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Old 10-31-2006, 07:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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OT Comparing Iraq with California

Iraq vs. California

The following has a very interesting perspective.

Victor Davis Hanson is a professor at Fresno State August 3, 2006 Eye
of the Beholder by Victor Davis Hanson The American Enterprise Online

War-torn Iraq has about 26 million residents, a peaceful California
perhaps now 35 million. The former is a violent and impoverished
landscape, the latter said to be paradise on Earth. But how you
envision either place to some degree depends on the eye of the
beholder and is predicated on what the daily media appear to make of
each.

As a fifth-generation Californian, I deeply love this state, but still
imagine what the reaction would be if the world awoke each morning to
be told that once again there were six more murders, 27 rapes, 38
arsons, 180 robberies, and 360 instances of assault in California -
yesterday, today, tomorrow, and every day. I wonder if the headlines
would scream about "Nearly 200 poor Californians butchered again this
month!"

How about a monthly media dose of "600 women raped in February alone!"
Or try, "Over 600 violent robberies and assaults in March, with no end
in sight!" Those do not even make up all of the state's yearly
200,000 violent acts that law enforcement knows about.

Iraq's judicial system seems a mess. On the eve of the war, Saddam let
out 100,000 inmates from his vast prison archipelago. He himself still
sits in the dock months after his trial began. But imagine an Iraq
with a penal system like California's with 170,000 criminals - an
inmate population larger than those of Germany, France, the
Netherlands, and Singapore combined.

Just to house such a shadow population costs our state nearly $7
billion a year - or about the same price of keeping 40,000 Army
personnel per year in Iraq. What would be the image of our Golden
State if we were reminded each morning, "Another $20 million spent
today on housing our criminals"?

Some of California 's most recent prison scandals would be easy to
sensationalize: "Guards watch as inmates are raped!" Or "Correction
officer accused of having sex with under-aged detainee!" And apropos
of Saddam's sluggish trial, remember that our home state multiple
murderer, Tookie Williams, was finally executed in December 2005 - 26
years after he was originally sentenced.

Much is made of the inability to patrol Iraq's borders with Iran,
Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey. But California has
only a single border with a foreign nation, not six. Yet over 3
million foreigners who sneaked in illegally now live in our state.
Worse, there are about 15,000 convicted alien felons incarcerated in
our penal system, costing about $500 million a year. Imagine the
potential tabloid headlines: "Illegal aliens in state comprise
population larger than San Francisco!" or "Drugs, criminals, and
smugglers given free pass into California!"

Every year, over 4,000 Californians die in car crashes - nearly twice
the number of Americans lost so far in three years of combat
operations in Iraq. In some sense, then, our badly maintained roads,
and often poorly trained and sometimes intoxicated drivers, are even
more lethal than Improvised Explosive Devices. Perhaps tomorrow's
headline might scream out at us: "300 Californians to perish this
month on state highways! Hundreds more will be maimed and crippled!"

In 2001, California had 32 days of power outages, despite paying
nearly the highest rates for electricity in the United States. Before
complaining about the smoke in Baghdad rising from private generators,
think back to the run on generators in California when they were
contemplated as a future part of every household's line of defense.

We're told that Iraq's finances are a mess. Yet until recently, so
were California's. Two years ago, Governor Schwarzenegger inherited a
$38 billion annual budget shortfall. That could have made for strong
morning newscast teasers: "Another $100 million borrowed today - $3
billion more in red ink to pile up by month's end!"

So is California comparable to Iraq? Hardly. Yet it could easily be
sketched by a reporter intent on doing so as a bankrupt, crime-ridden
den with murderous highways, tens of thousands of inmates, with
wide-open borders.

I myself recently returned home to California, without incident, from
a visit to Iraq's notorious Sunni Triangle. While I was gone, a
drug-addicted criminal with a long list of convictions broke into our
kitchen at 4 a.m., was surprised by my wife and daughter, and fled
with our credit cards, cash, keys, and cell phones.

Sometimes I wonder who really was safer that week.

