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Old 11-11-2006, 07:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Re: factory alarm gone scatty on 97 Camry after having changed main car battery


"Don" <donkeyCIsland@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ej5p97$p4d$1@newsreader.cw.net...[color=blue]
>I have a 4cyl. 97 Camry with the black two button Toyota keyless fobs.
>
> The main car battery died and I replaced it with a new one from the
> dealer.
>
> Then the alarm started playing up. I thought this was caused by having a
> under charged battery. I thought I had cured the problem by charging the
> battery through and extended journey (charging the battery via the
> alternator).
>
> However the wretched alarm goes off if I decide to start it having left it
> idle for two days. The alarm stays silent if the car is started within 2
> days after being switched off. But on that 3rd day of non-use I can be
> sure
> that the alarm is going to scream blue murder! This is driving me NUTS
> because before I changed the car battery everything was fine. Now I have a
> car, which I have to drive once every two days or suffer the indignity of
> having a wailing car alarm, which I can't control!
>
> I think this has something to do with the power level of the battery,
> somehow the alarm senses the level of battery charge and if it is too low
> this sets it off! I have no instructions for this alarm! I suspect there
> must be a reset procedure for the alarm, which will calibrate it to the
> new
> battery. I have checked that the new battery is the correct model for the
> car.
>
> Has anyone experienced this battery change hell?[/color]


A new battery should be able to hold a charge for 3 days without a
significant voltage drop unless something is drawing power while the car is
sitting idle. If you have automatic headlights, turn them to the off
position if you are going to park the car for any length of time. Do you
have any aftermarket accessories like an audio system, remote starter, fog
lights, hard-wired radar detector, etc.? If there is no significant
parasitic draw and the battery is not holding a charge, then the replacement
battery may be bad or marginal. If you have a volt meter, you should check
battery voltage when you shut the engine off and when the problem occurs.

After the car has sat for 3 days, when does the alarm trigger? When you
open the driver's door or when you insert the key in the ignition? Is there
a difference if you open the door with the key instead of the remote? How
about if you unlock the passenger door or trunk first? There is a switch
connected to the lock cylinder that may not be detecting the unlock.
--

Ray O
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Old 11-12-2006, 09:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: factory alarm gone scatty on 97 Camry after having changed main car battery

Ray

Car doesn't have auto-sensing headlights. Prior to the battery change I was
driving the car once every 14 days or so with no starting problems at all.
Car has no after market fittings. I purchase the car second hand about 4
years ago and have driven it with no problems until this battery change. I
think the previous owner did fit a CB radio or something where the central
cup holders are situated, but that had been removed before I purchased the
car.

After leaving the car for three days of non-use I unlock the car with the
remote (this works fine). I start the car with the key and the engine fires
up first time with no indication that the battery is having difficulty
turning the starter motor over. The alarm usually triggers after the engine
has been running for a short while between 10-30 seconds. The alarm may
sound hesitant by appearing to shut off for a fraction of a second but then
carryon annoying me. I have tried raising the rev counter level using the
throttle pedal and this has on occasion stopped the alarm for a fraction of
a second before it restarts. I suppose the alarm sounds for no more than
about 5 mins (although is seems much longer than this when your wishing it
to shut up). After alarm has said its piece then its shuts up and I cannot
induce it to sound.

The annoying thing is that I can start it up on the 3rd day and be on the
road within 30 seconds and the alarm will sound off while I'm in traffic
very embarrassing.

As long as I don't let the car stand for 3 days this alarm nonsense doesn't
appear.

I have tried to unlock the car with the key and this works, however I think
all four indicator lights light up permanently (i.e. not flashing). Engine
can be started ok but obviously I can't drive the car with the indicators
all lit at the same time. I don't think the alarm sounds though.

The only other time that the alarm goes off is when I have not driven it for
a short while and use it to drive a short distance 0.5 - 1 mile or so then
20 minutes after I park up and lock the car the alarm sounds. I've checked
in the specification section of the manual and it does say something about
the voltage being checked by the car 20 minutes after shutoff.

It would be interesting to find out where the alarm computer box is situated
so I could find out the name of this malfunctioning piece of rubbish.

