OT: Traditonal Values Restored

Hey golf club - still waiting for you to explain how GWB restored
traditional values. We need to know which ones so we can thank him.
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> 7. Restored traditional values to America[/color]

I'm still waiting to hear a more detailed description of this theory of
yours. Which values? When did he do this?

JoeSpareBedroom, 12/10/2006,7:29:06 PM, wrote:
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> Hey golf club - still waiting for you to explain how GWB restored
> traditional values. We need to know which ones so we can thank him.
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> > 7. Restored traditional values to America[/color]
>
> I'm still waiting to hear a more detailed description of this theory
> of yours. Which values? When did he do this?[/color]

There is no use in my debating traditional values with you. Our
standards are different from each other and you will never understand.
You already know where I stand on certain issues and they certainly
don't match yours.

Nice attempt at trolling though.

--
"Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
distinguished from the liberal, who wishes to replace them with
others." ~ Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom, 12/10/2006,7:29:06 PM, wrote:
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>> Hey golf club - still waiting for you to explain how GWB restored
>> traditional values. We need to know which ones so we can thank him.
>>[color=darkred]
>> > 7. Restored traditional values to America[/color]
>>
>> I'm still waiting to hear a more detailed description of this theory
>> of yours. Which values? When did he do this?[/color]
>
> There is no use in my debating traditional values with you. Our
> standards are different from each other and you will never understand.
> You already know where I stand on certain issues and they certainly
> don't match yours.
>
> Nice attempt at trolling though.[/color]


I don't want to debate anything. I just want to know what fact (in your
mind) made you say that Bush restored some sort of values. Which ones?

To be fair, though, I *will* tell you why I'm asking. Right after the
elections, polls indicated a huge amount of disenchantment among voters who
categorized themselves as fundamentalist Christians, and who said they ended
up voting for Democrats.

So, I'm wondering about these values you're talking about.

JoeSpareBedroom, 12/10/2006,10:03:19 PM, wrote:
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> So, I'm wondering about these values you're talking about.[/color]

Here we go again with another list for you guys to pick apart and call
me names for. Oh well, at least I have the backbone to state what I
stand for, unlike many of you leftists who just bitch and moan about
others.

Traditional values:
belief / dependance upon a Creator
nuclear family
protection of a fetus
honesty
respect for others
hard work
responsibility
good morals
manners

These were once considered admirable qualities but today's liberals
have made them something dirty.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom, 12/10/2006,10:03:19 PM, wrote:
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>> So, I'm wondering about these values you're talking about.[/color]
>
> Here we go again with another list for you guys to pick apart and call
> me names for. Oh well, at least I have the backbone to state what I
> stand for, unlike many of you leftists who just bitch and moan about
> others.
>
> Traditional values:
> belief / dependance upon a Creator[/color]

This has nothing to do with a person being a good person or not.
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> nuclear family[/color]

Lots of people - probably most if not all - *want* a nuclear family. But it
just doesn't always work that way. A school friend, whose parents stayed
together while the kids were still in school, thinking it was better for
them... I always thought that was such a load of crap - they were always
fighting - the parents. Jeez, you could often cut the air w/a knife in that
house with the parents staying together for the sake of the kids. Wouldn't a
split, resulting in a calm household - free of dissention & acrimony, have
been a better environment (for all)?
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> protection of a fetus[/color]

Down the old never-ending road, where no one will change their mind on a
woman's right to choose. And I swear you do NOT get the difference between
right to choose & pro-abortion.
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> honesty
> respect for others
> hard work
> responsibility[/color]

Talk about arrogance. None of these are in the least bit of debate, no
matter what side of the liberal/conservative line, AFAIK.
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>good morals[/color]

Define, maybe?
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> manners[/color]

Not in the least bit of debate here, either. Who says - besides you - that
liberals are lacking in manners? If this ng is anything to go by - thinking
of some of the conservatives here, they need to learn a few (or more than a
few) themselves. To put it mildly. (Yeah, I know, my manners are slipping
in this post - I'm a tad P.O-ed.)
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> once considered admirable qualities but today's liberals
> have made them something dirty.[/color]

You're nuts if this is what you think - that the conservatives are oh, so
good & righteous, whereas liberals supposedly have no compasses. Jeez, just
take a look around - nevermind everyday people with whom you work & around
whom you live - the news alone has provided fodder lately to make one
realize this a bunch of baloney.

