Re: Very disappointed with Toyota

I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance item,
except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which uses
replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material, another
thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt to
break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing replacing,
that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large pot-hole,
curb, or anything else which damages a rim).

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:FP4bh.7650$Kw2.6217@trndny05...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:38:50 -0500, Big Blue wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> Like I said before my wife's the Toyota person, I'm more of a Honda
>> person, but anyway to make sure I'm happy every night we have bought
>> 2001 Toyota Corolla and recently 2007 Toyota Camry SE V6.
>>
>> Ok, my wife had a 1990 Toyota Corolla and never have a problem. We
>> drove it till 300,000 miles and never had to do anything outside of
>> maintainence. So I say, ok, I'm convinced, what can go wrong with
>> Toyota? So we bought a 2001 Toyota Corolla next. What a mistake.[/color]
>
> Well, the Engine belt (Timing Belt, or the Accessory belt...?) were bound
> to be replaced too, and fall under 'normal maintenance', as does the
> battery. Almost 6 years is good for a battery.
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> Of course it's cool until it reachs 100,000 miles, then all hell broke
>> loose (shouldn't this only happen to Ford cars?) First I needed a new
>> engine belt. Then my battery died so I put in a new battery. Next, my
>> check engine light came on and it turned out I needed a new catalytic
>> converter ($1500 bill), and now my check engine light came on again and
>> now it needs a new O2 sensor. Oh, and I had to replace one of the tire
>> rim because my car's bouncing.[/color]
>
> Yeah, the cat is a pain, isn't it' I have 20 YO cat's on two of my 'Yotas.
> But I guess I was lucky!
>
> And if the Cat went, that might explain the O2 sensor, although they
> sometimes need replacing at 100,000. But, I never replaced the O2 sensor
> in my '85 Corolla, either...
>
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> Horrible, 1990 no problem, 2001 a piece of junk. I just pray that 2007
>> Camry will be more like 1990 instead of 2001. What happened to Toyota
>> factory?[/color]
>
>
> Before you call it a piece of junk, you're really talking a lot of
> maintenance items. How it is on rust? squeaks and rattles? Trim falling
> off? Major items needing repair (Bad PS pump, water pump, head gasket,
> etc?)
>
> Also, out of curiostiy, what is the first letter or number of the VIN? "J"
> means Japan, 4 Means US and 2 means Canada.[/color]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:30:13 GMT, ": P" <none@none.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance item,
>except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
>lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which uses
>replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material, another
>thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt to
>break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing replacing,
>that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large pot-hole,
>curb, or anything else which damages a rim).[/color]

O2 sensor are expected to break? Battery are expected to die? Tire
Rim are expected to fall apart? CAT converter are expected to be
replace? Engine belt are expected to break?

