O
> >> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]
> >[/color][/color]

<Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162396124.120346.111640@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Thanks Ray,
>
> I will surely check this out, but one thing is my carb has 2 metal
> plates, if your looking from front of engine there is one on the left
> and one on the right and the right one has what looks like a metal tube
> that comes out above it a little. I will try the carb cleaning
> solution and see if that helps clean it up. Thanks for all the help.
> I hate to go back to other issues, but could carb if sending or not
> sending in enough fuel cause oil to burn or would that have something
> to do with a head gasket if I'm unable to find a leak, which i'll check
> the ignition coil first. Since I haven't replaced the spark plugs
> since owning the vehicle, I do believe that new ones would aid in
> better starting so I'm going to look into finding new spark plugs for
> it. Thanks again for all your help and being patient with me.[/color]

Several things can cause hard starting. If the automatic choke does not
set, then the engine will not get enough fuel to start, or if there is a
problem with the bowl, or the ignition system does not work well, you will
have difficult starting.

Good luck!

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)[color=blue]
> Ray O wrote:[color=green]
>> <Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1162359195.710503.88020@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>> > Hello Ray,
>> >
>> > All that I took off was the carb pan. The gaseous smell that I smell
>> > is coming from exhaust, kinda hard to explain in the since that no
>> > colored smoke comes out but the smell just isn't as usual even though i
>> > don't go sniffing exhaust anyway. And yeah I guess I came off sounding
>> > bad about the distributor cap. I assumed that you were speaking of the
>> > object that distributes the electricity to the spark plugs. Being that
>> > I wasn't sure if there was a "distributor cap" somewhere in the carb, I
>> > didn't want to assume so I wanted to ask.[/color]
>>
>> The distributor sends electricity from the ignition coil to the spark
>> plugs.
>> through the distributor cap.\
>>
>> No problem asking questions, that is how you learn.
>>
>> My carb which you probably[color=darkred]
>> > know is mounted on the side of the engine. The only thing that I "took
>> > apart" is the carburator pan to get a better look for this glass plate
>> > you spoke of. I am not sure if I truely found it but it was facing
>> > towards the front of the engine with a phillips screw on each side, 2
>> > in total. I didn't remove this for fear of messing something up since
>> > I'm only starting to learn auto maintence. The plate was cloudy and
>> > couldn't see through if I was suppose to.[/color]
>>
>> I am not familiar with side-mounted carburetors on the 22R engine. If
>> the
>> sight glass is so cloudy that you cannot see through it, then there is a
>> pretty good chance that the carburetor needs cleaning. Some
>> carburetor/fuel
>> injector cleaner that you add to the fuel tank may help clean the carb
>> out a
>> little.
>>
>> I guess the main factor that[color=darkred]
>> > leads me to asking so many questions about the carb is the fact that I
>> > have a tough time starting. Battery and alternator are fine, I've ran
>> > diode patterns and such. Starter kicks over fine, but it still takes a
>> > few cranks to get it going. That there leads me to think it has to do
>> > with the carb some way, I may be wrong. I apologize for coming off
>> > un-knowlegdable in this, but I'm trying to learn it and I've
>> > appreciated all your advice. Thanks again.[/color]
>>
>> If a carbureted engine is difficult to start, then I would check to make
>> sure that the choke is setting properly when starting the engine after it
>> has sat for several hours.
>>
>> Remove the air filter housing, what I think you are calling the carb pan,
>> so
>> that you can see down into the carburetor. There is a flat plate that
>> pivots in the middle that controls how much air gets into the carb. When
>> the engine is cold, depress the throttle pedal all the way to the floor
>> once
>> and then release the pedal. If you look into the carb, the plate should
>> be
>> in the closed or choked position. This lets more fuel into the engine
>> relative to the amount of air to aid in starting. If the plate is open,
>> then the choke is not setting and you have to figure out why.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Ray O wrote:
>> >> <Elven568@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1162339341.401878.46710@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Hello Ray,
>> >> >
>> >> > I checked the stuff you said for the fuel issue, but I was unable to
>> >> > find the glass piece you suggested. Also I no longer smell gas in
>> >> > the
>> >> > engine compartment. I guess I over pumped the gas and filled the
>> >> > carb
>> >> > with gas so hence the smell.
>> >>
>> >> If you no longer smell gas, then why did you ask?
>> >>
>> >> However, my exhaust puts out no color
>> >> > smoke but it smells terrible like gaseous. I also smelled the
>> >> > dipstick
>> >> > for the gas smell and believe i did but since my car was running
>> >> > shortly before and i park under a car port I can't tell if it was
>> >> > from
>> >> > exhaust or truely the dipstick.
>> >>
>> >> Check the dipstick when the vehicle has been parked for a while.
>> >>
>> >> I was unable to check the spark plugs
>> >> > due to the lack of a deep socket 3/8ths.
>> >>
>> >> I looked at the lines going
>> >> > from the carb pan to the gas tank and saw no leaks and it looks very
>> >> > dry.
>> >>
>> >> If you are not smelling raw gas, then don't bother spending a lot of
>> >> time
>> >> looking for gas leaks.
>> >>
>> >> I also looked at the lower pully in the front of the engine (i.e.
>> >> > the Fan pulley) and saw oil residue on the bottom but when i filled
>> >> > it
>> >> > up with oil the last time the oil clung to the bottle and went all
>> >> > over
>> >> > the front side of the engine. I cleaned this up the best i could
>> >> > but
>> >> > the residue is still there.
>> >>
>> >> One of the reasons you should wipe up spills is that you can identify
>> >> leaks
>> >> later.
>> >>
>> >> When you spoke about the distributor cap
>> >> > did you mean the spark plug distributor cause I didn't look at this
>> >> > yet.
>> >>
>> >> When I spoke about the distributor cap, I meant the distributor cap.
>> >> There
>> >> is no such thing as a spark plug distributor in your engine.
>> >>
>> >> And I also didn't see anything such as a floater in the carb, but
>> >> > then again i wasn't too sure as to what i was looking at.
>> >>
>> >> I did not suggest that you look check the carburetor float because I
>> >> knew
>> >> that you would not be able to see it. I did suggest that you look for
>> >> the
>> >> sight glass on the side of the carburetor because you should be able
>> >> to
>> >> see
>> >> that.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway I put
>> >> > it all back to gether and if fired up and didn't explode so thats
>> >> > kinda
>> >> > good on my part, but i'm sure i didn't fix my problem.
>> >>
>> >> What did you take apart?
>> >>
>> >> If you wouldn't
>> >> > mind providing a link of a manual i should get i would appreciate
>> >> > it.
>> >> > There are so many manuals and i'm so new to this that I'm unsure of
>> >> > which one to choose. Thanks again for your help.
>> >>
>> >> I am not aware of any sources of on-line manuals for your engine, so,
>> >> as
>> >> I
>> >> recommended beforem, you may have to spend some money and invest in a
>> >> Chilton or Haynes manual.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Ray O
>> >> (correct punctuation to reply)
>> >[/color][/color]
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