©2006 Victor Davis Hanson Victor Davis Hanson

Victor Davis Hanson is a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution,
Stanford University , a Professor Emeritus at California University,
Fresno , and a nationally syndicated columnist for Tribune Media
Services.

He was a full-time farmer before joining California State University,
Fresno, in 1984 to initiate a classics program. In
1991, he was awarded an American Philological Association Excellence
in Teaching Award, which is given yearly to the country's top
undergraduate teachers of Greek and Latin.

Hanson was a National Endowment for the Humanities fellow at the
Center for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Sciences, Stanford,
California
(1992-93), a visiting professor of classics at Stanford University
(1991-92), a recipient of the Eric Breindel Award for opinion
journalism (2002), and an Alexander Onassis Fellow (2001) and was
named alumnus of the year of the University of California, Santa Cruz
(2002). He was also the visiting Shifrin Chair of Military History at
the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis , Maryland (2002-3).

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Old 10-31-2006, 08:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Scott, you are welcome to vacation in Iraq this year as far as I am
concerned. Take the rest of the right wingers with you.


"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:r8pfk2lj9nd4p53i602jd3cvrvur5f4j1f@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Iraq vs. California
>
> The following has a very interesting perspective.
>
> Victor Davis Hanson is a professor at Fresno State August 3, 2006 Eye
> of the Beholder by Victor Davis Hanson The American Enterprise Online
>
> War-torn Iraq has about 26 million residents, a peaceful California
> perhaps now 35 million. The former is a violent and impoverished
> landscape, the latter said to be paradise on Earth. But how you
> envision either place to some degree depends on the eye of the
> beholder and is predicated on what the daily media appear to make of
> each.
>
> As a fifth-generation Californian, I deeply love this state, but still
> imagine what the reaction would be if the world awoke each morning to
> be told that once again there were six more murders, 27 rapes, 38
> arsons, 180 robberies, and 360 instances of assault in California -
> yesterday, today, tomorrow, and every day. I wonder if the headlines
> would scream about "Nearly 200 poor Californians butchered again this
> month!"
>
> How about a monthly media dose of "600 women raped in February alone!"
> Or try, "Over 600 violent robberies and assaults in March, with no end
> in sight!" Those do not even make up all of the state's yearly
> 200,000 violent acts that law enforcement knows about.
>
> Iraq's judicial system seems a mess. On the eve of the war, Saddam let
> out 100,000 inmates from his vast prison archipelago. He himself still
> sits in the dock months after his trial began. But imagine an Iraq
> with a penal system like California's with 170,000 criminals - an
> inmate population larger than those of Germany, France, the
> Netherlands, and Singapore combined.
>
> Just to house such a shadow population costs our state nearly $7
> billion a year - or about the same price of keeping 40,000 Army
> personnel per year in Iraq. What would be the image of our Golden
> State if we were reminded each morning, "Another $20 million spent
> today on housing our criminals"?
>
> Some of California 's most recent prison scandals would be easy to
> sensationalize: "Guards watch as inmates are raped!" Or "Correction
> officer accused of having sex with under-aged detainee!" And apropos
> of Saddam's sluggish trial, remember that our home state multiple
> murderer, Tookie Williams, was finally executed in December 2005 - 26
> years after he was originally sentenced.
>
> Much is made of the inability to patrol Iraq's borders with Iran,
> Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey. But California has
> only a single border with a foreign nation, not six. Yet over 3
> million foreigners who sneaked in illegally now live in our state.
> Worse, there are about 15,000 convicted alien felons incarcerated in
> our penal system, costing about $500 million a year. Imagine the
> potential tabloid headlines: "Illegal aliens in state comprise
> population larger than San Francisco!" or "Drugs, criminals, and
> smugglers given free pass into California!"
>
> Every year, over 4,000 Californians die in car crashes - nearly twice
> the number of Americans lost so far in three years of combat
> operations in Iraq. In some sense, then, our badly maintained roads,
> and often poorly trained and sometimes intoxicated drivers, are even
> more lethal than Improvised Explosive Devices. Perhaps tomorrow's
> headline might scream out at us: "300 Californians to perish this
> month on state highways! Hundreds more will be maimed and crippled!"
>
> In 2001, California had 32 days of power outages, despite paying
> nearly the highest rates for electricity in the United States. Before
> complaining about the smoke in Baghdad rising from private generators,
> think back to the run on generators in California when they were
> contemplated as a future part of every household's line of defense.
>
> We're told that Iraq's finances are a mess. Yet until recently, so
> were California's. Two years ago, Governor Schwarzenegger inherited a
> $38 billion annual budget shortfall. That could have made for strong
> morning newscast teasers: "Another $100 million borrowed today - $3
> billion more in red ink to pile up by month's end!"
>
> So is California comparable to Iraq? Hardly. Yet it could easily be
> sketched by a reporter intent on doing so as a bankrupt, crime-ridden
> den with murderous highways, tens of thousands of inmates, with
> wide-open borders.
>
> I myself recently returned home to California, without incident, from
> a visit to Iraq's notorious Sunni Triangle. While I was gone, a
> drug-addicted criminal with a long list of convictions broke into our
> kitchen at 4 a.m., was surprised by my wife and daughter, and fled
> with our credit cards, cash, keys, and cell phones.
>
> Sometimes I wonder who really was safer that week.
>
> ©2006 Victor Davis Hanson Victor Davis Hanson
>
> Victor Davis Hanson is a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution,
> Stanford University , a Professor Emeritus at California University,
> Fresno , and a nationally syndicated columnist for Tribune Media
> Services.
>
> He was a full-time farmer before joining California State University,
> Fresno, in 1984 to initiate a classics program. In
> 1991, he was awarded an American Philological Association Excellence
> in Teaching Award, which is given yearly to the country's top
> undergraduate teachers of Greek and Latin.
>
> Hanson was a National Endowment for the Humanities fellow at the
> Center for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Sciences, Stanford,
> California
> (1992-93), a visiting professor of classics at Stanford University
> (1991-92), a recipient of the Eric Breindel Award for opinion
> journalism (2002), and an Alexander Onassis Fellow (2001) and was
> named alumnus of the year of the University of California, Santa Cruz
> (2002). He was also the visiting Shifrin Chair of Military History at
> the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis , Maryland (2002-3).
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]


