{OT} pledge of allegiance banned

Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by
banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no
reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.

The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash
over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some
of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the
pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.

"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them
take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine
Zoldos told Reuters.

"The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued
traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would
attend every board meeting to salute the flag.

The move was led by three recently elected student trustees, who ran
for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not
believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and
government at their school. One student trustee voted against the
measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus
meetings.

The ban follows a 2002 ruling by a federal appeals court in San
Francisco that said forcing school children to recite the pledge was
unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The U.S. Supreme
Court struck down the ruling on procedural grounds but left the door
open for another challenge.

"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee
Jason Ball, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a
socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was
inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy
my ideology."

Ball said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want
to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their
meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through
performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.

Martha Parham, a spokeswoman for the Coast Community College District,
said her office had no standing on the student board and took no
position on the flag salute ban.

"If their personal belief is that they don't want to say the Pledge of
Allegiance, the district certainly isn't going to dictate what they
do," she said.

More than 28,000 students attend the community college, located in
conservative Orange County, California, south of Los Angeles.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/us_nm/life_pledge_dc[/url]

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:43:52 -0500, badgolferman wrote:
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>
> Ball said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want
> to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their
> meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through
> performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.[/color]


North Korea Welcomes You!

Iran Welcomes You!

Leave now, 'cause we don't want your ass here!

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0etka622vyh4u000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by
> banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no
> reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.
>[/color]

The secular progressives have gone too far.

First. They are apparently too dumb to run a college. They DO NOT pledge
loyalty to God. If they could actually read a single sentence, perhaps they
would know that.

Second. I see no reason to not swear loyalty to America, and the republic
for which it stands.



[color=blue]
> The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash
> over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some
> of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the
> pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.
>[/color]

I would expect this sort of thing from the San Francisco democrats, but
getting it from Orange County is a bit of a shock.

I shouldn't be shocked, I suppose. I just found out they can't read, and
that is shock enough.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0etka622vyh4u000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by
> banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no
> reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.
>
> The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash
> over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some
> of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the
> pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.
>
> "America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them
> take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine
> Zoldos told Reuters.
>
> "The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued
> traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would
> attend every board meeting to salute the flag.
>[/color]

I see something good came of it. Look at Zoldos. This moved her.



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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0etka622vyh4u000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by
> banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no
> reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.
>
> The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash
> over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some
> of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the
> pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.
>
> "America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them
> take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine
> Zoldos told Reuters.
>
> "The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued
> traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would
> attend every board meeting to salute the flag.
>
> The move was led by three recently elected student trustees, who ran
> for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not
> believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and
> government at their school. One student trustee voted against the
> measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus
> meetings.
>
> The ban follows a 2002 ruling by a federal appeals court in San
> Francisco that said forcing school children to recite the pledge was
> unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The U.S. Supreme
> Court struck down the ruling on procedural grounds but left the door
> open for another challenge.
>
> "That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee
> Jason Ball, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a
> socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was
> inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy
> my ideology."
>
> Ball said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want
> to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their
> meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through
> performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.
>
> Martha Parham, a spokeswoman for the Coast Community College District,
> said her office had no standing on the student board and took no
> position on the flag salute ban.
>
> "If their personal belief is that they don't want to say the Pledge of
> Allegiance, the district certainly isn't going to dictate what they
> do," she said.
>
> More than 28,000 students attend the community college, located in
> conservative Orange County, California, south of Los Angeles.
>
> [url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/us_nm/life_pledge_dc[/url][/color]


And they wonder why I refer to the ACLU as the American Communist Liberation
Union?

Charles of Schaumburg

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:DJa5h.69$8u1.33@trndny04...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:43:52 -0500, badgolferman wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> Ball said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want
>> to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their
>> meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through
>> performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.[/color]
>
>
> North Korea Welcomes You!
>
> Iran Welcomes You!
>
> Leave now, 'cause we don't want your ass here!
>[/color]

We teach them to take their patriotism at second-hand; to shout with the
largest crowd without examining into the right or wrong of the
matter-exactly as boys under monarchies are taught and have always been
taught. We teach them to regard as traitors, and hold in aversion and
contempt, such as do not shout with the crowd, and so here in our democracy
we are cheering a thing which of all things is most foreign to it and out of
place-the delivery of our political conscience into somebody else's keeping.
This is patriotism on the Russian plan.
-- Mark Twain

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0etka622vyh4u000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by
> banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no
> reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.[/color]


Get over it. It's a college. This is what sometimes happen at colleges. It's
been happening for a long time. Then, students grow up.

In article <bGO5h.5271$Ka1.4543@news01.roc.ny>,
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0etka622vyh4u000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
> > Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by
> > banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no
> > reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.[/color]
>
>
> Get over it. It's a college. This is what sometimes happen at colleges. It's
> been happening for a long time. Then, students grow up.[/color]

If they aren't grown up then why should they be allowed to vote?
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"dbu'" <repubs@waitfor08.com> wrote in message
news:repubs-C4AB5E.18441812112006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=blue]
> In article <bGO5h.5271$Ka1.4543@news01.roc.ny>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0etka622vyh4u000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=darkred]
>> > Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by
>> > banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no
>> > reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Get over it. It's a college. This is what sometimes happen at colleges.
>> It's
>> been happening for a long time. Then, students grow up.[/color]
>
> If they aren't grown up then why should they be allowed to vote?
> --
>[/color]

Because they're old enough to die in battle, at the behest of people who
don't care about other peoples' kids.