Cathy

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom, 12/10/2006,10:03:19 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
>> So, I'm wondering about these values you're talking about.[/color]
>
> Here we go again with another list for you guys to pick apart and call
> me names for. Oh well, at least I have the backbone to state what I
> stand for, unlike many of you leftists who just bitch and moan about
> others.
>
> Traditional values:
> belief / dependance upon a Creator
> nuclear family
> protection of a fetus
> honesty
> respect for others
> hard work
> responsibility
> good morals
> manners
>
> These were once considered admirable qualities but today's liberals
> have made them something dirty.[/color]

Crap. I know lots of liberals who are into all these things and,
conversely, I know "conservatives" who don't respect any of these values.
My wife works in a school; it's not at all unusual to find the W04 sticker
on the vehicle that belongs to the parent that clearly doesn't care as much
about their kid as they care about their trophy house and fancy car.

I don't see how you can use "responsibility" as an aspect of traditional
values that Bush restored to the US. He's writing checks as fast as he can
and telling people, yes, you CAN have tax cuts. Responsible people pay their
bills, they don't leave them to the next generation. The don't pander for
votes. He hasn't vetoed a single spending bill.

And while you have listed traditional values, you have not cited one thing
Bush has done for them.

And, as far as "nuclear family" goes, whenever you get to the defense of
Bush on that, the one thing that's changed about that is that society - part
of it, anyway - has become more open to the idea that a nuclear family is
whatever a family can be. The kid who's mom or dad turns out to be gay at
age 40 no longer has to be treated as some sort of social outcast for a
situation over which he has no control. Anything that reduces the hurt on a
kid is progress.



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"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0eutb121tsi35009@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> JoeSpareBedroom, 12/10/2006,10:03:19 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
>> So, I'm wondering about these values you're talking about.[/color]
>
> Here we go again with another list for you guys to pick apart and call
> me names for. Oh well, at least I have the backbone to state what I
> stand for, unlike many of you leftists who just bitch and moan about
> others.
>
> Traditional values:
> belief / dependance upon a Creator
> nuclear family
> protection of a fetus
> honesty
> respect for others
> hard work
> responsibility
> good morals
> manners
>
> These were once considered admirable qualities but today's liberals
> have made them something dirty.[/color]


These values were never gone, so it's impossible that in a few short years,
your president restored them.

badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> JoeSpareBedroom, 12/10/2006,7:29:06 PM, wrote:
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> > Hey golf club - still waiting for you to explain how GWB restored
> > traditional values. We need to know which ones so we can thank him.
> >[color=darkred]
> > > 7. Restored traditional values to America[/color]
> >
> > I'm still waiting to hear a more detailed description of this theory
> > of yours. Which values? When did he do this?[/color]
>
> There is no use in my debating traditional values with you.[/color]

Traditional values -- European, include: misogyny, slavery, abuse,
rampant incest and pedophilia, rape, anti-semitism, ethnic cleansing,
genocide... yummy! Thats how its been for most of recorded history
in Europe and the USA. Yep, ever since Roman times, through the Dark
Ages, hell all the way up to Brown vs Board of Education!

You sure you wanna bring traditional values back? Don't lie to
yourself buddy. You're not enlightened. None of us are. We're
barbarians. Feel guilty, if you feel anything. You've made some
really bad political choices.
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> Our
> standards are different from each other and you will never understand.[/color]

well now. I'll have to side with the LLL on this one.
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> You already know where I stand on certain issues and they certainly
> don't match yours.
>
> Nice attempt at trolling though.[/color]

Attempt? Looks like a success.

Stop using other peoples' quotes in your sig. You're a smart boy, make
your own up.

Learning Richard, 12/11/2006, 7:27:41 AM,
<1165840061.144456.290320@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> > There is no use in my debating traditional values with you.[/color]
>
> Traditional values -- European, include: misogyny, slavery, abuse,
> rampant incest and pedophilia, rape, anti-semitism, ethnic cleansing,
> genocide... yummy! Thats how its been for most of recorded history
> in Europe and the USA. Yep, ever since Roman times, through the Dark
> Ages, hell all the way up to Brown vs Board of Education!
>
> You sure you wanna bring traditional values back? Don't lie to
> yourself buddy. You're not enlightened. None of us are. We're
> barbarians. Feel guilty, if you feel anything. You've made some
> really bad political choices.[/color]

Feeling guilty is something you do quite well, obviously. Your
self-hate is apparent, but thankfully it is not a contagious disease
most thoughtful, contemplative, logical-minded persons need worry of
contracting.

Someday when you are able to take responsibility for your own actions
and make things right that you have done wrong personally you will be
free of all this guilt that hampers your emotional growth.

