Horrors of horrors

Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion and
Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6 Fusion
and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)


mike hunt

Mike Hunter wrote:[color=blue]
> Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion and
> Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6 Fusion
> and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
> actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)
>
>
> mike hunt[/color]

Yet they don't recommend either one. Wonder why?

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:22:59 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion and
>Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6 Fusion
>and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
>actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)[/color]

They're good cars, well built. Yet nobody knows what they will do long
term, how they will keep up.
[color=blue]
>
>
>mike hunt
>
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:v-6cnZIoNIjsW87YUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion and
> Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6 Fusion
> and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
> actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)
>
>
> mike hunt[/color]

I stopped believing all I read in CR about 1954, when they rated a Hudson
over a Chrysler. All very well, but they neglected to mention that if you
bought a Hudson, the trade in value on anything else would be next to nil.

They make an awful lot of very subjective statements based on the opinion of
their testers, not hard objective facts. I often read that some car or
other is difficult to get in and out of, and you have to wonder if the
tester is six foot eight and 400 pounds.

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:22:59 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion and
>Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6 Fusion
>and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
>actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)
>
>
>mike hunt
>
>[/color]

Ford knows what their vehicles are worth....


--

Scott in Florida

Bias? ;)


mike


"ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Hunter wrote:[color=green]
>> Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion
>> and
>> Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6
>> Fusion
>> and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
>> actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)
>>
>>
>> mike hunt[/color]
>
> Yet they don't recommend either one. Wonder why?
>[/color]

Nobody? ;)


mike
"RT" <noyabusiness@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:j2m7l29so8g6q6rpuktl1nhdj64skqhh6d@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:22:59 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion and
>>Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6 Fusion
>>and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
>>actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)[/color]
>
> They're good cars, well built. Yet nobody knows what they will do long
> term, how they will keep up.
>[color=green]
>>
>>
>>mike hunt
>>
>>[/color][/color]

When it comes down to it CR are basically personal opinions, no more no
less.


mike hunt


"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
news:12l7n0jhm138085@corp.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:v-6cnZIoNIjsW87YUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion
>> and Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6
>> Fusion and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese
>> models and actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)
>>
>>
>> mike hunt[/color]
>
> I stopped believing all I read in CR about 1954, when they rated a Hudson
> over a Chrysler. All very well, but they neglected to mention that if
> you bought a Hudson, the trade in value on anything else would be next to
> nil.
>
> They make an awful lot of very subjective statements based on the opinion
> of their testers, not hard objective facts. I often read that some car or
> other is difficult to get in and out of, and you have to wonder if the
> tester is six foot eight and 400 pounds.
>[/color]

Then why would any sensible person pay more for something that CR says is
not as good, like an Accord or a 4cy Camry?

mike hunt


"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:7vm7l2hfelqojqn0hbn0cblnc1ip6339vb@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:22:59 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion and
>>Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6 Fusion
>>and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
>>actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)
>>
>>
>>mike hunt
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Ford knows what their vehicles are worth....
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:tOSdncbDN_SQO8nYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
> news:7vm7l2hfelqojqn0hbn0cblnc1ip6339vb@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:22:59 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion
>>>and
>>>Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6
>>>Fusion
>>>and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
>>>actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>mike hunt
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Ford knows what their vehicles are worth....
>>[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Then why would any sensible person pay more for something that CR says is
> not as good, like an Accord or a 4cy Camry?
>
> mike hunt
>
>[/color]

If you get burned by a company's product and/or service, do you look forward
to rewarding them at some point in the future when they've supposedly
improved? Some people don't even consider the idea.

You mean like the people that have problems with their Toyotas, that we hear
from so often in the NG? Maybe that is why more Americans buy GM and Ford
vehicles than they buy Toyotas ;)


mike hunt


"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:nH15h.5244$ya1.3372@news02.roc.ny...[color=blue]
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:tOSdncbDN_SQO8nYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>> news:7vm7l2hfelqojqn0hbn0cblnc1ip6339vb@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:22:59 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
>>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion
>>>>and
>>>>Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6
>>>>Fusion
>>>>and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
>>>>actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>mike hunt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ford knows what their vehicles are worth....
>>>[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>> Then why would any sensible person pay more for something that CR says is
>> not as good, like an Accord or a 4cy Camry?
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>[/color]
>
> If you get burned by a company's product and/or service, do you look
> forward to rewarding them at some point in the future when they've
> supposedly improved? Some people don't even consider the idea.
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:MuGdnT2vNJfANMnYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
[color=blue][color=green]
>> If you get burned by a company's product and/or service, do you look
>> forward to rewarding them at some point in the future when they've
>> supposedly improved? Some people don't even consider the idea.[/color][/color]

[color=blue]
> You mean like the people that have problems with their Toyotas, that we
> hear from so often in the NG? Maybe that is why more Americans buy GM and
> Ford vehicles than they buy Toyotas ;)
>
>
> mike hunt[/color]

Maybe it's the KINDS of problems people have, which make it clear that the
manufacturer didn't give a fuck.

1) Pinto wagon (stop laughing): Stick shift was attached to tranny with a
threaded nylon collar. 3" from that point was the exhaust pipe. The heat
melted the plastic collar. No more shifting. The dealer claimed they'd never
seen this happen before. Bullshit. I fixed it the 2nd time. In order to lift
the round collar off the ball at the bottom of the stick, I had to remove
all the carpet molding, both front seats and the entire console.

