Good morning.
Yes, the '80 Tercel was being driven in town when it died. But it was
cranked several times after that attempting to restart before I was called
to come see what the problem was. In fact, I would guess that most any
timing belt failure would go through that same process. That is the major
symptom of a timing belt problem, crank with no start. So if it was lucky
enough to not be damaged when it quit running, it would be during subsequent
starting attempts.
I think if you pay attention to the details of the timing marks, most anyone
that does work on their own car and can follow standard safety pricatices
like using jack stands could change a timing belt. The only problem point
would possibly be getting the crank damper bolt off and retightened
sufficiently. Shouldn't be that hard on a manual transmission car, put it
in 4th or whatever the direct gear is, have a helper step on the brakes,
and loosen or tighten away. It shouldn't be nearly as tight as something
like a 455 Oldsmobile where it may be specified at 295 ft. lbs.
Lee Richardson
"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:23:11 -0600, Lee Richardson wrote:
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>> Good morning, Hachi.
>> Thank You very much for that link. That is my engine exactly, mine is a
>> "late 1987" 2 dr sedan body, silver blue paint instead of copper colored,
>> but looks identical otherwise. Mine is a little cleaner in the cam/valve
>> area. Can't get too much more detailed than the work he has put into
>> that
>> webpage. "Good" with a wrench is a relative term, but I have changed
>> several timing belts before, but only one on a Toyota. It was a 1980
>> Tercel
>> my parents had bought new with the 1-AC engine. It stripped at about
>> 120,000 miles if I remember correctly, but fortuantely did no other
>> damage.
>> It needed a water pump and starter solenoid contacts at about the same
>> time.
>>
>> Lee Richardson[/color]
>
>
> You're lucky...IIRC that was an Interference engine also! You were either
> driving slow in town or at a stoplight or something, right?
>
> If you've done timing belts before, you should have no problem. I've never
> done one, and I' chicken. I'm afraid I'd put it on wrong. If I have a shop
> do it, they have Insurance, and I get a new engine.
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>>
>> .
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:NN7ch.135$ne3.13@trndny03...
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>>>
>>> Well...Look what I found!
>>>
>>> [url]http://tedinator.home.comcast.net/[/url]
>>>
>>> Are you good with a wrench? If you haven't done this before, it's about
>>> 3-4 hours. A *GOOD* 3-4 hours. My 'mechanic' friend (he IS an ASE cert.
>>> tech) did my '95 after I sold it in about 25 mins, and it was a
>>> Twin-Cam.
>>> Yours is a Single cam, with one intake and two exhaust, IIRC.
>>>
>>> Here's another interesting link, to an Australian model. It has a
>>> front-end on it like my Corolla GTS!
>>>
>>> [url]http://australia.motoseller.com/c/sys.php?a=2&b=13485[/url]
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to depend on which model you have. According to Gates, the '87
>>> Tercel Sedan and 2 Door had a 3E engine, which is listed as
>>> Interference.
>>> However, the Wagon has the 3A-C engine, which they say is NOT
>>> Interference, but I know from working for a Toyota dealer that it is.
>>>
>>> But, I did find this:
>>>
>>> Back to top
>>>
>>> Toyota
>>>
>>> Engine Recommended Interval
>>> 1.5L*
>>>
>>> (1A-C & 3A-C, 3E & 3E-E) (53)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The * means it is an Interference engine.
>>> I wouldn't fool around...if you like the car, change the belt. Soon!
>>>
>>> If you look at the new message I posted, from my first month (may have
>>> even been my first week here! I'm not an expert, but I sure wouldn't
>>> wait!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>>> news:Oy4ch.72$oC.28@trnddc04...
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:46:35 -0600, Lee Richardson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good morning.
>>>>>> It would be interesting to know the sequence and time frame of the
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>> you experienced. Catalytic converters don't typically die, they are
>>>>>> murdered. A bad O2 sensor can cause a rich mixture, killing the cat.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> generally a check engine light would be triggered in plenty of time
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> avoid
>>>>>> this. How long was the car driven with the check engine light on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the belt, you don't mention which one, but that is unusual for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> Toyota. They can go decades and hundreds of thousands of miles on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> original belts and hoses, including the timing belt. Case in point,
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> 4
>>>>>> cyl '91 Camry has 230,000 miles on it's original belts and hoses,
>>>>>> except
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the alternator belt which was changed about a year ago. My '87
>>>>>> Tercel
>>>>>> has
>>>>>> all it's original belts and hoses at 115,000 miles. While I agree it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> unwise to run timing belts this long or far, unlike your beloved
>>>>>> Hondas,
>>>>>> these engines will not be turned into scrap metal if one of these
>>>>>> belts
>>>>>> break.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee Richardson
>>>>>> Evansville, Indiana
>>>>>
>>>>> Holy Crtap Lee...you have an '87 with the..um, 3AC, was it, running
>>>>> the
>>>>> Original Timing belt? Are you sure?!
>>>>>
>>>>> I would bring that thing to the Toyota dealer (or a good mechanic you
>>>>> trust, if you can't do it yourself) and get that belt changed
>>>>> TOMORROW,
>>>>> that is, if you like the Tercel. The 3AC was an Interference engine,
>>>>> and
>>>>> the original Toyota timing belts can lose teeth (and therefore timing)
>>>>> between 100-120,000 miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you like the car, change the belt!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Big Blue" <aclaritan@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:n7lpm2lijesj9v11onnr2aik1scuh1rs14@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like I said before my wife's the Toyota person, I'm more of a Honda
>>>>>>> person, but anyway to make sure I'm happy every night we have bought
>>>>>>> 2001 Toyota Corolla and recently 2007 Toyota Camry SE V6.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok, my wife had a 1990 Toyota Corolla and never have a problem. We
>>>>>>> drove it till 300,000 miles and never had to do anything outside of
>>>>>>> maintainence. So I say, ok, I'm convinced, what can go wrong with
>>>>>>> Toyota? So we bought a 2001 Toyota Corolla next. What a mistake.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course it's cool until it reachs 100,000 miles, then all hell
>>>>>>> broke
>>>>>>> loose (shouldn't this only happen to Ford cars?) First I needed a
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> engine belt. Then my battery died so I put in a new battery. Next,
>>>>>>> my check engine light came on and it turned out I needed a new
>>>>>>> catalytic converter ($1500 bill), and now my check engine light came
>>>>>>> on again and now it needs a new O2 sensor. Oh, and I had to replace
>>>>>>> one of the tire rim because my car's bouncing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Horrible, 1990 no problem, 2001 a piece of junk. I just pray that
>>>>>>> 2007 Camry will be more like 1990 instead of 2001. What happened to
>>>>>>> Toyota factory?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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