Please...Toyota... gimmee a small turbo-diesel!

Like you do everybody else in the world! Please! I'll buy it right
now, meet you at the dealer tomorrow to place my order!

-jeff

Jeff wrote:[color=blue]
> Like you do everybody else in the world! Please! I'll buy it right
> now, meet you at the dealer tomorrow to place my order![/color]

Yaris or Corolla 1.4 is not small enough for you?

Hans

Hans Fleischmann wrote:[color=blue]
> Jeff wrote:[color=green]
> > Like you do everybody else in the world! Please! I'll buy it right
> > now, meet you at the dealer tomorrow to place my order![/color]
>
> Yaris or Corolla 1.4 is not small enough for you?
>
> Hans[/color]

In the US market, you can only get them with a gasoline engine. In
Europe, for example, there are several Toyota turbo-diesels that get
astounding fuel economy...

-jeff

Jeff wrote:[color=blue]
> Hans Fleischmann wrote:[color=green]
>> Jeff wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Like you do everybody else in the world! Please! I'll buy it right
>>> now, meet you at the dealer tomorrow to place my order![/color]
>>
>> Yaris or Corolla 1.4 is not small enough for you?[/color]
>
> In the US market, you can only get them with a gasoline engine. In
> Europe, for example, there are several Toyota turbo-diesels that get
> astounding fuel economy...[/color]

I happen to be so lucky to live in Europe. :-) It is not only Toyota
that has really impressive Diesels nowadays, most European manufacturers
have very advanced Diesels. Technically they are great engines but I
still prefer a gasoline since Diesels get high taxes here in NL.

Someone once told me that you can get every model from a manufacturer at
any dealer anywhere in the world. I'm not sure if that is correct and I
can hardly believe that it is automatically legal to drive and register.
Maybe you can try to find out, maybe even someone else in this group can
enlighten us.

Hans

Hans Fleischmann wrote:[color=blue]
> Jeff wrote:[color=green]
> > Hans Fleischmann wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> Jeff wrote:
> >>> Like you do everybody else in the world! Please! I'll buy it right
> >>> now, meet you at the dealer tomorrow to place my order!
> >>
> >> Yaris or Corolla 1.4 is not small enough for you?[/color]
> >
> > In the US market, you can only get them with a gasoline engine. In
> > Europe, for example, there are several Toyota turbo-diesels that get
> > astounding fuel economy...[/color]
>
> I happen to be so lucky to live in Europe. :-) It is not only Toyota
> that has really impressive Diesels nowadays, most European manufacturers
> have very advanced Diesels. Technically they are great engines but I
> still prefer a gasoline since Diesels get high taxes here in NL.
>
> Someone once told me that you can get every model from a manufacturer at
> any dealer anywhere in the world. I'm not sure if that is correct and I
> can hardly believe that it is automatically legal to drive and register.
> Maybe you can try to find out, maybe even someone else in this group can
> enlighten us.[/color]

No, it's very expensive/hard to bring a car into the US.

-jeff

Jeff wrote:[color=blue]
> No, it's very expensive/hard to bring a car into the US.
>
> -jeff[/color]

Hence Toyota limit the amount they put through testing to the ones they
know will sell well i s'pose.

On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:45:27 +0100, Hans Fleischmann
<hansi@stack.enel> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Jeff wrote:[color=green]
>> Hans Fleischmann wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>> Like you do everybody else in the world! Please! I'll buy it right
>>>> now, meet you at the dealer tomorrow to place my order!
>>>
>>> Yaris or Corolla 1.4 is not small enough for you?[/color]
>>
>> In the US market, you can only get them with a gasoline engine. In
>> Europe, for example, there are several Toyota turbo-diesels that get
>> astounding fuel economy...[/color]
>
>I happen to be so lucky to live in Europe. :-) It is not only Toyota
>that has really impressive Diesels nowadays, most European manufacturers
> have very advanced Diesels. Technically they are great engines but I
>still prefer a gasoline since Diesels get high taxes here in NL.[/color]

Why does the NL tax diesels highly?