I must have miss all that from my 1999 Odessey, still going strong
with no replacements necessary. I guess Honda must have found some
alien technology that they didn't tell the rest of the world yet.
[color=blue]
>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>news:FP4bh.7650$Kw2.6217@trndny05...[color=green]
>> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:38:50 -0500, Big Blue wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Like I said before my wife's the Toyota person, I'm more of a Honda
>>> person, but anyway to make sure I'm happy every night we have bought
>>> 2001 Toyota Corolla and recently 2007 Toyota Camry SE V6.
>>>
>>> Ok, my wife had a 1990 Toyota Corolla and never have a problem. We
>>> drove it till 300,000 miles and never had to do anything outside of
>>> maintainence. So I say, ok, I'm convinced, what can go wrong with
>>> Toyota? So we bought a 2001 Toyota Corolla next. What a mistake.[/color]
>>
>> Well, the Engine belt (Timing Belt, or the Accessory belt...?) were bound
>> to be replaced too, and fall under 'normal maintenance', as does the
>> battery. Almost 6 years is good for a battery.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Of course it's cool until it reachs 100,000 miles, then all hell broke
>>> loose (shouldn't this only happen to Ford cars?) First I needed a new
>>> engine belt. Then my battery died so I put in a new battery. Next, my
>>> check engine light came on and it turned out I needed a new catalytic
>>> converter ($1500 bill), and now my check engine light came on again and
>>> now it needs a new O2 sensor. Oh, and I had to replace one of the tire
>>> rim because my car's bouncing.[/color]
>>
>> Yeah, the cat is a pain, isn't it' I have 20 YO cat's on two of my 'Yotas.
>> But I guess I was lucky!
>>
>> And if the Cat went, that might explain the O2 sensor, although they
>> sometimes need replacing at 100,000. But, I never replaced the O2 sensor
>> in my '85 Corolla, either...
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Horrible, 1990 no problem, 2001 a piece of junk. I just pray that 2007
>>> Camry will be more like 1990 instead of 2001. What happened to Toyota
>>> factory?[/color]
>>
>>
>> Before you call it a piece of junk, you're really talking a lot of
>> maintenance items. How it is on rust? squeaks and rattles? Trim falling
>> off? Major items needing repair (Bad PS pump, water pump, head gasket,
>> etc?)
>>
>> Also, out of curiostiy, what is the first letter or number of the VIN? "J"
>> means Japan, 4 Means US and 2 means Canada.[/color]
>[/color]

On 28 Nov 2006 21:03:30 -0800, "Eric" <ericmark4@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>: P wrote:[color=green]
>> I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance item,
>> except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
>> lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which uses
>> replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material, another
>> thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt to
>> break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing replacing,
>> that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large pot-hole,
>> curb, or anything else which damages a rim).
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:FP4bh.7650$Kw2.6217@trndny05...[color=darkred]
>> > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 19:38:50 -0500, Big Blue wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Like I said before my wife's the Toyota person, I'm more of a Honda
>> >> person, but anyway to make sure I'm happy every night we have bought
>> >> 2001 Toyota Corolla and recently 2007 Toyota Camry SE V6.
>> >>
>> >> Ok, my wife had a 1990 Toyota Corolla and never have a problem. We
>> >> drove it till 300,000 miles and never had to do anything outside of
>> >> maintainence. So I say, ok, I'm convinced, what can go wrong with
>> >> Toyota? So we bought a 2001 Toyota Corolla next. What a mistake.
>> >
>> > Well, the Engine belt (Timing Belt, or the Accessory belt...?) were bound
>> > to be replaced too, and fall under 'normal maintenance', as does the
>> > battery. Almost 6 years is good for a battery.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Of course it's cool until it reachs 100,000 miles, then all hell broke
>> >> loose (shouldn't this only happen to Ford cars?) First I needed a new
>> >> engine belt. Then my battery died so I put in a new battery. Next, my
>> >> check engine light came on and it turned out I needed a new catalytic
>> >> converter ($1500 bill), and now my check engine light came on again and
>> >> now it needs a new O2 sensor. Oh, and I had to replace one of the tire
>> >> rim because my car's bouncing.
>> >
>> > Yeah, the cat is a pain, isn't it' I have 20 YO cat's on two of my 'Yotas.
>> > But I guess I was lucky!
>> >
>> > And if the Cat went, that might explain the O2 sensor, although they
>> > sometimes need replacing at 100,000. But, I never replaced the O2 sensor
>> > in my '85 Corolla, either...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Horrible, 1990 no problem, 2001 a piece of junk. I just pray that 2007
>> >> Camry will be more like 1990 instead of 2001. What happened to Toyota
>> >> factory?
>> >
>> >
>> > Before you call it a piece of junk, you're really talking a lot of
>> > maintenance items. How it is on rust? squeaks and rattles? Trim falling
>> > off? Major items needing repair (Bad PS pump, water pump, head gasket,
>> > etc?)
>> >
>> > Also, out of curiostiy, what is the first letter or number of the VIN? "J"
>> > means Japan, 4 Means US and 2 means Canada.[/color][/color]
>
>
>Also, I'm nearly certain the '01 Corolla has a timing chain, not a
>belt. Toyota switched from timing belt to chain with the 8th generation
>models that debuted in 1998.
>
>I am curious as to which belt the OP had to replace. I agree with the
>other posters: Everything but the catalytic converter is simple wear
>and tear, to be expected.
>
>ERM[/color]

Ok guys. Note to self: when you get a Toyota save up for O2 Sensor, a
belt, CAT converter, battery, and tire rims. Those are "expected" to
break. Shame on Honda for not breaking all these years.

