Toyota RAV4 OE Oil Filter vs Toyota RAV4 Replacement Oil Filter

I have cut open the OE Toyota filter removed from a new RAV4 and a Toyota
replacement filter for the same engine and posted the pictures at:
[url]http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id12.html[/url]

I was surprised by the cheap looking construction of the genuine Toyota
replacement filter (particularly compared to the elaborate OE filter). I
have to assume the OE filter was some sort of speacial "break in" filter.
Either that or the replacement filter is just junk.

Ed White

C. E. White, 12/2/2006,9:56:39 PM, wrote:
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> I have cut open the OE Toyota filter removed from a new RAV4 and a
> Toyota replacement filter for the same engine and posted the pictures
> at: [url]http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id12.html[/url]
>
> I was surprised by the cheap looking construction of the genuine
> Toyota replacement filter (particularly compared to the elaborate OE
> filter). I have to assume the OE filter was some sort of speacial
> "break in" filter. Either that or the replacement filter is just junk.
>
> Ed White[/color]

I looked at your website and recognize the replacement filters as the
ones I buy for my 97 Camry. I also get replacement Toyota filters for
my V-6 Sienna from the same place. I am considering switching to
Purolater after looking at the filter material.

If the oil is changed every 3000 miles do you think that replacement
filter would still be adequate or it doesn't make any difference?

----- Original Message -----
From: "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.autos.toyota
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Toyota RAV4 OE Oil Filter vs Toyota RAV4 Replacement Oil Filter

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> C. E. White, 12/2/2006,9:56:39 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I have cut open the OE Toyota filter removed from a new RAV4 and a
>> Toyota replacement filter for the same engine and posted the pictures
>> at: [url]http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id12.html[/url]
>>
>> I was surprised by the cheap looking construction of the genuine
>> Toyota replacement filter (particularly compared to the elaborate OE
>> filter). I have to assume the OE filter was some sort of speacial
>> "break in" filter. Either that or the replacement filter is just junk.
>>
>> Ed White[/color]
>
> I looked at your website and recognize the replacement filters as the
> ones I buy for my 97 Camry. I also get replacement Toyota filters for
> my V-6 Sienna from the same place. I am considering switching to
> Purolater after looking at the filter material.
>
> If the oil is changed every 3000 miles do you think that replacement
> filter would still be adequate or it doesn't make any difference?[/color]

I have to believe Toyota is selling adequate oil filters to protect their
engines. In other markets (like Europe) where Toyota specifies 10,000 mil
oil changes for RAV4 with a 2L gas engine, they list a different P/N for the
replacement filter (90915-YZZC7). It would be interesting to know what the
insides of that filter are like. The next time I change the oil in the RAV4,
I'll cut open the PureOne filter and post those pictures for comparison -
but that will be at least three months from now.

Ed

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 02:56:39 +0000, C. E. White wrote:
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> I have cut open the OE Toyota filter removed from a new RAV4 and a Toyota
> replacement filter for the same engine and posted the pictures at:
> [url]http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id12.html[/url]
>
> I was surprised by the cheap looking construction of the genuine Toyota
> replacement filter (particularly compared to the elaborate OE filter). I
> have to assume the OE filter was some sort of speacial "break in" filter.
> Either that or the replacement filter is just junk.
>
> Ed White[/color]

INTERESTING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE FILTERS *YOU* rated well (sorry for
shouting!)they said Made in Japan (Except the Wix) The Rav4 filter you
panned was made in Thailand.

I would specify the Japanese made filters. They can get them in the matter
of 3 days or less!

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 02:56:39 +0000, C. E. White wrote:
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> I have cut open the OE Toyota filter removed from a new RAV4 and a Toyota
> replacement filter for the same engine and posted the pictures at:
> [url]http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id12.html[/url]
>
> I was surprised by the cheap looking construction of the genuine Toyota
> replacement filter (particularly compared to the elaborate OE filter). I
> have to assume the OE filter was some sort of speacial "break in" filter.
> Either that or the replacement filter is just junk.
>
> Ed White[/color]

BTW, CarQuest filters are made by Wix. It would be interesting to see a
comparison between a Wix branded filter and a CarQuest branded filter.

In article <H1rch.6699$1s6.3912@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> I have cut open the OE Toyota filter removed from a new RAV4 and a Toyota
> replacement filter for the same engine and posted the pictures at:
> [url]http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id12.html[/url]
>
> I was surprised by the cheap looking construction of the genuine Toyota
> replacement filter (particularly compared to the elaborate OE filter). I
> have to assume the OE filter was some sort of speacial "break in" filter.
> Either that or the replacement filter is just junk.
>
> Ed White[/color]

I noticed that you mentioned having bought the replacement filters over
the internet at a good price. I smell a rip off here--- the Chinese
counterfeit industry makes poor knockoffs of everything else, so why not
oil filters as well?

How reliable was your source for these filters? Are you sure they are
GENUINE Toyota products?

"Heaving Weasel" <heavingweasel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:heavingweasel-692FBB.11073303122006@news.iglou.com...[color=blue]
> I noticed that you mentioned having bought the replacement filters over
> the internet at a good price. I smell a rip off here--- the Chinese
> counterfeit industry makes poor knockoffs of everything else, so why not
> oil filters as well?
>
> How reliable was your source for these filters? Are you sure they are
> GENUINE Toyota products?[/color]

The filters came from a Genuine Toyota Dealer - Champion Toyota in Houston
Texas. The shipping carton also said Genuine Toyota Parts.

