OT - Iraqi leader snubs Bush

Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan. Gee,
I wonder how much the war cost the US today........
Another great Republican investment.

Art, 11/29/2006,7:51:55 PM, wrote:
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> Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan.
> Gee, I wonder how much the war cost the US today........ Another
> great Republican investment.[/color]

Yeah, you're right. It's time to cut and run from Iraq and let the
entire region go into chaos. The Democrats seem to have all the
answers and they surely will know what to do then. Somalia was a great
example of Democratic military achievements. Maybe we can copy the way
we handled that country.

In article <LWpbh.4623$sf5.2650@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan. Gee,
> I wonder how much the war cost the US today........
> Another great Republican investment.[/color]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Bush may just have had second
thoughts about him.
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"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:LWpbh.4623$sf5.2650@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan.
> Gee, I wonder how much the war cost the US today........
> Another great Republican investment.[/color]

Stop wondering, and don't worry. We've won their hearts and minds.

2871 US soldiers, 247 Coalition soldiers, and approximately 48,775 to 54,134
Iraqi civilians have been killed in Iraq from the beginning of the war and
occupation to November 24.

4486 Iraqi police and guardsmen have been killed since January 2005,
according to an estimate compiled from news reports.

American soldiers killed between November 18-24:

Specialist Bradley N. Shilling, 22, Stanwood, Michigan | Lance Corporal
Jeremy S. Shock, 22, Tiffin, Ohio | Specialist Eric Vizcaino, 21, New Mexico
| Command Sergeant Major Donovan E. Watts, 46, Atlanta, Georgia | Sergeant
James P. Musack, 23, Riverside, Iowa | Lance Corporal Joshua C. Alonzo, 21,
Dumas, Texas | Private Reece D. Moreno, 19, Prescott, Arizona

Sources: US Department of Defense, [url]www.icasualties.org[/url],
[url]www.iraqbodycount.net[/url]

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> badgolferman wrote:[color=green]
>> Art, 11/29/2006,7:51:55 PM, wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan.
>> > Gee, I wonder how much the war cost the US today........ Another
>> > great Republican investment.[/color]
>>
>> Yeah, you're right. It's time to c[/color]
>
> BLAH BLAH BLAH. You want to send 500,000 troops over there so we can
> clean that mess up the way it needs to be done?
>
> Me too. That _will_ get the job done right. Not just a quick fix,
> either.
>
> Where are we going to get the kids to fight that war, John Wayne?
>[/color]

I'm confused. You're talking to Ethel Merman, and calling her John Wayne?

" dbu," <repubs@waitfor08.com> wrote in message
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> In article <LWpbh.4623$sf5.2650@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan.
>> Gee,
>> I wonder how much the war cost the US today........
>> Another great Republican investment.[/color]
>
> I wouldn't be so sure about that. Bush may just have had second
> thoughts about him.
> --
>[/color]

Please....Bush hasn't had his first thought about his toenails in 20 years.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0euaxqm18k4jk000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> Art, 11/29/2006,7:51:55 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan.
>> Gee, I wonder how much the war cost the US today........ Another
>> great Republican investment.[/color]
>
> Yeah, you're right. It's time to cut and run from Iraq and let the
> entire region go into chaos. The Democrats seem to have all the
> answers and they surely will know what to do then. Somalia was a great
> example of Democratic military achievements. Maybe we can copy the way
> we handled that country.[/color]

Why not wait & see what recommendations the Iraq study group has agreed
upon, when they announce them next week? And then wait & see what the
admin. does in light of those recommendations?

