Help!!! I dont know what's wrong

"Danny G." <dandog@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>>> When I had Corolla manuals, I also downshifted fairly often instead of
>>> braking, & would often hold the car on a hill by slipping
>>> the clutch. Never had the cars beyond 6 years or the high mileage
>>> you've had, but never had any clutch probs, either.
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Brakes are much cheaper to service than replacing the clutch.
>> Downshifting instead of braking and holding the car on a hill by slipping
>> the clutch are the worst things you can do for clutch life. You sold
>> your clutch problems to someone else.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]
>
> If your good at shifting then there is no wear changing gears. Heck I'd
> bet my paycheck
> that I could jump into any typical car and not even use the clutch when
> shifting gears
> smooth enough no one would notice.
>[/color]

Upshifting without using the clutch is not difficult but downshifting
without using the clutch is a little trickier ;-)

When most people downshift to slow down the vehicle, very few people blip
the throttle to match engine and transmission input shaft speeds so the
clutch and synchros get a little worn in the process of matching engine and
transmission speeds. A little bit of wear many times eventually adds up.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

> <socorro_9@hotmail.com> wrote in message[color=blue]
> news:1162486007.797238.119610@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> >I have a 1998 Corolla CE with approx. 139,000 miles on it. Its a five
> > speed and I noticed lately that the gears do not shift good. I have to
> > push hard on the gas in order for it to go. In fact, I think that all
> > my gears are like that...a long passing gear before it catches. What
> > is that, the transmission or the clutch?[/color][/color]
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> No, the gears shift into position well, its just that the gears do not
> catch upon shifting. When it finally gets into gear, the engine revs,
> but the car does not speed up.[/color]
Your clutch is slipping.

In article <GfmdnWHZWPkTK9fYnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net> wrote:[color=blue]
> When I had Corolla manuals, I also downshifted fairly often instead of
> braking, & would often hold the car on a hill by slipping
> the clutch. Never had the cars beyond 6 years or the high mileage you've
> had, but never had any clutch probs, either.[/color]

When I had a manual transmission I downshifted on long steep hills, but
usually double clutched to reduce wear of the clutch and transmission
syncromesh. Downshifting just to reduce braking when slowing to a stop
is a fools paradise; brakes are much cheaper to replace.

Slipping the clutch to hold on a hill is a sure way to wear it out.

My '63 Chev II clutch was still OK when I sold the car at 95K miles,
with 15K of that towing a 1,500 lb trailer across Canada and into the
western mountains.

High mileage is not the main cause of clutch wear. Cruising along the
highway doesn't wear the clutch, frequent shifting in city driving does.

"Spam away" <Trashhere@spam.net> wrote in message
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> My '63 Chev II clutch was still OK when I sold the car at 95K miles,
> with 15K of that towing a 1,500 lb trailer across Canada and into the
> western mountains.[/color]

Yeah, but that clutch is *easy* to replace. Four big bolts on the
bellhousing, four small bolts on the clutch cover, undo the rear driveshaft
yoke to slide it back, a spring and two cotter pins for the clutch and shift
lever linkages, undo the speedometer cable, and the trans is out. Light
enough to horse it around without a jack either.

I'm disappointed that my 95 Tacoma isn't that easy. 190K on the original
clutch & I'm going to have to go in sometime. Toyota recommends that you
pull the engine due to a non-removable transmision crossmember.
--
Mike Harris
Austin TX

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message news:7473a$454b6b60$44a4a10d$5376@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
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> "Danny G." <dandog@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:QXB2h.791$9v5.381@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...[color=green]
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>>>> When I had Corolla manuals, I also downshifted fairly often instead of braking, & would often hold the car on a hill by
>>>> slipping
>>>> the clutch. Never had the cars beyond 6 years or the high mileage you've had, but never had any clutch probs, either.
>>>>
>>>> Cathy
>>>>
>>>
>>> Brakes are much cheaper to service than replacing the clutch. Downshifting instead of braking and holding the car on a hill by
>>> slipping the clutch are the worst things you can do for clutch life. You sold your clutch problems to someone else.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]
>>
>> If your good at shifting then there is no wear changing gears. Heck I'd bet my paycheck
>> that I could jump into any typical car and not even use the clutch when shifting gears
>> smooth enough no one would notice.
>>[/color]
>
> Upshifting without using the clutch is not difficult but downshifting without using the clutch is a little trickier ;-)
>
> When most people downshift to slow down the vehicle, very few people blip the throttle to match engine and transmission input
> shaft speeds so the clutch and synchros get a little worn in the process of matching engine and transmission speeds. A little bit
> of wear many times eventually adds up.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]


I hear that. I drove a dump truck with a split axle and no syncros for a wile
so I got lots of practice. And my old Baja 200hp VW used to snap the clutch
cable (& make my leg tired) enough that not using the pedal was no big deal.