 
Old 10-31-2006, 08:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:25:58 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Scott, you are welcome to vacation in Iraq this year as far as I am
>concerned. Take the rest of the right wingers with you.[/color]

Thanks to our heroes in Iraq.....it is a hell of a lot safer than
spots in California....



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Scott in Florida

 
Old 10-31-2006, 08:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:25:58 GMT, "Art"
> <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Scott, you are welcome to vacation in Iraq this year as far as I am
>>concerned. Take the rest of the right wingers with you.[/color]
>
> Thanks to our heroes in Iraq.....it is a hell of a lot safer than
> spots in California....
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]

Where in Iraq? In the green zone, behind sandbags and barbed wire?


 
Old 10-31-2006, 08:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The point, Art, is that things in Iraq are not much different than in
California.

It pains me to explain such simple stuff ...






"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:GIS1h.460$ig4.402@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Scott, you are welcome to vacation in Iraq this year as far as I am
> concerned. Take the rest of the right wingers with you.
>
>
> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
> news:r8pfk2lj9nd4p53i602jd3cvrvur5f4j1f@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> Iraq vs. California
>>
>> The following has a very interesting perspective.
>>
>> Victor Davis Hanson is a professor at Fresno State August 3, 2006 Eye
>> of the Beholder by Victor Davis Hanson The American Enterprise Online
>>
>> War-torn Iraq has about 26 million residents, a peaceful California
>> perhaps now 35 million. The former is a violent and impoverished
>> landscape, the latter said to be paradise on Earth. But how you
>> envision either place to some degree depends on the eye of the
>> beholder and is predicated on what the daily media appear to make of
>> each.
>>
>> As a fifth-generation Californian, I deeply love this state, but still
>> imagine what the reaction would be if the world awoke each morning to
>> be told that once again there were six more murders, 27 rapes, 38
>> arsons, 180 robberies, and 360 instances of assault in California -
>> yesterday, today, tomorrow, and every day. I wonder if the headlines
>> would scream about "Nearly 200 poor Californians butchered again this
>> month!"
>>
>> How about a monthly media dose of "600 women raped in February alone!"
>> Or try, "Over 600 violent robberies and assaults in March, with no end
>> in sight!" Those do not even make up all of the state's yearly
>> 200,000 violent acts that law enforcement knows about.
>>
>> Iraq's judicial system seems a mess. On the eve of the war, Saddam let
>> out 100,000 inmates from his vast prison archipelago. He himself still
>> sits in the dock months after his trial began. But imagine an Iraq
>> with a penal system like California's with 170,000 criminals - an
>> inmate population larger than those of Germany, France, the
>> Netherlands, and Singapore combined.
>>
>> Just to house such a shadow population costs our state nearly $7
>> billion a year - or about the same price of keeping 40,000 Army
>> personnel per year in Iraq. What would be the image of our Golden
>> State if we were reminded each morning, "Another $20 million spent
>> today on housing our criminals"?
>>
>> Some of California 's most recent prison scandals would be easy to
>> sensationalize: "Guards watch as inmates are raped!" Or "Correction
>> officer accused of having sex with under-aged detainee!" And apropos
>> of Saddam's sluggish trial, remember that our home state multiple