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
news:b7ecf$455679b1$47c2b532$8224@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Don" <donkeyCIsland@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ej5p97$p4d$1@newsreader.cw.net...[color=green]
> >I have a 4cyl. 97 Camry with the black two button Toyota keyless fobs.
> >
> > The main car battery died and I replaced it with a new one from the
> > dealer.
> >
> > Then the alarm started playing up. I thought this was caused by having a
> > under charged battery. I thought I had cured the problem by charging the
> > battery through and extended journey (charging the battery via the
> > alternator).
> >
> > However the wretched alarm goes off if I decide to start it having left[/color][/color]
it[color=blue][color=green]
> > idle for two days. The alarm stays silent if the car is started within 2
> > days after being switched off. But on that 3rd day of non-use I can be
> > sure
> > that the alarm is going to scream blue murder! This is driving me NUTS
> > because before I changed the car battery everything was fine. Now I have[/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green]
> > car, which I have to drive once every two days or suffer the indignity[/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green]
> > having a wailing car alarm, which I can't control!
> >
> > I think this has something to do with the power level of the battery,
> > somehow the alarm senses the level of battery charge and if it is too[/color][/color]
low[color=blue][color=green]
> > this sets it off! I have no instructions for this alarm! I suspect there
> > must be a reset procedure for the alarm, which will calibrate it to the
> > new
> > battery. I have checked that the new battery is the correct model for[/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > car.
> >
> > Has anyone experienced this battery change hell?[/color]
>
>
> A new battery should be able to hold a charge for 3 days without a
> significant voltage drop unless something is drawing power while the car[/color]
is[color=blue]
> sitting idle. If you have automatic headlights, turn them to the off
> position if you are going to park the car for any length of time. Do you
> have any aftermarket accessories like an audio system, remote starter, fog
> lights, hard-wired radar detector, etc.? If there is no significant
> parasitic draw and the battery is not holding a charge, then the[/color]
replacement[color=blue]
> battery may be bad or marginal. If you have a volt meter, you should[/color]
check[color=blue]
> battery voltage when you shut the engine off and when the problem occurs.
>
> After the car has sat for 3 days, when does the alarm trigger? When you
> open the driver's door or when you insert the key in the ignition? Is[/color]
there[color=blue]
> a difference if you open the door with the key instead of the remote? How
> about if you unlock the passenger door or trunk first? There is a switch
> connected to the lock cylinder that may not be detecting the unlock.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
>
>[/color]


 
Old 11-12-2006, 01:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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"Don" <donkeyCIsland@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> It would be interesting to find out where the alarm computer box is
> situated
> so I could find out the name of this malfunctioning piece of rubbish.[/color]

I hope you don't find out that Lucas of England (the prince of darkness) is
the part's supplier! ; - )


 
Old 11-12-2006, 04:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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"Don" <donkeyCIsland@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ej7efk$1cmc$1@newsreader.cw.net...[color=blue]
> Ray
>
> Car doesn't have auto-sensing headlights. Prior to the battery change I
> was
> driving the car once every 14 days or so with no starting problems at all.
> Car has no after market fittings. I purchase the car second hand about 4
> years ago and have driven it with no problems until this battery change. I
> think the previous owner did fit a CB radio or something where the central
> cup holders are situated, but that had been removed before I purchased the
> car.
>
> After leaving the car for three days of non-use I unlock the car with the
> remote (this works fine). I start the car with the key and the engine
> fires
> up first time with no indication that the battery is having difficulty
> turning the starter motor over. The alarm usually triggers after the
> engine
> has been running for a short while between 10-30 seconds. The alarm may
> sound hesitant by appearing to shut off for a fraction of a second but
> then
> carryon annoying me. I have tried raising the rev counter level using the
> throttle pedal and this has on occasion stopped the alarm for a fraction
> of
> a second before it restarts. I suppose the alarm sounds for no more than
> about 5 mins (although is seems much longer than this when your wishing it
> to shut up). After alarm has said its piece then its shuts up and I cannot
> induce it to sound.
>
> The annoying thing is that I can start it up on the 3rd day and be on the
> road within 30 seconds and the alarm will sound off while I'm in traffic
> very embarrassing.
>
> As long as I don't let the car stand for 3 days this alarm nonsense
> doesn't
> appear.
>
> I have tried to unlock the car with the key and this works, however I
> think
> all four indicator lights light up permanently (i.e. not flashing). Engine
> can be started ok but obviously I can't drive the car with the indicators
> all lit at the same time. I don't think the alarm sounds though.
>
> The only other time that the alarm goes off is when I have not driven it
> for
> a short while and use it to drive a short distance 0.5 - 1 mile or so then
> 20 minutes after I park up and lock the car the alarm sounds. I've checked
> in the specification section of the manual and it does say something about
> the voltage being checked by the car 20 minutes after shutoff.
>
> It would be interesting to find out where the alarm computer box is
> situated
> so I could find out the name of this malfunctioning piece of rubbish.
>[/color]

If you have the factory repair manual, check the theft deterrent section in
the Body Electrical (BE) section. I don't think it covers your particular
symptoms, so I'd check voltage at the harness connection for the theft
deterrent system ECU.

The ECU for the theft deterrent section should be in the trunk on the left
side.
--

Ray O
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