OT Education in America...thanks Liberals...

Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.

The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and
gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies.
While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort
and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but when I tried
to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.

Why do I tell you this?

Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:



Teaching Math In 1950

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his
profit?


Teaching Math In 1960

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What
is his profit?


Teaching Math In 1970

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?


Teaching Math In 1980

A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20 Your
assignment: Underline the number 20.


Teaching Math In 1990

A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is
selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the
habitat of animals or the preservation of our
woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
$20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
Topic for class participation after answering the
question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the
logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
answers.)


Teaching Math In 2005

Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100.
El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas
se puede comprar?




--

Scott in Florida

In article <bph1m218ar8s5ahodnj6bamam2rv8brv2m@4ax.com>,
Scott in Florida <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.
>
> The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and
> gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies.
> While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort
> and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but when I tried
> to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.
>
> Why do I tell you this?
>
> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:
>
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1950
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his
> profit?
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1960
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What
> is his profit?
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1970
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1980
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20 Your
> assignment: Underline the number 20.
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1990
>
> A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is
> selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the
> habitat of animals or the preservation of our
> woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
> $20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
> Topic for class participation after answering the
> question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the
> logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
> answers.)
>
>
> Teaching Math In 2005
>
> Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100.
> El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas
> se puede comprar?[/color]

How true, how true it is, LOL.
--

Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.
>
> The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and
> gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies.
> While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort
> and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but when I tried
> to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.
>
> Why do I tell you this?
>
> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:
>
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1950
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his
> profit?
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1960
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What
> is his profit?
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1970
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1980
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20 Your
> assignment: Underline the number 20.
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1990
>
> A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is
> selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the
> habitat of animals or the preservation of our
> woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
> $20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
> Topic for class participation after answering the
> question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the
> logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
> answers.)
>
>
> Teaching Math In 2005
>
> Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100.
> El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas
> se puede comprar?[/color]
=====

That's a funny joke at the expense of Spanish-speaking
Americans, Scott. By the way, yesterday I said Tom Cruise
would be better off with his former girlfriend Penelope Cruz than
current wife Katie Holmes only because Tom and Penelope are both
True Heteros, whereas Katie is a Nominal Hetero. Of course, Tom has
no idea.

But if you think there are too many Spanish-speaking Americans, my
goodness(!), you Nominals are everywhere! LOL [chuckle]

I wouldn't be too harsh on Spanish-speaking Americans and other
minorities, Scott, lest one day we True Heteros get kinda tired of
dealing with all you Nominals [chuckle]

Remember, as a Nominal, you are a minority, too ;-)

I'm having too much fun [chuckle]

Built_Well wrote:[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida wrote:[color=green]
>> Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.
>>
>> The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and
>> gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies.
>> While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort
>> and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but when I tried
>> to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.
>>
>> Why do I tell you this?
>>
>> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:
>>
>>
>>
>> Teaching Math In 1950
>>
>> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
>> cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his
>> profit?
>>
>>
>> Teaching Math In 1960
>>
>> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
>> cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What
>> is his profit?
>>
>>
>> Teaching Math In 1970
>>
>> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
>> cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?
>>
>>
>> Teaching Math In 1980
>>
>> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
>> cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20 Your
>> assignment: Underline the number 20.
>>
>>
>> Teaching Math In 1990
>>
>> A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is
>> selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the
>> habitat of animals or the preservation of our
>> woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
>> $20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
>> Topic for class participation after answering the
>> question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the
>> logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
>> answers.)
>>
>>
>> Teaching Math In 2005
>>
>> Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100.
>> El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas
>> se puede comprar?[/color]
> =====
>
> That's a funny joke at the expense of Spanish-speaking
> Americans, Scott. By the way, yesterday I said Tom Cruise
> would be better off with his former girlfriend Penelope Cruz than
> current wife Katie Holmes only because Tom and Penelope are both
> True Heteros, whereas Katie is a Nominal Hetero. Of course, Tom has
> no idea.
>
> But if you think there are too many Spanish-speaking Americans, my
> goodness(!), you Nominals are everywhere! LOL [chuckle]
>
> I wouldn't be too harsh on Spanish-speaking Americans and other
> minorities, Scott, lest one day we True Heteros get kinda tired of
> dealing with all you Nominals [chuckle]
>
> Remember, as a Nominal, you are a minority, too ;-)
>
> I'm having too much fun [chuckle][/color]
=====