>> murderer, Tookie Williams, was finally executed in December 2005 - 26
>> years after he was originally sentenced.
>>
>> Much is made of the inability to patrol Iraq's borders with Iran,
>> Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey. But California has
>> only a single border with a foreign nation, not six. Yet over 3
>> million foreigners who sneaked in illegally now live in our state.
>> Worse, there are about 15,000 convicted alien felons incarcerated in
>> our penal system, costing about $500 million a year. Imagine the
>> potential tabloid headlines: "Illegal aliens in state comprise
>> population larger than San Francisco!" or "Drugs, criminals, and
>> smugglers given free pass into California!"
>>
>> Every year, over 4,000 Californians die in car crashes - nearly twice
>> the number of Americans lost so far in three years of combat
>> operations in Iraq. In some sense, then, our badly maintained roads,
>> and often poorly trained and sometimes intoxicated drivers, are even
>> more lethal than Improvised Explosive Devices. Perhaps tomorrow's
>> headline might scream out at us: "300 Californians to perish this
>> month on state highways! Hundreds more will be maimed and crippled!"
>>
>> In 2001, California had 32 days of power outages, despite paying
>> nearly the highest rates for electricity in the United States. Before
>> complaining about the smoke in Baghdad rising from private generators,
>> think back to the run on generators in California when they were
>> contemplated as a future part of every household's line of defense.
>>
>> We're told that Iraq's finances are a mess. Yet until recently, so
>> were California's. Two years ago, Governor Schwarzenegger inherited a
>> $38 billion annual budget shortfall. That could have made for strong
>> morning newscast teasers: "Another $100 million borrowed today - $3
>> billion more in red ink to pile up by month's end!"
>>
>> So is California comparable to Iraq? Hardly. Yet it could easily be
>> sketched by a reporter intent on doing so as a bankrupt, crime-ridden
>> den with murderous highways, tens of thousands of inmates, with
>> wide-open borders.
>>
>> I myself recently returned home to California, without incident, from
>> a visit to Iraq's notorious Sunni Triangle. While I was gone, a
>> drug-addicted criminal with a long list of convictions broke into our
>> kitchen at 4 a.m., was surprised by my wife and daughter, and fled
>> with our credit cards, cash, keys, and cell phones.
>>
>> Sometimes I wonder who really was safer that week.
>>
>> ©2006 Victor Davis Hanson Victor Davis Hanson
>>
>> Victor Davis Hanson is a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution,
>> Stanford University , a Professor Emeritus at California University,
>> Fresno , and a nationally syndicated columnist for Tribune Media
>> Services.
>>
>> He was a full-time farmer before joining California State University,
>> Fresno, in 1984 to initiate a classics program. In
>> 1991, he was awarded an American Philological Association Excellence
>> in Teaching Award, which is given yearly to the country's top
>> undergraduate teachers of Greek and Latin.
>>
>> Hanson was a National Endowment for the Humanities fellow at the
>> Center for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Sciences, Stanford,
>> California
>> (1992-93), a visiting professor of classics at Stanford University
>> (1991-92), a recipient of the Eric Breindel Award for opinion
>> journalism (2002), and an Alexander Onassis Fellow (2001) and was
>> named alumnus of the year of the University of California, Santa Cruz
>> (2002). He was also the visiting Shifrin Chair of Military History at
>> the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis , Maryland (2002-3).
>>
>> --
>>
>> Scott in Florida
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