"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sk8qm2te8i70nei5mjn0ulv3sa16hhble1@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:30:13 GMT, ": P" <none@none.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance item,
>>except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
>>lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which uses
>>replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material,
>>another
>>thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt to
>>break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing replacing,
>>that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large pot-hole,
>>curb, or anything else which damages a rim).[/color]
>
> O2 sensor are expected to break?[/color]
No, you were unlucky in that respect.

Battery are expected to die?
After five years? Yes, they do die in that time...or less.

Tire Rim are expected to fall apart?
Face it...it didn't fall apart. Rims don't fall apart unless the driver
has hit something very hard like a pothole or a curb. It was damaged in
driving.

CAT converter are expected to be[color=blue]
> replace?[/color]
No, again, you were perhaps unlucky. Into each life a little rain must
fall.

Engine belt are expected to break?
When you purchased the Corolla, the owner's manual clearly states the
need to replace the timing belt (if it's not a chain) and rubber parts do
deteriorate over time. You might have known that up front by reading the
manual. There's an old code word "RTFM" which stands for
Read the F***ing Manual. Maybe you didn't.[color=blue]
>
> I must have miss all that from my 1999 Odessey, still going strong
> with no replacements necessary. I guess Honda must have found some
> alien technology that they didn't tell the rest of the world yet.[/color]
You haven't mentioned the brake pads or radiator hoses or water pump,
so their replacement should fortify your argument ...also, have you had to
replace your tires after 100K miles?
Next time perhaps you should get a Honda ...or if you really want an
education in automotive longevity, get a Cadillac Catera, and if your engine
lasts over 35,000 miles, you should feel really lucky.
[color=blue]
>[/color]

Big Blue wrote:
[color=blue]
> Ok guys. Note to self: when you get a Toyota save up for O2 Sensor, a
> belt, CAT converter, battery, and tire rims. Those are "expected" to
> break. Shame on Honda for not breaking all these years.[/color]

my 1998 civic, bought new needed an O2 sensor after about 6 years. $220
at the dealer, just for the part. 10 minutes for me to change it. i got
rid of it before the timing belt was due, and bought a scion xA.

Big Blue wrote:[color=blue]
> O2 sensor are expected to break? Battery are expected to die? Tire
> Rim are expected to fall apart? CAT converter are expected to be
> replace? Engine belt are expected to break?[/color]

yes, eventually. belts break, sensors wear out, batteries get weak. i
dont know what you mean about the "rim falling apart"[color=blue]
>
> I must have miss all that from my 1999 Odessey, still going strong
> with no replacements necessary. I guess Honda must have found some
> alien technology that they didn't tell the rest of the world yet.[/color]

youve just been living a charmed life. i suppose you 1999 odyssey has
the original oil, filters, and spark plugs in it?

SoCalMike wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I must have miss all that from my 1999 Odessey, still going strong
>> with no replacements necessary. I guess Honda must have found some
>> alien technology that they didn't tell the rest of the world yet.[/color]
>
> youve just been living a charmed life. i suppose you 1999 odyssey has
> the original oil, filters, and spark plugs in it?[/color]

And transmission.

