OT Dims vs Republican's .... Republicans win! Dims are classless!

I flew 4 Presidential support missions in the DC-141 out of Dover AFB,
DE. Two for President Johnson and two for President Nixon. Johnson was
a first class jerk and on the two occasions I flew for him, if the
Secret Service and their Liaison in the Pentagon hadn't intervened, we
would have had to stay on the airplane for hours while he (Johnson)
was off somewhere.

Nixon never required that and the four (4) stops we made with him he
was cordial to the Secret Service and to me and my crew. Denny Keast:
We had a neighbor when I lived in DC who was part of the secret
service presidential detail for many years. His stories of Kennedy
and Johnson were the same as those I heard from the guys who flew the
presidents' plane.BR> Yes, Kennedy did have Marilyn Monroe flown in
for secret "dates," and LBJ was a typical Texas "good ole boy"
womanizer. Nixon, Bush 41, and Carter never cheated on their wives.
Clinton cheated, but couldn't match Kennedy or LBJ in style or
variety.

The information below is accurate: The elder Bush and current
president Bush make it a point to thank and take care of the air crews
who fly them around. When the president flies, there are several
planes that also go one carries the armored limo, another the security
detail, plus usually a press aircraft. Both Bush's made it a point to
stay home on holidays, so the Air Force and security people could have
a day with their families.

WHAT WAS: Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally abusive to her
security detail. She forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from exchanging
pleasantries with them. Sometimes Chelsea, miffed at her mother's
obvious conceit and mean spiritedness ignored her demands and
exchanged pleasantries regardless, but never in her mother's presence.
Chelsea really was a nice, kindhearted, and lovely young lady. The
consensus opinion was that Chelsea loved her Mom but did not like her.
Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and abrasive to those who were
charged to protect her life. Her security detail dutifully did their
job, as professionals should, but they all loathed her and wanted to
be on a different detail. Hillary Clinton was despised by the Secret
Service as a whole.

Former President Bill Clinton was much more amiable than his wife.
Often the Secret Service would cringe at the verbal attacks Hillary
would use against her husband. They were embarrassed for his sake by
the manner and frequency in which she verbally insulted him, sometimes
in the presence of the Secret Service, and sometimes behind closed
doors. Even behind closed doors Hillary Clinton would scream and
holler so loudly that everyone could hear what she was saying.

Many felt sorry for President Clinton and most wondered why he
tolerated it instead of just divorcing his "attack dog" wife. It was
crystal clear that the Clinton's neither liked nor respected each
other and this was true long before the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
Theirs was genuinely a "Marriage of convenience."

Chelsea was much closer to her father than her mother, even after the
Lewinsky scandal, which hurt her gravely. Bill Clinton did in fact
have charisma, and occasionally would smile at or shake hands with his
security detail. Still, he always displayed an obvious air of
superiority towards them. His security detail uniformly believed him
to be disingenuous, false, and that he did nothing without a motive
that in some way would enhance his image and political career. He was
polite, but not kind. They did not particularly like him and nobody
trusted him.

WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton.
They were more friendly toward each other than either of them were
towards former President Clinton. They were not intimate, so please
don't read that in. They were very close in a political way. Tipper
Gore was generally nice and pleasant. She initially liked Hillary but
soon after the election she had her "pegged" and no longer liked her
or associated with her except for events that were politically
obligatory. Al Gore was far more left wing than Bill Clinton. Al Gore
resented Bill Clinton and thought he was too "centrist." He despised
all Republicans. His hatred was bitter and this was long before he
announced for the Presidency. This hatred was something that he and
Hillary had in common. They often said as much, even in the presence
of their security detail. Net her of them trusted Bill Clinton and,
the Secret Service opined, neither of them even liked Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton did have some good qualities, whereas Al Gore and Hillary
had none, in the view of their security details. Al Gore, like
Hillary, was very rude and arrogant toward his security detail. He
was extremely unappreciative and would not hesitate to scold them in
the presence of their peers for minor details over which they had no
control. Al Gore also looked down on them, as they finally observed
and learned with certainty on one occasion. Al got angry at his
offspring and pointed at his security detail and said, "Do you want to
grow up and be like them?" Word of this insult by the former
Vice-President quickly spread and he became as disliked by the Secret
Service as Hillary. Most of them prayed Al Gore would not be elected
President, and they really did have private celebrations in a few of
their homes after President Bush won. This was not necessarily to
celebrate President Bush's election, but to celebrate Al Gore's
defeat.