 
Old 10-31-2006, 11:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I might even buy tickets for you and your friend Scott to go to Iraq if they
are only for one way.


"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:pLWdnXgoMdFvY9rYnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@ez2.net...[color=blue]
> The point, Art, is that things in Iraq are not much different than in
> California.
>
> It pains me to explain such simple stuff ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:GIS1h.460$ig4.402@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> Scott, you are welcome to vacation in Iraq this year as far as I am
>> concerned. Take the rest of the right wingers with you.
>>
>>
>> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>> news:r8pfk2lj9nd4p53i602jd3cvrvur5f4j1f@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Iraq vs. California
>>>
>>> The following has a very interesting perspective.
>>>
>>> Victor Davis Hanson is a professor at Fresno State August 3, 2006 Eye
>>> of the Beholder by Victor Davis Hanson The American Enterprise Online
>>>
>>> War-torn Iraq has about 26 million residents, a peaceful California
>>> perhaps now 35 million. The former is a violent and impoverished
>>> landscape, the latter said to be paradise on Earth. But how you
>>> envision either place to some degree depends on the eye of the
>>> beholder and is predicated on what the daily media appear to make of
>>> each.
>>>
>>> As a fifth-generation Californian, I deeply love this state, but still
>>> imagine what the reaction would be if the world awoke each morning to
>>> be told that once again there were six more murders, 27 rapes, 38
>>> arsons, 180 robberies, and 360 instances of assault in California -
>>> yesterday, today, tomorrow, and every day. I wonder if the headlines
>>> would scream about "Nearly 200 poor Californians butchered again this
>>> month!"
>>>
>>> How about a monthly media dose of "600 women raped in February alone!"
>>> Or try, "Over 600 violent robberies and assaults in March, with no end
>>> in sight!" Those do not even make up all of the state's yearly
>>> 200,000 violent acts that law enforcement knows about.
>>>
>>> Iraq's judicial system seems a mess. On the eve of the war, Saddam let
>>> out 100,000 inmates from his vast prison archipelago. He himself still
>>> sits in the dock months after his trial began. But imagine an Iraq
>>> with a penal system like California's with 170,000 criminals - an
>>> inmate population larger than those of Germany, France, the
>>> Netherlands, and Singapore combined.
>>>
>>> Just to house such a shadow population costs our state nearly $7
>>> billion a year - or about the same price of keeping 40,000 Army
>>> personnel per year in Iraq. What would be the image of our Golden
>>> State if we were reminded each morning, "Another $20 million spent
>>> today on housing our criminals"?
>>>
>>> Some of California 's most recent prison scandals would be easy to
>>> sensationalize: "Guards watch as inmates are raped!" Or "Correction
>>> officer accused of having sex with under-aged detainee!" And apropos
>>> of Saddam's sluggish trial, remember that our home state multiple
>>> murderer, Tookie Williams, was finally executed in December 2005 - 26
>>> years after he was originally sentenced.
>>>
>>> Much is made of the inability to patrol Iraq's borders with Iran,
>>> Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey. But California has
>>> only a single border with a foreign nation, not six. Yet over 3