Basically what I'm saying, Scott, is a *TRUE* Hetero Spanish woman
like Penelope Cruz trumps a *NOMINAL* Hetero white guy like yourself ;-)

And I say that being a white feller myself :-) lol

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:bph1m218ar8s5ahodnj6bamam2rv8brv2m@4ax.com...[color=blue]
>
> Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.
>
> The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and
> gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies.
> While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort
> and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but when I tried
> to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.
>
> Why do I tell you this?
>
> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:[/color]

Math got weird - re: the "New Math" of the late 60's - early 70's. Thank
goodness, the weirder parts were later ditched, the saner parts retained, &
we were back to teaching normal ol' math. Except on a higher level, since
the push for higher standards (which can be great, if common sense is used)
in the last ten years or so.

Too high, sometimes. For a few years I was required to teach acute, obtuse,
& right angles to 3rd graders in the geometry unit. Although can be
interesting/fun, *why*? They (NYS Ed. Dept.) finally dropped that last
year. I was also required to teach decimals to the hundredths place. Why,
except for when used in money? Money, makes sense. Otherwise... ("Mom, I
ate .87 of my dinner, so can I please have dessert?" Yeah, right - the avg.
8 - 9 year old really uses decimals to the hundredths place.) They finally
dropped that from the 3rd gr. curriculum last year, too - phew. I want them
to have the real basics under their belts first, in gr. K- 3. Otherwise
it's as if the foundations under a building were never finished, but the
rest of the building went up anyway... Not a good plan. The basics
sometimes get squished out at the bottom lately.

Although your joke is funny in its own way (education has plenty of insane
moments - they way the pendulum swings, it drives me nuts), methinks you
don't know the whole story...

Cathy


[color=blue]
>
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1950
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his
> profit?
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1960
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What
> is his profit?
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1970
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1980
>
> A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His
> cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20 Your
> assignment: Underline the number 20.
>
>
> Teaching Math In 1990
>
> A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is
> selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the
> habitat of animals or the preservation of our
> woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of
> $20. What do you think of this way of making a living?
> Topic for class participation after answering the
> question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the
> logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong
> answers.)
>
>
> Teaching Math In 2005
>
> Un ranchero vende una carretera de madera para $100.
> El cuesto de la produccion era $80. Cuantos tortillas
> se puede comprar?
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]

On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:06:34 -0500, "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>news:bph1m218ar8s5ahodnj6bamam2rv8brv2m@4ax.com...[color=green]
>>
>> Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.
>>
>> The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and
>> gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies.
>> While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort
>> and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but when I tried
>> to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.
>>
>> Why do I tell you this?
>>
>> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:[/color]
>
>Math got weird - re: the "New Math" of the late 60's - early 70's. Thank
>goodness, the weirder parts were later ditched, the saner parts retained, &
>we were back to teaching normal ol' math. Except on a higher level, since
>the push for higher standards (which can be great, if common sense is used)
>in the last ten years or so.
>
>Too high, sometimes. For a few years I was required to teach acute, obtuse,
>& right angles to 3rd graders in the geometry unit. Although can be
>interesting/fun, *why*? They (NYS Ed. Dept.) finally dropped that last
>year. I was also required to teach decimals to the hundredths place. Why,
>except for when used in money? Money, makes sense. Otherwise... ("Mom, I
>ate .87 of my dinner, so can I please have dessert?" Yeah, right - the avg.
>8 - 9 year old really uses decimals to the hundredths place.) They finally
>dropped that from the 3rd gr. curriculum last year, too - phew. I want them
>to have the real basics under their belts first, in gr. K- 3. Otherwise
>it's as if the foundations under a building were never finished, but the
>rest of the building went up anyway... Not a good plan. The basics
>sometimes get squished out at the bottom lately.
>
>Although your joke is funny in its own way (education has plenty of insane
>moments - they way the pendulum swings, it drives me nuts), methinks you
>don't know the whole story...
>
>Cathy
>
>[/color]

I have never said I knew everything. What I know is our education
system is horrible.

There are a number of fixes.

1. Get rid of the NEA
2. Get rid of the National Education junk in Washington.
3. Introduce competition into the game (Vouchers is a good start).