Cathy

"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net> wrote in message
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>
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0euaxqm18k4jk000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
>> Art, 11/29/2006,7:51:55 PM, wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan.
>>> Gee, I wonder how much the war cost the US today........ Another
>>> great Republican investment.[/color]
>>
>> Yeah, you're right. It's time to cut and run from Iraq and let the
>> entire region go into chaos. The Democrats seem to have all the
>> answers and they surely will know what to do then. Somalia was a great
>> example of Democratic military achievements. Maybe we can copy the way
>> we handled that country.[/color]
>
> Why not wait & see what recommendations the Iraq study group has agreed
> upon, when they announce them next week? And then wait & see what the
> admin. does in light of those recommendations?
>
> Cathy[/color]

I think you'll find that things are going to develop faster than that study
group can prepare any sort of presentation.

Cathy F. wrote:[color=blue]
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0euaxqm18k4jk000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
> > Art, 11/29/2006,7:51:55 PM, wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan.
> >> Gee, I wonder how much the war cost the US today........ Another
> >> great Republican investment.[/color]
> >
> > Yeah, you're right. It's time to cut and run from Iraq and let the
> > entire region go into chaos. The Democrats seem to have all the
> > answers and they surely will know what to do then. Somalia was a great
> > example of Democratic military achievements. Maybe we can copy the way
> > we handled that country.[/color]
>
> Why not wait & see what recommendations the Iraq study group has agreed
> upon, when they announce them next week? And then wait & see what the
> admin. does in light of those recommendations?[/color]

Then we can sing koom bay yah with the lady who protests nuclear arms
on Pennsylvania Ave. if things don't work out!

We don't have time for Bush I bureaucratic nonsense unless it means
maybe a 500,000 strong force that is 20% US and is led by a
western-arab-persian-orthodox alliance where we're not the sole boss
anymore.

Cathy F., 11/29/2006,8:50:42 PM, wrote:
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>
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0euaxqm18k4jk000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
> > Art, 11/29/2006,7:51:55 PM, wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in
> > > Jordan. Gee, I wonder how much the war cost the US today........
> > > Another great Republican investment.[/color]
> >
> > Yeah, you're right. It's time to cut and run from Iraq and let the
> > entire region go into chaos. The Democrats seem to have all the
> > answers and they surely will know what to do then. Somalia was a
> > great example of Democratic military achievements. Maybe we can
> > copy the way we handled that country.[/color]
>
> Why not wait & see what recommendations the Iraq study group has
> agreed upon, when they announce them next week? And then wait & see
> what the admin. does in light of those recommendations?
>
> Cathy[/color]

They have already been dropping hints with their so-called "leaks" as
to what they will recommend. They are trying to find a face-saving way
of getting out of Iraq at the expense of the Iraqi people and to the
benefit of Iran and Syria. If we get out of Iraq before there is some
sort of order there the American people will end up being the biggest
losers of all.

--
"The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both
national parties." ~ Patrick J. Buchanan

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0euaxqm18k4jk000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> Art, 11/29/2006,7:51:55 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Iraqi leader decided not to bother meeting with Bush today in Jordan.
>> Gee, I wonder how much the war cost the US today........ Another
>> great Republican investment.[/color]
>
> Yeah, you're right. It's time to cut and run from Iraq and let the
> entire region go into chaos. The Democrats seem to have all the
> answers and they surely will know what to do then. Somalia was a great
> example of Democratic military achievements. Maybe we can copy the way
> we handled that country.[/color]

Clinton realized that Somalia would take a lot of troops, he realized that
he had erred a little in sending too small a force and erred greatly in
sending troops somewhere where our interests were not at stake. Pulling out
was smart.

And don't be a hypocrite. You KNOW what's needed: Troops and lots of them.
Many people know this. Unless he has himself entirely surrounded by nothing
but morons and cretins (I must admit, this is possible), the President knows
this. Did he ever develop the stones to tell The People what is needed?
Nope. It was "we're going to stay the course" and "we never said, 'we're
going to stay the course.'"

I'm pretty sure the President - or Rove or The Dark Lord - threw the
election deliberately. Even while I volunteered for Democrat campaigns, I
had mixed feelings about a Democrat majority in Congress and I'm liking the
prospect less as we go along. This was discussed at the local party office;
others felt the same way. However, it was felt that the greater risk was to
allow the Administration to further erode out liberties, so we worked.