>>> million foreigners who sneaked in illegally now live in our state.
>>> Worse, there are about 15,000 convicted alien felons incarcerated in
>>> our penal system, costing about $500 million a year. Imagine the
>>> potential tabloid headlines: "Illegal aliens in state comprise
>>> population larger than San Francisco!" or "Drugs, criminals, and
>>> smugglers given free pass into California!"
>>>
>>> Every year, over 4,000 Californians die in car crashes - nearly twice
>>> the number of Americans lost so far in three years of combat
>>> operations in Iraq. In some sense, then, our badly maintained roads,
>>> and often poorly trained and sometimes intoxicated drivers, are even
>>> more lethal than Improvised Explosive Devices. Perhaps tomorrow's
>>> headline might scream out at us: "300 Californians to perish this
>>> month on state highways! Hundreds more will be maimed and crippled!"
>>>
>>> In 2001, California had 32 days of power outages, despite paying
>>> nearly the highest rates for electricity in the United States. Before
>>> complaining about the smoke in Baghdad rising from private generators,
>>> think back to the run on generators in California when they were
>>> contemplated as a future part of every household's line of defense.
>>>
>>> We're told that Iraq's finances are a mess. Yet until recently, so
>>> were California's. Two years ago, Governor Schwarzenegger inherited a
>>> $38 billion annual budget shortfall. That could have made for strong
>>> morning newscast teasers: "Another $100 million borrowed today - $3
>>> billion more in red ink to pile up by month's end!"
>>>
>>> So is California comparable to Iraq? Hardly. Yet it could easily be
>>> sketched by a reporter intent on doing so as a bankrupt, crime-ridden
>>> den with murderous highways, tens of thousands of inmates, with
>>> wide-open borders.
>>>
>>> I myself recently returned home to California, without incident, from
>>> a visit to Iraq's notorious Sunni Triangle. While I was gone, a
>>> drug-addicted criminal with a long list of convictions broke into our
>>> kitchen at 4 a.m., was surprised by my wife and daughter, and fled
>>> with our credit cards, cash, keys, and cell phones.
>>>
>>> Sometimes I wonder who really was safer that week.
>>>
>>> ©2006 Victor Davis Hanson Victor Davis Hanson
>>>
>>> Victor Davis Hanson is a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution,
>>> Stanford University , a Professor Emeritus at California University,
>>> Fresno , and a nationally syndicated columnist for Tribune Media
>>> Services.
>>>
>>> He was a full-time farmer before joining California State University,
>>> Fresno, in 1984 to initiate a classics program. In
>>> 1991, he was awarded an American Philological Association Excellence
>>> in Teaching Award, which is given yearly to the country's top
>>> undergraduate teachers of Greek and Latin.
>>>
>>> Hanson was a National Endowment for the Humanities fellow at the
>>> Center for Advanced Studies in the Behavioral Sciences, Stanford,
>>> California
>>> (1992-93), a visiting professor of classics at Stanford University
>>> (1991-92), a recipient of the Eric Breindel Award for opinion
>>> journalism (2002), and an Alexander Onassis Fellow (2001) and was
>>> named alumnus of the year of the University of California, Santa Cruz
>>> (2002). He was also the visiting Shifrin Chair of Military History at
>>> the U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis , Maryland (2002-3).
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Scott in Florida
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]