WHAT IS:

Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady Laura Bush's
detail. Without exception, they concede that she is perhaps the
nicest and most kind person they have ever had the privilege of
serving. Where Hillary patently refused to allow her picture to be
taken with her security detail, Laura Bush doesn't even have to be
asked, she offers. She doesn't just shake their hand and say, "Thank
you." Very often, she will give members of her detail a kindhearted
hug to express her appreciation. There is nothing false about her.
This is her genuine nature. Her security detail considers her to be a
"breath of fresh air." They joke that comparing Laura Bush with
Hillary Clinton is like comparing "Mother Teresa" with the "Wicked
Witch of the North."

Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to be a gem of a
man to work for. He always treats them with genuine respect and he
always trusts and listens to their expert advice. They really like
the Crawford, Texas detail. Every time the president goes to Crawford
he has a Bar-B-Q for his security detail and he helps serve their
meals. He sits with them, eats with them, and talks with them. He
knows each of them by their first name, and calls them by their first
name as a show of affection. He always asks about their family, the
names of which he always remembers. They believe that he is deeply and
genuinely appreciative of their service. They could not like, love, or
respect anyone more than President Bush. Most of them did not know
they would feel this way, until they had an opportunity to work for
him and learn that his manner was genuine and consistent. It has
never changed since he began his Presidency. He always treats them
with the utmost respect, kindness, and compassion.

--

Scott in Florida

Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
<klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:

[snipped]

None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public. It
doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people. Many
Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses as a group
to control and take care of because they are incapable of fending for
themselves. This type of attitude translates into the way they treat
their subordinates.

I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they became
known through the news.

I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.

--
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be
controlled and those who have no such desire." ~ Robert A. Heinlein

badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
> <klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
>
> [snipped]
>
> None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public. It
> doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people. Many
> Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses as a group
> to control and take care of because they are incapable of fending for
> themselves. This type of attitude translates into the way they treat
> their subordinates.
>
> I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
> detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
> clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
> occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they became
> known through the news.
>
> I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
> genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
>[/color]
\

Who's lies and incompetence has led to the deaths of over 2000
Americans and
650,000 Iraqis. You guys sure have a screwed up sense of morality.

"ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164907363.231327.168780@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> badgolferman wrote:[color=green]
>> Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
>> <klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snipped]
>>
>> None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public. It
>> doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people. Many
>> Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses as a group
>> to control and take care of because they are incapable of fending for
>> themselves. This type of attitude translates into the way they treat
>> their subordinates.
>>
>> I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
>> detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
>> clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
>> occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they became
>> known through the news.
>>
>> I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
>> genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
>>[/color]
> \
>
> Who's lies and incompetence has led to the deaths of over 2000
> Americans and
> 650,000 Iraqis. You guys sure have a screwed up sense of morality.
>[/color]

Quiet, you. Everyone knows that an extramarital affair is far more harmful
to the country than thousands of pointless deaths.

I doubt if the great majority of President Bush's detractors would even
be capable of recognizing a "genuine down-to-earth respecting person
who treats others kindly", so don't hold your breath.


badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
> <klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
>
> [snipped]
>
> None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public. It
> doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people. Many
> Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses as a group
> to control and take care of because they are incapable of fending for
> themselves. This type of attitude translates into the way they treat
> their subordinates.
>
> I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
> detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
> clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
> occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they became
> known through the news.
>
> I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
> genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
>
> --
> "The human race divides politically into those who want people to be
> controlled and those who have no such desire." ~ Robert A. Heinlein[/color]

JoeSpareBedroom, 11/30/2006,12:26:48 PM, wrote:
[color=blue]
> "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164907363.231327.168780@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> >
> > badgolferman wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
> >><klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > [snipped]
> > >
> > > None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public.
> > > It doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people.
> > > Many Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses
> > > as a group to control and take care of because they are incapable
> > > of fending for themselves. This type of attitude translates into
> > > the way they treat their subordinates.
> > >
> > > I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
> > > detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
> > > clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
> > > occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they
> > > became known through the news.
> > >
> > > I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
> > > genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
> > >[/color]
> > \
> >
> > Who's lies and incompetence has led to the deaths of over 2000
> > Americans and
> > 650,000 Iraqis. You guys sure have a screwed up sense of morality.
> >[/color]
>
> Quiet, you. Everyone knows that an extramarital affair is far more
> harmful to the country than thousands of pointless deaths.[/color]

Did you forget what the topic was about?