Ed

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:hKAch.443$4p2.388@trndny07...
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> INTERESTING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE FILTERS *YOU* rated well (sorry for
> shouting!)they said Made in Japan (Except the Wix) The Rav4 filter you
> panned was made in Thailand.
>
> I would specify the Japanese made filters. They can get them in the matter
> of 3 days or less![/color]

So how do I get the Japanese made version? And actaully, there are plenty of
well made US filters. The Purolator PureOne filter I bought locally for the
first oil change was made in the US. The Nissan filters I bought for my
Frontier were made in Japan (I assume by Denso, although they don't say so).

Ed

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:42:38 +0000, C. E. White wrote:
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>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:hKAch.443$4p2.388@trndny07...
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>> INTERESTING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE FILTERS *YOU* rated well (sorry for
>> shouting!)they said Made in Japan (Except the Wix) The Rav4 filter you
>> panned was made in Thailand.
>>
>> I would specify the Japanese made filters. They can get them in the matter
>> of 3 days or less![/color]
>
> So how do I get the Japanese made version? And actaully, there are plenty of
> well made US filters. The Purolator PureOne filter I bought locally for the
> first oil change was made in the US. The Nissan filters I bought for my
> Frontier were made in Japan (I assume by Denso, although they don't say so).
>
> Ed[/color]


Go to your dealer and order it. Tell them you want the same filter as came
on the car.

They can get them...
You have the part number!

"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:OMFch.6075$sf5.3138@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> So how do I get the Japanese made version? And actaully, there are plenty
> of well made US filters. The Purolator PureOne filter I bought locally for
> the first oil change was made in the US. The Nissan filters I bought for
> my Frontier were made in Japan (I assume by Denso, although they don't say
> so).
>
> Ed[/color]

So why don't you just use the Purolator Pure One?

Besides, what makes you thing the "Japanese" filters are actually made in
Japan.

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 13:45:19 -0700, Mark A wrote:
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> "C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:OMFch.6075$sf5.3138@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> So how do I get the Japanese made version? And actaully, there are plenty
>> of well made US filters. The Purolator PureOne filter I bought locally for
>> the first oil change was made in the US. The Nissan filters I bought for
>> my Frontier were made in Japan (I assume by Denso, although they don't say
>> so).
>>
>> Ed[/color]
>
> So why don't you just use the Purolator Pure One?
>
> Besides, what makes you thing the "Japanese" filters are actually made in
> Japan.[/color]


It says, "Made in Japan".

The other one said "Made in Thailand"

Heaving Weasel wrote:[color=blue]
> I noticed that you mentioned having bought the replacement filters over
> the internet at a good price. I smell a rip off here--- the Chinese
> counterfeit industry makes poor knockoffs of everything else, so why not
> oil filters as well?
>
> How reliable was your source for these filters? Are you sure they are
> GENUINE Toyota products?[/color]

Agreed, in the UK one of the major counterfeiting areas is importing
supposedly "Genuine" items that look right including all labels,
casting marks etc, but are of lower quality. Ive seen suspension arms
with casting inclusions big enough to make them as good as a noodle at
their job.

C. E. White wrote:[color=blue]
> I have cut open the OE Toyota filter removed from a new RAV4 and a Toyota
> replacement filter for the same engine and posted the pictures at:
> [url]http://home.earthlink.net/~cewhite3nc/id12.html[/url]
>
> I was surprised by the cheap looking construction of the genuine Toyota
> replacement filter (particularly compared to the elaborate OE filter). I
> have to assume the OE filter was some sort of speacial "break in" filter.
> Either that or the replacement filter is just junk.
>
> Ed White[/color]

Im actually fascinated, my Toyota filters bought from a dealer came
with paper internals. (UK).

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 19:40:01 +0000, C. E. White wrote:
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>
> "Heaving Weasel" <heavingweasel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:heavingweasel-692FBB.11073303122006@news.iglou.com...[color=green]
>> I noticed that you mentioned having bought the replacement filters over
>> the internet at a good price. I smell a rip off here--- the Chinese
>> counterfeit industry makes poor knockoffs of everything else, so why not
>> oil filters as well?
>>
>> How reliable was your source for these filters? Are you sure they are
>> GENUINE Toyota products?[/color]
>
> The filters came from a Genuine Toyota Dealer - Champion Toyota in Houston
> Texas. The shipping carton also said Genuine Toyota Parts.
>
> Ed[/color]


Jeff W?

Jeff is a friend of Supra Owners. I've talked to him a couple times trying
to get parts for my Supra. He knows the car well!

On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 05:41:46 -0800, Coyoteboy wrote:
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>
> Heaving Weasel wrote:[color=green]
>> I noticed that you mentioned having bought the replacement filters over
>> the internet at a good price. I smell a rip off here--- the Chinese
>> counterfeit industry makes poor knockoffs of everything else, so why not
>> oil filters as well?
>>
>> How reliable was your source for these filters? Are you sure they are
>> GENUINE Toyota products?[/color]
>
> Agreed, in the UK one of the major counterfeiting areas is importing
> supposedly "Genuine" items that look right including all labels,
> casting marks etc, but are of lower quality. Ive seen suspension arms
> with casting inclusions big enough to make them as good as a noodle at
> their job.[/color]

I once saw an 'oil filter' at a Toyota dealer in Wilbraham MA. They had
cut it open to reveal something little better than toilet tissue and a can
that was labeled "Asparagus" in English and Chinese. The can had been cut
down the side, turned inside-out, and then had a thin shell placed around
it.

They had removed the outer shell so the company selling them couldn't be
identified.

On the subject of filters, what ever happened to Lee? I used to use them
ALL the time, and got cars well on their way to 200,000 miles with them!