4. Bring education back to the local areas.


--

Scott in Florida

Cathy F. wrote:[color=blue]
> methinks [Scott] doesn't know the whole story...[/color]
=====

Scott not know the whole story? Come on now, he
knows the Whole Story. If only Scott were advising
President Bush, we'd win in Iraq tomorrow...

"Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4560d7a1$0$59508$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...[color=blue]
> Cathy F. wrote:[color=green]
>> methinks [Scott] doesn't know the whole story...[/color]
> =====
>
> Scott not know the whole story? Come on now, he
> knows the Whole Story. If only Scott were advising
> President Bush, we'd win in Iraq tomorrow...[/color]

The problems Snott described don't seem to exist here, and I'm talking about
a plain old public school in a middle class neighborhood. Maybe his kids
never actually made it as far as school. Maybe they were wandering off to
have sex with farm animals, just like their dad.

They have to dumb it down so all the liberals won't feel bad about being too
stupid to get a voter ID.


"Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4560d7a1$0$59508$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...[color=blue]
> Cathy F. wrote:[color=green]
>> methinks [Scott] doesn't know the whole story...[/color]
> =====
>
> Scott not know the whole story? Come on now, he
> knows the Whole Story. If only Scott were advising
> President Bush, we'd win in Iraq tomorrow...[/color]

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:lhl1m218bcn6gimjen1c6hsqjcq5ioknef@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:06:34 -0500, "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>news:bph1m218ar8s5ahodnj6bamam2rv8brv2m@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Last week I purchased a burger and fries at McDonalds for $3.58.
>>>
>>> The counter girl took my $4.00 and I pulled 8 cents from my pocket and
>>> gave it to her. She stood there, holding the nickel and 3 pennies.
>>> While looking at the screen on her register, I sensed her discomfort
>>> and tried to tell her to just give me two quarters, but when I tried
>>> to explain the transaction to her, she stood there and cried.
>>>
>>> Why do I tell you this?
>>>
>>> Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:[/color]
>>
>>Math got weird - re: the "New Math" of the late 60's - early 70's. Thank
>>goodness, the weirder parts were later ditched, the saner parts retained,
>>&
>>we were back to teaching normal ol' math. Except on a higher level, since
>>the push for higher standards (which can be great, if common sense is
>>used)
>>in the last ten years or so.
>>
>>Too high, sometimes. For a few years I was required to teach acute,
>>obtuse,
>>& right angles to 3rd graders in the geometry unit. Although can be
>>interesting/fun, *why*? They (NYS Ed. Dept.) finally dropped that last
>>year. I was also required to teach decimals to the hundredths place.
>>Why,
>>except for when used in money? Money, makes sense. Otherwise... ("Mom,
>>I
>>ate .87 of my dinner, so can I please have dessert?" Yeah, right - the
>>avg.
>>8 - 9 year old really uses decimals to the hundredths place.) They
>>finally
>>dropped that from the 3rd gr. curriculum last year, too - phew. I want
>>them
>>to have the real basics under their belts first, in gr. K- 3. Otherwise
>>it's as if the foundations under a building were never finished, but the
>>rest of the building went up anyway... Not a good plan. The basics
>>sometimes get squished out at the bottom lately.
>>
>>Although your joke is funny in its own way (education has plenty of insane
>>moments - they way the pendulum swings, it drives me nuts), methinks you
>>don't know the whole story...
>>
>>Cathy
>>
>>[/color]
>
> I have never said I knew everything. What I know is our education
> system is horrible.[/color]

So... let's base one's opinion on what tiny fragment one knows - or thinks
one knows?
[color=blue]
>
> There are a number of fixes.
>
> 1. Get rid of the NEA[/color]

AFT & state unions? If you think I'm going to agree to to no unions, you're
nuts.
[color=blue]
> 2. Get rid of the National Education junk in Washington.[/color]

NCLB? Good intentions, screwed up.
[color=blue]
> 3. Introduce competition into the game (Vouchers is a good start).[/color]

Nope.
[color=blue]
> 4. Bring education back to the local areas.[/color]

?? No cohesion in curriculum from district-to-district? The state
curriculum has its problems, but... fragment everything down to local
levels? - not a good idea...