"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sk8qm2te8i70nei5mjn0ulv3sa16hhble1@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:30:13 GMT, ": P" <none@none.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance item,
>>except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
>>lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which uses
>>replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material,
>>another
>>thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt to
>>break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing replacing,
>>that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large pot-hole,
>>curb, or anything else which damages a rim).[/color]
>
> O2 sensor are expected to break? Battery are expected to die? Tire
> Rim are expected to fall apart? CAT converter are expected to be
> replace? Engine belt are expected to break?[/color]

Your either stupid, or too young to have any perspective on this issue.
Batteries get old. Belts get old and wear out because they're subjected to
constant heat and friction. The other items - maybe you have something to
bitch about, although I have doubts about the rim.

Surely it's time some gorm contributed a bit of alarmist babbling
about hybrids' main batteries being unreliable? (Or maybe Mike H
has already done his usual party piece. If so, pass.)
--
Andrew Stephenson

"Andrew Stephenson" <ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1164824071snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk...[color=blue]
> Surely it's time some gorm contributed a bit of alarmist babbling
> about hybrids' main batteries being unreliable? (Or maybe Mike H
> has already done his usual party piece. If so, pass.)
> --
> Andrew Stephenson
>[/color]

:-)

So many children have been killed by hybrid batteries.....

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:23:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:sk8qm2te8i70nei5mjn0ulv3sa16hhble1@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:30:13 GMT, ": P" <none@none.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance item,
>>>except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
>>>lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which uses
>>>replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material,
>>>another
>>>thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt to
>>>break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing replacing,
>>>that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large pot-hole,
>>>curb, or anything else which damages a rim).[/color]
>>
>> O2 sensor are expected to break? Battery are expected to die? Tire
>> Rim are expected to fall apart? CAT converter are expected to be
>> replace? Engine belt are expected to break?[/color]
>
>Your either stupid, or too young to have any perspective on this issue.
>Batteries get old. Belts get old and wear out because they're subjected to
>constant heat and friction. The other items - maybe you have something to
>bitch about, although I have doubts about the rim.
>[/color]

Like I said morons, my Honda Odessey, 1999, 150,000 and the battery is
still going strong. No sensor replacement, no need to change engine
belt, and no it doesn't need a new CAT coverter either.

Toyota, #1 car in reliablity, Ha... It's as worthless as my 1994
Hyundai Excel that fell apart in weeks.

OK, I'll trade you a 94 Excel for an 01 Corolla... where do I sign up?



Big Blue wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:23:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:sk8qm2te8i70nei5mjn0ulv3sa16hhble1@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
> >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:30:13 GMT, ": P" <none@none.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance item,
> >>>except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
> >>>lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which uses
> >>>replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material,
> >>>another
> >>>thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt to
> >>>break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing replacing,
> >>>that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large pot-hole,
> >>>curb, or anything else which damages a rim).
> >>
> >> O2 sensor are expected to break? Battery are expected to die? Tire
> >> Rim are expected to fall apart? CAT converter are expected to be
> >> replace? Engine belt are expected to break?[/color]
> >
> >Your either stupid, or too young to have any perspective on this issue.
> >Batteries get old. Belts get old and wear out because they're subjected to
> >constant heat and friction. The other items - maybe you have something to
> >bitch about, although I have doubts about the rim.
> >[/color]
>
> Like I said morons, my Honda Odessey, 1999, 150,000 and the battery is
> still going strong. No sensor replacement, no need to change engine
> belt, and no it doesn't need a new CAT coverter either.
>
> Toyota, #1 car in reliablity, Ha... It's as worthless as my 1994
> Hyundai Excel that fell apart in weeks.[/color]