 
Old 11-01-2006, 01:16 AM   #7 (permalink)
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"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:r8pfk2lj9nd4p53i602jd3cvrvur5f4j1f@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Iraq vs. California
>
> The following has a very interesting perspective.
>
> Victor Davis Hanson is a professor at Fresno State August 3, 2006 Eye
> of the Beholder by Victor Davis Hanson The American Enterprise Online
>
> War-torn Iraq has about 26 million residents, a peaceful California
> perhaps now 35 million. The former is a violent and impoverished
> landscape, the latter said to be paradise on Earth. But how you
> envision either place to some degree depends on the eye of the
> beholder and is predicated on what the daily media appear to make of
> each.
>
> As a fifth-generation Californian, I deeply <snipped>[/color]

Oh, brother! Give it up, it doesn't sell anymore!



 
Old 11-01-2006, 01:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The point, Art, is that things in Iraq are not much different than in
> California.
>
> It pains me to explain such simple stuff ...
>
>[/color]

Put up or shut up.....send your wife and kids to Iraq for a little get away.
I will send mine up to Anaheim to see Mickey. We can see who is still
married next month.


 
Old 11-01-2006, 08:02 AM   #9 (permalink)
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On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:19:21 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub@moron.com> wrote:
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>
>"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:pLWdnXgoMdFvY9rYnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@ez2.net...[color=green]
>> The point, Art, is that things in Iraq are not much different than in
>> California.
>>
>> It pains me to explain such simple stuff ...
>>
>>[/color]
>
>Put up or shut up.....send your wife and kids to Iraq for a little get away.
>I will send mine up to Anaheim to see Mickey. We can see who is still
>married next month.
>[/color]

Neither....

Your wife will run away with Mickey...


--

Scott in Florida

 
Old 11-01-2006, 08:05 AM   #10 (permalink)
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"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:4m6hk21429nksc6ojae4o8ql8k69h405g9@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:19:21 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub@moron.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:pLWdnXgoMdFvY9rYnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@ez2.net...[color=darkred]
>>> The point, Art, is that things in Iraq are not much different than in
>>> California.
>>>
>>> It pains me to explain such simple stuff ...
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>Put up or shut up.....send your wife and kids to Iraq for a little get
>>away.
>>I will send mine up to Anaheim to see Mickey. We can see who is still
>>married next month.
>>[/color]
>
> Neither....
>
> Your wife will run away with Mickey...
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]

What's so wrong about that? Yours married Goofy.


 
Old 11-01-2006, 10:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
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You mean like driving on the freeways? Far more have died there than in
Baghdad since '03 LOL


mike


"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:25:58 GMT, "Art"
> <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Scott, you are welcome to vacation in Iraq this year as far as I am
>>concerned. Take the rest of the right wingers with you.[/color]
>
> Thanks to our heroes in Iraq.....it is a hell of a lot safer than
> spots in California....
>
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]


 
Old 11-01-2006, 10:41 AM   #12 (permalink)
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> You mean like driving on the freeways? Far more have died there than in
> Baghdad since '03 LOL
>
> mike[/color]

That makes the death of 2800 soldiers OK, I guess.


 
Old 11-01-2006, 11:04 AM   #13 (permalink)
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DUH read the topic. The military are fighting for your freedom, not simply
driving down the road. Compare Iwo Jima to Iraq, 6,820 died there in one
week. How about the 15,000 that died on D-Day so you could have the right to
talk stupid?



mike


"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:-5mdnXqrN9l2ItXYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> You mean like driving on the freeways? Far more have died there than in
>> Baghdad since '03 LOL
>>
>> mike[/color]
>
> That makes the death of 2800 soldiers OK, I guess.
>[/color]


 
Old 11-01-2006, 11:10 AM   #14 (permalink)
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As in Vietnam, today's soldiers are not fighting for our freedom. WWII was
quite different.



"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:3ZadnYSNRJEOWNXYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> DUH read the topic. The military are fighting for your freedom, not
> simply driving down the road. Compare Iwo Jima to Iraq, 6,820 died there
> in one week. How about the 15,000 that died on D-Day so you could have the
> right to talk stupid?
>
>
>
> mike
>
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Ze32h.4535$ya1.2181@news02.roc.ny...[color=green]
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:-5mdnXqrN9l2ItXYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
>>> You mean like driving on the freeways? Far more have died there than
>>> in Baghdad since '03 LOL
>>>
>>> mike[/color]
>>
>> That makes the death of 2800 soldiers OK, I guess.
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]


 
Old 11-01-2006, 11:27 AM   #15 (permalink)
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
> news:4m6hk21429nksc6ojae4o8ql8k69h405g9@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:19:21 GMT, "Truckdude" <shrub@moron.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:pLWdnXgoMdFvY9rYnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@ez2.net...
>>>> The point, Art, is that things in Iraq are not much different than in
>>>> California.
>>>>
>>>> It pains me to explain such simple stuff ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Put up or shut up.....send your wife and kids to Iraq for a little get
>>>away.
>>>I will send mine up to Anaheim to see Mickey. We can see who is still
>>>married next month.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Neither....
>>
>> Your wife will run away with Mickey...
>> Scott in Florida
>>[/color]
>
> What's so wrong about that? Yours married Goofy.[/color]
LOL


 
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