That does not sound logical (but politicians worldwide don't make much
sense <g>).

[color=blue]
>
>Someone once told me that you can get every model from a manufacturer at
>any dealer anywhere in the world. I'm not sure if that is correct and I
>can hardly believe that it is automatically legal to drive and register.
>Maybe you can try to find out, maybe even someone else in this group can
>enlighten us.
>
>Hans[/color]

--

Scott in Florida

Coyoteboy wrote:[color=blue]
> Jeff wrote:[color=green]
> > No, it's very expensive/hard to bring a car into the US.
> >
> > -jeff[/color]
>
> Hence Toyota limit the amount they put through testing to the ones they
> know will sell well i s'pose.[/color]

It's because our diesel fuel was so dirty up until recently. So diesel
cars won't pass the California CARB standards, and NY follows those
standards, so anyone bringing a diesel car into the the US couldn't
sell into the Cali or NY markets- obviously a huge problem. Now that
our fuel is cleaning up, you'll see small turbo diesels from the
Japanese.

It's a shame, because I think it's a superior way to get 50 mpg than a
hybrid! A hybrid is very complex, while a diesel engine is very simple
and time-proven.

-jeff

Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:45:27 +0100, Hans Fleischmann
> <hansi@stack.enel> wrote:[color=green]
>> I happen to be so lucky to live in Europe. :-) It is not only Toyota
>> that has really impressive Diesels nowadays, most European manufacturers
>> have very advanced Diesels. Technically they are great engines but I
>> still prefer a gasoline since Diesels get high taxes here in NL.[/color]
>
> Why does the NL tax diesels highly?
>
> That does not sound logical (but politicians worldwide don't make much
> sense <g>).[/color]

It does not really make sense but I think it is because Diesel engines
used to be more pollutive than gasolines. As always rules are a bit
behind the developments in technology since modern Common-rail Turbo
Diesels with sooth-filters are a big improvement over the old
Diesel-engines.

Although fuel-taxes turn it around: €0.67/l gas and €0.36/l Diesel.
All-in-prices are about €1.30 vs €1.00.

Hans

"Hans Fleischmann" <hansi@stack.enel> wrote in message
news:4562b069$0$335$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:45:27 +0100, Hans Fleischmann
>> <hansi@stack.enel> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I happen to be so lucky to live in Europe. :-) It is not only Toyota
>>> that has really impressive Diesels nowadays, most European manufacturers
>>> have very advanced Diesels. Technically they are great engines but I
>>> still prefer a gasoline since Diesels get high taxes here in NL.[/color]
>>
>> Why does the NL tax diesels highly?
>>
>> That does not sound logical (but politicians worldwide don't make much
>> sense <g>).[/color]
>
> It does not really make sense but I think it is because Diesel engines
> used to be more pollutive than gasolines. As always rules are a bit
> behind the developments in technology since modern Common-rail Turbo
> Diesels with sooth-filters are a big improvement over the old
> Diesel-engines.
>
> Although fuel-taxes turn it around: ?0.67/l gas and ?0.36/l Diesel.
> All-in-prices are about ?1.30 vs ?1.00.
>
> Hans[/color]

We're going to assume you mean Euro 1.30 per litre for gasoline and Euro
1.00 per litre for diesel. Or just shy of $5.00/gal for gas and $3.78 for
diesel.

Charles of Schaumburg

n5hsr wrote:[color=blue]
> "Hans Fleischmann" <hansi@stack.enel> wrote in message[color=green]
>> [...]
>> Although fuel-taxes turn it around: ?0.67/l gas and ?0.36/l Diesel.
>> All-in-prices are about ?1.30 vs ?1.00.[/color]
>
> We're going to assume you mean Euro 1.30 per litre for gasoline and Euro
> 1.00 per litre for diesel. Or just shy of $5.00/gal for gas and $3.78 for
> diesel.[/color]

Try a newsreader with Unicode-support. ;-)

Google tells me it's about $6.30/gal and $4.85/gal:

[url]www.google.com/search?q=1.30+eur/l+in+usd/gal[/url]

That's quite a difference, are these the same gallons?

Hans