And I think we were right to be concerned... From backing off "stay the
course" just before the election, the Administration's rhetoric has returned
to "stay the course," and we have now drifted into some troop increases.

The President - or Rove or The Dark Lord - intends to turn this into an echo
of Vietnam. Their plan is to allow the Administration to be dragged,
kicking and screaming "don't throw me into that briar patch," OUT of Iraq
and the chant for decades to come will be "we lost because of 'cut and run'
Democrats." In 20 years, you'll see bumper stickers that say, "Iraq - we
were winning when I left."

And it's all bogus because the only "plan" the President has the stones for
is "stay the course," he'd never ask for the troop levels that would give us
a chance for a "win."

Now, I will say, that in the "stay the course" plan for failure, Abizaid's
plan enhancement - to add 20K troops dedicated to training and supporting
Iraqi national forces - is the best Band-Aid we can put on the situation and
I think that's the best deployment of all the resources the President will
allow.

The Administration bungled this from start to finish and their ONLY goal
since mid 2003 has been to pin the blame on someone else. It's ironic that
a thin, veto-vulnerable Democrat majority in Congress gives them the
scapegoat they need.



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"dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
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> And don't be a hypocrite. You KNOW what's needed: Troops and lots of
> them. Many people know this. Unless he has himself entirely surrounded by
> nothing but morons and cretins (I must admit, this is possible), the
> President knows this.[/color]

He's surrounded by some relatively smart people. Unfortunately, he doesn't
listen to them. Rather, he's getting his ideas in the same way as David
Berkowitz, the serial killer. Berkowitz got his from a dog, right? Bush gets
his from god. Same nonsense. He has no business running a country based on
faith.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> dh, 11/29/2006,9:52:55 PM, wrote:
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>> The Administration bungled this from start to finish[/color]
>
> I agree with this, but not for the same reasons you state. The problem
> was and continues to be that there hasn't been enough force applied to
> the insurgency/secterian/terrorist-backed forces. If places like
> Fallujah and other hotspots had been leveled before they gained legs we
> wouldn't have been at this point. By not acting and only reacting to
> their antics we have emboldened them and they can claim victory over us
> weak-willed Americans.[/color]

Sure. Send inadequate troops but level their towns to make up for it. That
will win hearts and minds. Have you noticed how well excessive force has
worked for the Israelis?

The premise for the war was entirely false. The Administration had reasons
to know it was wrong and went ahead, anyway. They sent Powell to the UN
with his ass catching the breeze. We would not be in this situation today
if we had left Saddam to rot in isolation.

Rumsfeld fired the guy who told him his plan for invasion was wrong. Then
he fired the guy who told him the guy who told him he was wrong was right.
The Administration backed Rumsfeld all the way. Rumsfeld found Tommy Franks
to be his yes-man and put him in charge as long as he agreed to do the job
with 150,000 troops. Franks agreed. We didn't have enough troops to pacify
Fallujah and HOLD it and we didn't have enough troops to secure Saddam's
armories.

L. Paul Bremer let the Iraqi army go home, unpaid, with their weapons. The
Army leadership was not advised of this in advance and they weren't happy
about it. We could have paid (i.e., bribed) the Iraqi army to support the
new government. We didn't. Bremer's Baathist purge went far too deep and
was completely unrealistic. He was warned, he did it anyway.

Bremer, Tenet and Franks got Medals of Freedom. Iraq got a civil war. Bush
got reelected, probably because some people think gay people shouldn't fall
in love and marry and they came out big to save marriage and the family. A
noticeable percentage of those voters have sinced divorced. More will.
Many of their children will not marry prior to procreation. They will
rationalize this.

The President is now over in Jordan to ask Maliki what Maliki intends to do
to quell the violence. What will Maliki do? What can Maliki do? He
doesn't have an army. He doesn't have a government that anybody thinks is
legitimate. Hell, he's a hero just for showing up for work every day. He's
got a huge target on his back.