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0euc11928ortv000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> JoeSpareBedroom, 11/30/2006,12:26:48 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164907363.231327.168780@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>> >
>> > badgolferman wrote:
>> > > Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
>> >><klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > [snipped]
>> > >
>> > > None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public.
>> > > It doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people.
>> > > Many Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses
>> > > as a group to control and take care of because they are incapable
>> > > of fending for themselves. This type of attitude translates into
>> > > the way they treat their subordinates.
>> > >
>> > > I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
>> > > detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
>> > > clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
>> > > occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they
>> > > became known through the news.
>> > >
>> > > I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
>> > > genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
>> > >
>> > \
>> >
>> > Who's lies and incompetence has led to the deaths of over 2000
>> > Americans and
>> > 650,000 Iraqis. You guys sure have a screwed up sense of morality.
>> >[/color]
>>
>> Quiet, you. Everyone knows that an extramarital affair is far more
>> harmful to the country than thousands of pointless deaths.[/color]
>
> Did you forget what the topic was about?[/color]

Of course not. Why do you ask?

JoeSpareBedroom, 11/30/2006,12:51:44 PM, wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Did you forget what the topic was about?[/color]
>
> Of course not. Why do you ask?[/color]

Because you can't seem to keep it ON topic for this OFF topic
discussion.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0euc16y28wykb000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> JoeSpareBedroom, 11/30/2006,12:51:44 PM, wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Did you forget what the topic was about?[/color]
>>
>> Of course not. Why do you ask?[/color]
>
> Because you can't seem to keep it ON topic for this OFF topic
> discussion.[/color]

Yeah. OK. That's rich, coming from the reigning queen of reading
comprehension problems.

Mark wrote:[color=blue]
> I doubt if the great majority of President Bush's detractors would even
> be capable of recognizing a "genuine down-to-earth respecting person
> who treats others kindly", so don't hold your breath.
>
>
> badgolferman wrote:[color=green]
> > Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
> > <klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
> >
> > [snipped]
> >
> > None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public. It
> > doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people. Many
> > Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses as a group
> > to control and take care of because they are incapable of fending for
> > themselves. This type of attitude translates into the way they treat
> > their subordinates.
> >
> > I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
> > detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
> > clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
> > occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they became
> > known through the news.
> >
> > I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
> > genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
> >
> > --[/color][/color]

I heard that people who have met Pol Pot say he was a charming, polite,
down to earth guy.

badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> JoeSpareBedroom, 11/30/2006,12:26:48 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
> > "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1164907363.231327.168780@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
> > >
> > > badgolferman wrote:
> > > > Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
> > >><klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [snipped]
> > > >
> > > > None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public.
> > > > It doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people.
> > > > Many Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses
> > > > as a group to control and take care of because they are incapable
> > > > of fending for themselves. This type of attitude translates into
> > > > the way they treat their subordinates.
> > > >
> > > > I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
> > > > detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
> > > > clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
> > > > occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they
> > > > became known through the news.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
> > > > genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
> > > >
> > > \
> > >
> > > Who's lies and incompetence has led to the deaths of over 2000
> > > Americans and
> > > 650,000 Iraqis. You guys sure have a screwed up sense of morality.
> > >[/color]
> >
> > Quiet, you. Everyone knows that an extramarital affair is far more
> > harmful to the country than thousands of pointless deaths.[/color]
>
> Did you forget what the topic was about?[/color]

It's about how Bush is more qualified to be a Walmart Greeter than the
president.

"ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164911354.994486.22710@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> Mark wrote:[color=green]
>> I doubt if the great majority of President Bush's detractors would even
>> be capable of recognizing a "genuine down-to-earth respecting person
>> who treats others kindly", so don't hold your breath.
>>
>>
>> badgolferman wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
>> > <klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > [snipped]
>> >
>> > None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public. It
>> > doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people. Many
>> > Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses as a group
>> > to control and take care of because they are incapable of fending for
>> > themselves. This type of attitude translates into the way they treat
>> > their subordinates.
>> >
>> > I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
>> > detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
>> > clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
>> > occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they became
>> > known through the news.
>> >
>> > I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
>> > genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
>> >
>> > --[/color][/color]
>
> I heard that people who have met Pol Pot say he was a charming, polite,
> down to earth guy.[/color]

Saddam, too.

I don't think you can be a politician without having a certain amount of
charm. Although Ahmedinejad may be the first that doesn't. I'm certainly
not close enough to him to be a judge but, so far, his charm quotient looks
like zeros all the way.



--
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"ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164911505.718063.265370@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> badgolferman wrote:[color=green]
>> JoeSpareBedroom, 11/30/2006,12:26:48 PM, wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1164907363.231327.168780@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> > > badgolferman wrote:
>> > > > Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
>> > >><klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
>> > > > [snipped]
>> > > > None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public.
>> > > > It doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people.
>> > > > Many Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses
>> > > > as a group to control and take care of because they are incapable
>> > > > of fending for themselves. This type of attitude translates into
>> > > > the way they treat their subordinates.
>> > > >
>> > > > I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
>> > > > detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
>> > > > clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
>> > > > occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they
>> > > > became known through the news.
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
>> > > > genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
>> > > >
>> > > Who's lies and incompetence has led to the deaths of over 2000
>> > > Americans and
>> > > 650,000 Iraqis. You guys sure have a screwed up sense of morality.
>> >
>> > Quiet, you. Everyone knows that an extramarital affair is far more
>> > harmful to the country than thousands of pointless deaths.[/color]
>>
>> Did you forget what the topic was about?[/color]
>
> It's about how Bush is more qualified to be a Walmart Greeter than the
> president.[/color]

Bush would probably succeed OK as a small businessman in a low-tech
industry. I'm thinking he could run a dry-cleaning business or clean
carpets or do lawn care OK. If Laura kept an eye on things, he'd probably
have a decent income, house, etc.

Of course, if he was a dry-cleaner, I'd expect to see him eventually fined
for improper disposal of chemicals.

He's damned lucky he was born rich.



--
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"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:svEbh.6503$Ka1.2921@news01.roc.ny...[color=blue]
> "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164907363.231327.168780@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>>
>> badgolferman wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Scott in Florida, 11/30/2006, 10:55:37 AM,
>>> <klvtm21ja69u9c17tqp4l8625qu83t3cpc@4ax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snipped]
>>>
>>> None of what I read here is unknown amongst the general public. It
>>> doesn't take much to see the real attitudes of these people. Many
>>> Democratic politicians genuinely look down upon the masses as a group
>>> to control and take care of because they are incapable of fending for
>>> themselves. This type of attitude translates into the way they treat
>>> their subordinates.
>>>
>>> I read a book by the former Secret Service or FBI agent who was
>>> detailed to the White House. His main job was processing security
>>> clearances for Clinton's first term. The events and antics that
>>> occurred in that place would make your hair stand on end if they became
>>> known through the news.
>>>
>>> I don't think even President Bush's detractors can say he is not a
>>> genuine down-to-earth respecting person who treats others kindly.
>>>[/color]
>> \
>>
>> Who's lies and incompetence has led to the deaths of over 2000
>> Americans and
>> 650,000 Iraqis. You guys sure have a screwed up sense of morality.
>>[/color]
>
> Quiet, you. Everyone knows that an extramarital affair is far more harmful
> to the country than thousands of pointless deaths.
>[/color]

Not to mention hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths.

"ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164911354.994486.22710@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> I heard that people who have met Pol Pot say he was a charming, polite,
> down to earth guy.
>[/color]
And if you want to have a friendly discussion of gourmet food and movies,
Kim Jong Il's your guy.