Amen. Someone as hopelessly angry as Richard must be most angry at
himself. There is one who has the ability to truly forgive, hopefully
Richard will discover Him before it is too late.


badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> Learning Richard, 12/11/2006, 7:27:41 AM,
> <1165840061.144456.290320@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com> wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > There is no use in my debating traditional values with you.[/color]
> >
> > Traditional values -- European, include: misogyny, slavery, abuse,
> > rampant incest and pedophilia, rape, anti-semitism, ethnic cleansing,
> > genocide... yummy! Thats how its been for most of recorded history
> > in Europe and the USA. Yep, ever since Roman times, through the Dark
> > Ages, hell all the way up to Brown vs Board of Education!
> >
> > You sure you wanna bring traditional values back? Don't lie to
> > yourself buddy. You're not enlightened. None of us are. We're
> > barbarians. Feel guilty, if you feel anything. You've made some
> > really bad political choices.[/color]
>
> Feeling guilty is something you do quite well, obviously. Your
> self-hate is apparent, but thankfully it is not a contagious disease
> most thoughtful, contemplative, logical-minded persons need worry of
> contracting.
>
> Someday when you are able to take responsibility for your own actions
> and make things right that you have done wrong personally you will be
> free of all this guilt that hampers your emotional growth.[/color]

How did your president restore values which were never gone in the first
place?

JoeSpareBedroom, 12/11/2006, 12:07:54 PM,
<Kfgfh.7271$Ka1.7107@news01.roc.ny> wrote:
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> How did your president restore values which were never gone in the
> first place?[/color]

By exposing the hypocrisy of the liberal agenda.

Now either contribute something substantive to this discussion or go
away. I'm tired of answering your contrived questions.

Tell me what you consider traditional values and how they have been
upheld by Democratic politicians.

--
"The envious man thinks that if his neighbor breaks a leg, he will be
able to walk better himself." ~ Helmut Schoeck

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom, 12/11/2006, 12:07:54 PM,
> <Kfgfh.7271$Ka1.7107@news01.roc.ny> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> How did your president restore values which were never gone in the
>> first place?[/color]
>
> By exposing the hypocrisy of the liberal agenda.
>
> Now either contribute something substantive to this discussion or go
> away. I'm tired of answering your contrived questions.[/color]


Contrived questions? This is a list you posted:
1. Banned partial birth abortion.
2. Turned around an economy that was on the verge of recession by
cutting taxes for ALL citizens.
3. Restored character and dignity to an office that was a laughing
stock.
4. Killed the Kyoto Treaty that was designed to punish the US.
5. Waged two successive wars that put attackers of freedom on the
defensive and seriously hampered future terroristic activities.
6. Kept the UN from becoming completely irrelevant.
7. Restored traditional values to America
8. Named constitutional judges to the Supreme Court rather than
legislative judges.

I'm asking you to explain #7. You said it. Back it up, or stop saying things
which you hide from later.

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom, 12/11/2006, 12:07:54 PM,
> <Kfgfh.7271$Ka1.7107@news01.roc.ny> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> How did your president restore values which were never gone in the
>> first place?[/color]
>
> By exposing the hypocrisy of the liberal agenda.[/color]

You can say this with a straight face, considering what various & sundry
Republicans (you know, the ones who have a monopoly on the high moral
ground!) have been caught out doing in recent months & years?! Hello, but
wake up!!! Holy mackerel...

Cathy

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>
> Now either contribute something substantive to this discussion or go
> away. I'm tired of answering your contrived questions.
>
> Tell me what you consider traditional values and how they have been
> upheld by Democratic politicians.
>
> --
> "The envious man thinks that if his neighbor breaks a leg, he will be
> able to walk better himself." ~ Helmut Schoeck[/color]

"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net> wrote in message
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>
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0euubab0000001@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
>> JoeSpareBedroom, 12/11/2006, 12:07:54 PM,
>> <Kfgfh.7271$Ka1.7107@news01.roc.ny> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> How did your president restore values which were never gone in the
>>> first place?[/color]
>>
>> By exposing the hypocrisy of the liberal agenda.[/color]
>
> You can say this with a straight face, considering what various & sundry
> Republicans (you know, the ones who have a monopoly on the high moral
> ground!) have been caught out doing in recent months & years?! Hello, but
> wake up!!! Holy mackerel...
>
> Cathy[/color]

Are you referring to that Aryan fella who resigned? The Big Time Christian
who was one of Bush's "spiritual advisors?" That guy? The one who was
bangin' young boys?