Cathy

"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net> wrote in message
news:vPOdnWFQwKfGQv3YnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> 1. Get rid of the NEA[/color]
>
> AFT & state unions? If you think I'm going to agree to to no unions,
> you're nuts.[/color]

The NEA doesn't take the place of unions. Snott objects to NEA because the
organization believes in a level of openness that he finds threatening.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=blue]
> "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4560d7a1$0$59508$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...[color=green]
>> Cathy F. wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> methinks [Scott] doesn't know the whole story...[/color]
>> =====
>>
>> Scott not know the whole story? Come on now, he
>> knows the Whole Story. If only Scott were advising
>> President Bush, we'd win in Iraq tomorrow...[/color]
>
> The problems Snott described don't seem to exist here, and I'm talking about
> a plain old public school in a middle class neighborhood. Maybe his kids
> never actually made it as far as school. Maybe they were wandering off to
> have sex with farm animals, just like their dad.[/color]
=====

Oooh, that's kinda mean. I'm just having fun with the
"Nominal" Scott.

But I can understand your perspective, JoeSpareBedroom.

"Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4560e022$0$59515$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...[color=blue]
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=green]
>> "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4560d7a1$0$59508$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Cathy F. wrote:
>>>> methinks [Scott] doesn't know the whole story...
>>> =====
>>>
>>> Scott not know the whole story? Come on now, he
>>> knows the Whole Story. If only Scott were advising
>>> President Bush, we'd win in Iraq tomorrow...[/color]
>>
>> The problems Snott described don't seem to exist here, and I'm talking
>> about a plain old public school in a middle class neighborhood. Maybe his
>> kids never actually made it as far as school. Maybe they were wandering
>> off to have sex with farm animals, just like their dad.[/color]
> =====
>
> Oooh, that's kinda mean. I'm just having fun with the
> "Nominal" Scott.
>
> But I can understand your perspective, JoeSpareBedroom.[/color]

I'm sure you can. You've seen that 99% of his messages contain nothing but
links to other peoples' articles, followed by a demonstration of his 11 word
vocabulary.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=blue]
> "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4560e022$0$59515$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...[color=green]
>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4560d7a1$0$59508$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
>>>> Cathy F. wrote:
>>>>> methinks [Scott] doesn't know the whole story...
>>>> =====
>>>>
>>>> Scott not know the whole story? Come on now, he
>>>> knows the Whole Story. If only Scott were advising
>>>> President Bush, we'd win in Iraq tomorrow...
>>> The problems Snott described don't seem to exist here, and I'm talking
>>> about a plain old public school in a middle class neighborhood. Maybe his
>>> kids never actually made it as far as school. Maybe they were wandering
>>> off to have sex with farm animals, just like their dad.[/color]
>> =====
>>
>> Oooh, that's kinda mean. I'm just having fun with the
>> "Nominal" Scott.
>>
>> But I can understand your perspective, JoeSpareBedroom.[/color]
>
> I'm sure you can. You've seen that 99% of his messages contain nothing but
> links to other peoples' articles, followed by a demonstration of his 11 word
> vocabulary.[/color]
=====

Yes, but ridiculing someone's family is kind of stepping over
the line. Especially, since Big Oil and Bush are already screwing
over people's families by forcing American families to fight in Iraq.

"Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4560e2f5$0$59515$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...[color=blue]
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=green]
>> "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4560e022$0$59515$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...[color=darkred]
>>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>>>> "Built_Well" <built_well_toyota@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4560d7a1$0$59508$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...
>>>>> Cathy F. wrote:
>>>>>> methinks [Scott] doesn't know the whole story...
>>>>> =====
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott not know the whole story? Come on now, he
>>>>> knows the Whole Story. If only Scott were advising
>>>>> President Bush, we'd win in Iraq tomorrow...
>>>> The problems Snott described don't seem to exist here, and I'm talking
>>>> about a plain old public school in a middle class neighborhood. Maybe
>>>> his kids never actually made it as far as school. Maybe they were
>>>> wandering off to have sex with farm animals, just like their dad.
>>> =====
>>>
>>> Oooh, that's kinda mean. I'm just having fun with the
>>> "Nominal" Scott.
>>>
>>> But I can understand your perspective, JoeSpareBedroom.[/color]
>>
>> I'm sure you can. You've seen that 99% of his messages contain nothing
>> but links to other peoples' articles, followed by a demonstration of his
>> 11 word vocabulary.[/color]
> =====
>
> Yes, but ridiculing someone's family is kind of stepping over
> the line. Especially, since Big Oil and Bush are already screwing
> over people's families by forcing American families to fight in Iraq.[/color]

There is no connection between Bush's behavior, and my presentation of
facts.