2) 92 Taurus: Some sort of fusible link near the starter had pretty much
zero protection from road spray. It corroded and killed the car. The dealer
fixed it 3 times under warranty, but never improved it. I finally paid to
have my independent mechanic take care of it. He modified the arrangement,
and it never happened again.

I've had a couple of minor quirks with my latest Toyota, but nothing like
this bullshit.

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:MuGdnT2vNJfANMnYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> You mean like the people that have problems with their Toyotas, that we
> hear from so often in the NG? Maybe that is why more Americans buy GM and
> Ford vehicles than they buy Toyotas ;)
>
> mike hunt[/color]

"... hear from so often in the NG?"

Is that how we know Toyotas have problems? By checking this NG? Looking at
the subject lines for the posts in this NG, I am drawn to the conclusion
that the Toyotas with the most serious problems must be these models:

The Toyota Iraq
The Toyota Limbaugh
The Toyota Bush
The Toyota Rumsfeld
The Toyota Dims
The Toyota Republicans
The Toyota Terrorist
The Toyota Outlook Express

We hear about problems with those "Toyotas" many times per day. Other
models, not so much.
[color=blue]
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:nH15h.5244$ya1.3372@news02.roc.ny...[color=green]
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:tOSdncbDN_SQO8nYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
>>> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>> news:7vm7l2hfelqojqn0hbn0cblnc1ip6339vb@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:22:59 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
>>>> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Consumers Reports latest listing of 2006 cars, rate the Ford V6 Fusion
>>>>>and
>>>>>Mercury Milan over the Accord and the Camry. They point out the V6
>>>>>Fusion
>>>>>and Mercury Milan is thousand less then the two top Japanese models and
>>>>>actually priced below the Camry 4 cy ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>mike hunt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ford knows what their vehicles are worth....
>>>>[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Then why would any sensible person pay more for something that CR says
>>> is not as good, like an Accord or a 4cy Camry?
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>> If you get burned by a company's product and/or service, do you look
>> forward to rewarding them at some point in the future when they've
>> supposedly improved? Some people don't even consider the idea.
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]




--
Posted via a free Usenet account from [url]http://www.teranews.com[/url]

So what is your point? Does the word sludge ring a bell? Ford no longer
sells the Pinto or the 92 Taurus, one could not buy a new one if they
wanted. The Fusion, the car Ford sell today was rated higher, by CR, than
the Accord or the Camry.

For the record I own a 1971 Pinto, with 300K on the clock, that looks and
runs just fine. One of my friend that bought my former 92 Sable with 20K on
the clock now has over 200K trouble free miles on the clock

mike hunt


"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Q_15h.5247$ya1.629@news02.roc.ny...[color=blue]
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:MuGdnT2vNJfANMnYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> If you get burned by a company's product and/or service, do you look
>>> forward to rewarding them at some point in the future when they've
>>> supposedly improved? Some people don't even consider the idea.[/color][/color]
>
>[color=green]
>> You mean like the people that have problems with their Toyotas, that we
>> hear from so often in the NG? Maybe that is why more Americans buy GM
>> and Ford vehicles than they buy Toyotas ;)
>>
>>
>> mike hunt[/color]
>
> Maybe it's the KINDS of problems people have, which make it clear that the
> manufacturer didn't give a fuck.
>
> 1) Pinto wagon (stop laughing): Stick shift was attached to tranny with a
> threaded nylon collar. 3" from that point was the exhaust pipe. The heat
> melted the plastic collar. No more shifting. The dealer claimed they'd
> never seen this happen before. Bullshit. I fixed it the 2nd time. In order
> to lift the round collar off the ball at the bottom of the stick, I had to
> remove all the carpet molding, both front seats and the entire console.
>
> 2) 92 Taurus: Some sort of fusible link near the starter had pretty much
> zero protection from road spray. It corroded and killed the car. The
> dealer fixed it 3 times under warranty, but never improved it. I finally
> paid to have my independent mechanic take care of it. He modified the
> arrangement, and it never happened again.
>
> I've had a couple of minor quirks with my latest Toyota, but nothing like
> this bullshit.
>[/color]

How about Toyotas sludge problem or the millions recalled for defective
steering, wheels that fall off etc.? The fact is ALL manufactures make some
that are not up to snuff on occasion and Toyota is no exception just because
you think so. CR was the bible of the Toyota owners when their car was
rated the highest, now all of a sudden CR is not so perfect when the rate
the Fusion above the Accord and Camry and point out the Fusion costs
thousands less too boot. ;)


mike hunt


"DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
news:4554a457$0$12137$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...[color=blue]
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:MuGdnT2vNJfANMnYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> You mean like the people that have problems with their Toyotas, that we
>> hear from so often in the NG? Maybe that is why more Americans buy GM
>> and
>> Ford vehicles than they buy Toyotas ;)
>>
>> mike hunt[/color]
>
> "... hear from so often in the NG?"
>
> Is that how we know Toyotas have problems? By checking this NG? Looking
> at
> the subject lines for the posts in this NG, I am drawn to the conclusion
> that the Toyotas with the most serious problems must be these models:[/color]