Lol, In traffic two big pushes with one foot out the door was just right to shift into 1st.

"Mike Harris" <harrisremovethiswest@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>>>> <socorro_9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> Ray O wrote:
>>>>>> <socorro_9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1162486007.797238.119610@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> >I have a 1998 Corolla CE with approx. 139,000 miles on it. Its a
>>>>>> >five
>>>>>> > speed and I noticed lately that the gears do not shift good. I
>>>>>> > have to
>>>>>> > push hard on the gas in order for it to go. In fact, I think that
>>>>>> > all
>>>>>> > my gears are like that...a long passing gear before it catches.
>>>>>> > What
>>>>>> > is that, the transmission or the clutch?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you say that the gears "do not shift good" do you mean that it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> difficult to put the gearshift lever into position or do you hear a
>>>>>> grinding
>>>>>> noise when shifting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> check the fluid level in the clutch master cylinder next to the brake
>>>>>> master
>>>>>> cylinder in the engine compartment.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray O
>>>>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, the gears shift into position well, its just that the gears do not
>>>>> catch upon shifting. When it finally gets into gear, the engine revs,
>>>>> but the car does not speed up.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DEFINITELY a worn clutch.
>>>>
>>> Or a bad pressure plate, which in terms of repair cost, is about the
>>> same.[/color]
>>
>> Yes, and it's the same work to get far enough to know one or the other,
>> AND most of us would replace both at the same time.[/color]
>
> As well as throwout and pilot bearings. It's false economy to "go inside"
> a clutch and NOT replace any parts which typically wear out, regardless of
> their condition, particularly with a front wheel drive car.
> --
> Mike Harris
> Austin TX
>[/color]

And if left too long can probably add a flywheel to the list.

not sure what is allowed here, but my 1998 corolla 5-spd w/100k miles
on it just had a front brake cylindar lock up to the point that the
wheel heated up and melted part of the hubcap. in the $600 process of
getting THAT fixed, the guy said 'by the way, we don''t do clutch work
but your clutch is shot' and it's 'pricey' to get it replaced.

any idea what 'pricey' equates to in $$$??? and if it is even worth it
(even though i just sunk $600 in it last friday)

ski
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> >> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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> >>>
> >>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >>>>
> >>>> <socorro_9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:1162501585.779336.109680@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ray O wrote:
> >>>>>> <socorro_9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:1162486007.797238.119610@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>> >I have a 1998 Corolla CE with approx. 139,000 miles on it. Its a
> >>>>>> >five
> >>>>>> > speed and I noticed lately that the gears do not shift good. I
> >>>>>> > have to
> >>>>>> > push hard on the gas in order for it to go. In fact, I think that
> >>>>>> > all
> >>>>>> > my gears are like that...a long passing gear before it catches.
> >>>>>> > What
> >>>>>> > is that, the transmission or the clutch?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When you say that the gears "do not shift good" do you mean that it
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>> difficult to put the gearshift lever into position or do you hear a
> >>>>>> grinding
> >>>>>> noise when shifting?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> check the fluid level in the clutch master cylinder next to the brake
> >>>>>> master
> >>>>>> cylinder in the engine compartment.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ray O
> >>>>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, the gears shift into position well, its just that the gears do not
> >>>>> catch upon shifting. When it finally gets into gear, the engine revs,
> >>>>> but the car does not speed up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> DEFINITELY a worn clutch.
> >>>>
> >>> Or a bad pressure plate, which in terms of repair cost, is about the
> >>> same.
> >>
> >> Yes, and it's the same work to get far enough to know one or the other,
> >> AND most of us would replace both at the same time.[/color]
> >
> > As well as throwout and pilot bearings. It's false economy to "go inside"
> > a clutch and NOT replace any parts which typically wear out, regardless of
> > their condition, particularly with a front wheel drive car.
> > --
> > Mike Harris
> > Austin TX
> >[/color]
>
> And if left too long can probably add a flywheel to the list.[/color]

<skiguy02920@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> not sure what is allowed here, but my 1998 corolla 5-spd w/100k miles
> on it just had a front brake cylindar lock up to the point that the
> wheel heated up and melted part of the hubcap. in the $600 process of
> getting THAT fixed, the guy said 'by the way, we don''t do clutch work
> but your clutch is shot' and it's 'pricey' to get it replaced.
>
> any idea what 'pricey' equates to in $$$??? and if it is even worth it
> (even though i just sunk $600 in it last friday)
>
> ski[/color]

Depending on where you are and whether the flywheel needs work or not, a
clutch replacement can cost $1,000 at the bargain end and $2,000 at the high
end, with $1,500 being a likely price.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)