"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vatrm2hv7194jkh1r6gc30h0jkc2dploeh@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:23:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:sk8qm2te8i70nei5mjn0ulv3sa16hhble1@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:30:13 GMT, ": P" <none@none.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance item,
>>>>except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
>>>>lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which
>>>>uses
>>>>replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material,
>>>>another
>>>>thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt
>>>>to
>>>>break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing
>>>>replacing,
>>>>that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large pot-hole,
>>>>curb, or anything else which damages a rim).
>>>
>>> O2 sensor are expected to break? Battery are expected to die? Tire
>>> Rim are expected to fall apart? CAT converter are expected to be
>>> replace? Engine belt are expected to break?[/color]
>>
>>Your either stupid, or too young to have any perspective on this issue.
>>Batteries get old. Belts get old and wear out because they're subjected to
>>constant heat and friction. The other items - maybe you have something to
>>bitch about, although I have doubts about the rim.
>>[/color]
>
> Like I said morons, my Honda Odessey, 1999, 150,000 and the battery is
> still going strong. No sensor replacement, no need to change engine
> belt, and no it doesn't need a new CAT coverter either.[/color]

Which belt are you referring to, meat sock? There's more than one.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:17:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:vatrm2hv7194jkh1r6gc30h0jkc2dploeh@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:23:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:sk8qm2te8i70nei5mjn0ulv3sa16hhble1@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:30:13 GMT, ": P" <none@none.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance item,
>>>>>except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
>>>>>lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which
>>>>>uses
>>>>>replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material,
>>>>>another
>>>>>thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt
>>>>>to
>>>>>break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing
>>>>>replacing,
>>>>>that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large pot-hole,
>>>>>curb, or anything else which damages a rim).
>>>>
>>>> O2 sensor are expected to break? Battery are expected to die? Tire
>>>> Rim are expected to fall apart? CAT converter are expected to be
>>>> replace? Engine belt are expected to break?
>>>
>>>Your either stupid, or too young to have any perspective on this issue.
>>>Batteries get old. Belts get old and wear out because they're subjected to
>>>constant heat and friction. The other items - maybe you have something to
>>>bitch about, although I have doubts about the rim.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Like I said morons, my Honda Odessey, 1999, 150,000 and the battery is
>> still going strong. No sensor replacement, no need to change engine
>> belt, and no it doesn't need a new CAT coverter either.[/color]
>
>Which belt are you referring to, meat sock? There's more than one.
>[/color]

Gosh you toyota ass kissers are so sensitive.

"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ah1sm2p14r19fs60e3kq1rg1c3rn7heqe1@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:17:47 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:vatrm2hv7194jkh1r6gc30h0jkc2dploeh@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:23:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>>> <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:sk8qm2te8i70nei5mjn0ulv3sa16hhble1@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:30:13 GMT, ": P" <none@none.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm in agreement here! Everything you mentioned is a maintenance
>>>>>>item,
>>>>>>except for the cat. Batteries don't last forever. You're lucky yours
>>>>>>lasted as long as it did. Also, Toyota isn't the only company which
>>>>>>uses
>>>>>>replaceable belts for the engine. They're of a synthetic material,
>>>>>>another
>>>>>>thing which won't last forever. At least you didn't wait for the belt
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>break and cause other engine damage. As far as the rim needing
>>>>>>replacing,
>>>>>>that's a problem caused by the driver hitting something (large
>>>>>>pot-hole,
>>>>>>curb, or anything else which damages a rim).
>>>>>
>>>>> O2 sensor are expected to break? Battery are expected to die? Tire
>>>>> Rim are expected to fall apart? CAT converter are expected to be
>>>>> replace? Engine belt are expected to break?
>>>>
>>>>Your either stupid, or too young to have any perspective on this issue.
>>>>Batteries get old. Belts get old and wear out because they're subjected
>>>>to
>>>>constant heat and friction. The other items - maybe you have something
>>>>to
>>>>bitch about, although I have doubts about the rim.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Like I said morons, my Honda Odessey, 1999, 150,000 and the battery is
>>> still going strong. No sensor replacement, no need to change engine
>>> belt, and no it doesn't need a new CAT coverter either.[/color]
>>
>>Which belt are you referring to, meat sock? There's more than one.
>>[/color]
>
> Gosh you toyota ass kissers are so sensitive.[/color]

Methinks someone posted with at least a semi-purpose of trolling...

Cathy
[color=blue]
>[/color]