In article <IiP5h.5276$Ka1.1850@news01.roc.ny>,
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "dbu'" <repubs@waitfor08.com> wrote in message
> news:repubs-C4AB5E.18441812112006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=green]
> > In article <bGO5h.5271$Ka1.4543@news01.roc.ny>,
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:xn0etka622vyh4u000@news.readfreenews.net...
> >> > Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by
> >> > banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no
> >> > reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.
> >>
> >>
> >> Get over it. It's a college. This is what sometimes happen at colleges.
> >> It's
> >> been happening for a long time. Then, students grow up.[/color]
> >
> > If they aren't grown up then why should they be allowed to vote?
> > --
> >[/color]
>
> Because they're old enough to die in battle, at the behest of people who
> don't care about other peoples' kids.[/color]

Who "don't care about other peoples kids"? You talk like a fool.
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JoeSpareBedroom, 11/12/2006,7:49:44 PM, wrote:
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> > > Get over it. It's a college. This is what sometimes happen at
> > > colleges. It's been happening for a long time. Then, students
> > > grow up.[/color]
> >
> > If they aren't grown up then why should they be allowed to vote?
> > --[/color]
>
> Because they're old enough to die in battle, at the behest of people
> who don't care about other peoples' kids.[/color]

If they're old enough to die in battle why aren't they old enough to
drink?

JoeSpareBedroom, 11/12/2006,7:05:32 PM, wrote:
[color=blue]
> We teach them to take their patriotism at second-hand; to shout with
> the largest crowd without examining into the right or wrong of the
> matter-exactly as boys under monarchies are taught and have always
> been taught. We teach them to regard as traitors, and hold in
> aversion and contempt, such as do not shout with the crowd, and so
> here in our democracy we are cheering a thing which of all things is
> most foreign to it and out of place-the delivery of our political
> conscience into somebody else's keeping. This is patriotism on the
> Russian plan. -- Mark Twain[/color]

Huh? That sounds like a convoluted way to say "I am an anarchist."

Jeff Strickland, 11/10/2006,11:02:18 PM, wrote:
[color=blue]
> I would expect this sort of thing from the San Francisco democrats,
> but getting it from Orange County is a bit of a shock.
>
> I shouldn't be shocked, I suppose. I just found out they can't read,
> and that is shock enough.[/color]

Don't be shocked. With San Francisco values leading Congress we are
bound to see much more of this kind of "hate America" rhetoric in the
near future.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0etn2hk5pn7jy000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> JoeSpareBedroom, 11/12/2006,7:49:44 PM, wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > > Get over it. It's a college. This is what sometimes happen at
>> > > colleges. It's been happening for a long time. Then, students
>> > > grow up.
>> >
>> > If they aren't grown up then why should they be allowed to vote?
>> > --[/color]
>>
>> Because they're old enough to die in battle, at the behest of people
>> who don't care about other peoples' kids.[/color]
>
> If they're old enough to die in battle why aren't they old enough to
> drink?[/color]

If they're old enough to die in battle, why aren't they old enough to vote?
Wait, we've had this argument. . . . If it works for voting, why not
drinking and smoking? In Illinois in the old days, I couldn't legally sign
a hire-purchase contract for a car before I was 21. When I bought my
first car on time, I had to bring proof I was 21, and they looked at the
proof several times. I nearly had to bring my mom down to testify that the
accident happened at least 21 years prior to that. . . . <g>.

Charles of Schaumburg
49 and still getting carded.

In article <xn0etn2kx5ps21s002@news.readfreenews.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Jeff Strickland, 11/10/2006,11:02:18 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I would expect this sort of thing from the San Francisco democrats,
> > but getting it from Orange County is a bit of a shock.
> >
> > I shouldn't be shocked, I suppose. I just found out they can't read,
> > and that is shock enough.[/color]
>
> Don't be shocked. With San Francisco values leading Congress we are
> bound to see much more of this kind of "hate America" rhetoric in the
> near future.[/color]

The dimmies will play it kool for these two years up comming, passing
only gas and a few feel good bills. IF they can retain congress in 08
and IF they get one of their own in the White house they will then begin
their reign of power after 08 elections. Look for far ranging gun
control, massive tax increases, huge defense spending cuts and large
increases in social programs at the expense of working people not just
the rich. Oh, and look for some sort of health care which will benefit
the poor, but leave the middle class worker bees to pay for it without
much relief of their own medical bills. Environment will be a big
talking point after 08 if the dimmies win big. Look for additional
taxes on corporations and huge restrictions on your vehicle choices and
fuels. Look for a movement to shift population closer to mass transit
stations and out of the burbs. This will take some time, perhaps a
couple of generations, but federal laws will mandate these (large condo
projects) shifts based on federal funding. The states will once again
be beholden to the feds for money.
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