The Iraqis still think we're there to steal their oil. It's popular
propaganda all over the Muslim world. That wins hearts and minds. This
was a predictable outcome of invading Iraq.

The President agrees we should be energy-independent. He hasn't done
anything about it. Who'd give a rat's ass about Iraq if not for oil?
Carter was a voice crying in the wilderness about energy independence in
1977. Did anybody listen? Would the oil-rich Islamic states be supporting
terrorists if they were getting pennies per barrel for their oil? No.
They'd have to get jobs and build real economies. Our energy dependece
gives credence to the "steal the oil" propaganda.

And the President has never leveled with the American People and told them
what's really required. All we had to do was spend money and boost the
economy. The all-volunteer army would take care of everything else. Oh,
and you can have tax-cuts, too. Side rant: The President bungled
EVERYTHING. During the campaign here, Republican rhetoric focused on making
the "Bush tax cuts permanent." Like over-taxation is our chief problem.
The Chinese are sitting on 2 TRILLION dollars of ours. They're financing
our annual deficit of $300billion PLUS. Anytime they like, they can stop
buying T-Bills. Do you know what happens then? Interest rates rise. Fast.
Debt service on the National Debt is already one of the largest items in the
Federal budget. What happens when it doubles? The President has basically
increased our exposure to potential Chinese extortion. Why do you think the
Republicans have backed off their support of Taiwanese independence? They
needed the PRC to fund their tax cuts. They knew it and they did it anyway.

We needed the several hundred thousand troops Shinsecki said we needed.
Rumsfeld was and is an idiot. Bush backed him all the way.

Start to finish. The Administration bungled the war. We will NOT make
friends with the Iraqis (Bush Administration stated goal/outcome of the war:
Iraq is an ally) by leveling their towns.

Bush would not tell the people what was needed. He was a craven coward in
the '60's, willing to cheer for the war but not to fight it and he's a
craven coward now, willing to cheer for the war but not to fight it.
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> --
> Politicians, like diapers, have to be changed frequently - and for the
> very same reason.[/color]

Some politicians. Yep.



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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=blue]
> "dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
> news:456e3abf$0$608$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>[color=green]
> > And don't be a hypocrite. You KNOW what's needed: Troops and lots of
> > them. Many people know this. Unless he has himself entirely surrounded by
> > nothing but morons and cretins (I must admit, this is possible), the
> > President knows this.[/color]
>
> He's surrounded by some relatively smart people. Unfortunately, he doesn't
> listen to them. Rather, he's getting his ideas in the same way as David
> Berkowitz, the serial killer. Berkowitz got his from a dog, right? Bush gets
> his from god. Same nonsense. He has no business running a country based on
> faith.[/color]

I don't see where he has faith -- maybe a bit of narcissism, mixed in
with antisocial personality disorder, and general stupid-ness. Faith?
What does he have faith in? Talk about a red herring.

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:[color=green]
>> "dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
>> news:456e3abf$0$608$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>>[color=darkred]
>> > And don't be a hypocrite. You KNOW what's needed: Troops and lots of
>> > them. Many people know this. Unless he has himself entirely surrounded
>> > by
>> > nothing but morons and cretins (I must admit, this is possible), the
>> > President knows this.[/color]
>>
>> He's surrounded by some relatively smart people. Unfortunately, he
>> doesn't
>> listen to them. Rather, he's getting his ideas in the same way as David
>> Berkowitz, the serial killer. Berkowitz got his from a dog, right? Bush
>> gets
>> his from god. Same nonsense. He has no business running a country based
>> on
>> faith.[/color]
>
> I don't see where he has faith -- maybe a bit of narcissism, mixed in
> with antisocial personality disorder, and general stupid-ness. Faith?
> What does he have faith in? Talk about a red herring.[/color]

Bush has a graduate degree from a major university. WHAT do you have, little
man?

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