{OT} gas emissions

It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these CO2
emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
controlling greenhouse gases.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.

A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing
herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and
wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes,
from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing
deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and
drinking water to destroying coral reefs.

[url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url]

On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:08:38 -0500, "badgolferman"
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these CO2
>emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
>controlling greenhouse gases.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----
>
>Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
>or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.
>
>A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing
>herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and
>wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes,
>from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing
>deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and
>drinking water to destroying coral reefs.
>
>[url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url][/color]

Isn't that a hoot?

....and the simple solution?

Plant a tree.

If the KooKs are really worried about the 'rain forests'....they
should buy them....




--

Scott in Florida

In article <xn0eutamr1t7sga008@news.readfreenews.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these CO2
> emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
> controlling greenhouse gases.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
> or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.
>
> A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing
> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and
> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes,
> from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing
> deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and
> drinking water to destroying coral reefs.
>
> [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url][/color]

These kooks are groping, hoping to find a palatable fairy tail that
everyone will believe and al gore can run with.
--

In article <xn0eutamr1t7sga008@news.readfreenews.net>
[email]REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com[/email] "badgolferman" writes:
[color=blue]
> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not
> the car, or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.
>
> [...][/color]

This is a good example of how old news can be rediscovered and
presented as new news. (Not that I'm saying the news shouldn't
be presented; but we should keep our ears open better, to catch
it the first time around. Eg, global warming, which was being
discussed by (eg) SF in the 60s.)

As far back as the 70s, "New Scientist" magazine (which presents
serious scientific developments for the non-specialist reader, a
bit like "Scientific American") ran an article on what bad news
cows are for places like Africa. They trample the ground with
clunky hooves, mashing its surface and young plants. Their way
of eating tends to tear out the whole of grass if it's young.

Gas emissions we've also heard about, though anything that eats
plants seems set to make methane. There's now a trend to ferment
cow manure, with other vegetable waste, to make methane -- which
then gets burned to make electricity (or just hot water). This
was being promoted in India, at local level, in the 70s; it also
helped with fuel shortages for cooking. Left-over solid matter
has value as fertiliser.

The NS article pointed out that native African species were much
better at using the available grazing. Each tends to graze at a
different level: one nibbles tips of young grass; another chomps
the older blades; another eats the drier stuff. Etc. And those
native species are a d*mn sight more efficient at converting food
into meat than cattle, which evolved in more verdant environments
and didn't need to conserve resources so carefully. Antelope is
healthier to eat -- though first you've got to catch the things.
--
Andrew Stephenson

badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these CO2
> emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
> controlling greenhouse gases.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
> or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.
>
> A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing
> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and
> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes,
> from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing
> deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and
> drinking water to destroying coral reefs.
>
> [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url][/color]

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damn BGM, there you go confusing them with the facts again! Seriously, I do
remember an article a few years back saying that termites also exude more
methane than the hydrocarbons produce.
Ron
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0eutamr1t7sga008@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these CO2
> emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
> controlling greenhouse gases.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
> or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.
>
> A United Nations report has identified the world's rapidly growing
> herds of cattle as the greatest threat to the climate, forests and
> wildlife. And they are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes,
> from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing
> deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and
> drinking water to destroying coral reefs.
>
> [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url][/color]

I can see the PETA nuts comin' out of the woodwork as we speak. Save the
world, eat your veggies. I'm surprised our good friend Little Richard, AKA
dick, has not spoken out already LOL


mike


"Andrew Stephenson" <ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1165842085snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk...[color=blue]
> In article <xn0eutamr1t7sga008@news.readfreenews.net>
> [email]REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com[/email] "badgolferman" writes:
>[color=green]
>> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not
>> the car, or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.
>>
>> [...][/color]
>
> This is a good example of how old news can be rediscovered and
> presented as new news. (Not that I'm saying the news shouldn't
> be presented; but we should keep our ears open better, to catch
> it the first time around. Eg, global warming, which was being
> discussed by (eg) SF in the 60s.)
>
> As far back as the 70s, "New Scientist" magazine (which presents
> serious scientific developments for the non-specialist reader, a
> bit like "Scientific American") ran an article on what bad news
> cows are for places like Africa. They trample the ground with
> clunky hooves, mashing its surface and young plants. Their way
> of eating tends to tear out the whole of grass if it's young.
>
> Gas emissions we've also heard about, though anything that eats
> plants seems set to make methane. There's now a trend to ferment
> cow manure, with other vegetable waste, to make methane -- which
> then gets burned to make electricity (or just hot water). This
> was being promoted in India, at local level, in the 70s; it also
> helped with fuel shortages for cooking. Left-over solid matter
> has value as fertiliser.
>
> The NS article pointed out that native African species were much
> better at using the available grazing. Each tends to graze at a
> different level: one nibbles tips of young grass; another chomps
> the older blades; another eats the drier stuff. Etc. And those
> native species are a d*mn sight more efficient at converting food
> into meat than cattle, which evolved in more verdant environments
> and didn't need to conserve resources so carefully. Antelope is
> healthier to eat -- though first you've got to catch the things.
> --
> Andrew Stephenson
>[/color]

badgolferman wrote:
[color=blue]
> It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these CO2
> emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
> controlling greenhouse gases.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
> or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.[/color]
[color=blue]
> [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url][/color]

As far as global warming gases go,. in 1989 methane was responsible for
about 16% of their global warming, while CO2 contributed 50%, this
despite each molecule of CH4 having the global warming potential of
roughly 20 CO2 molecules:

[url]www.globalchange.umich.edu/web_archive/image/oldone.gif[/url]

Norm De Plume, 12/13/2006, 8:05:13 AM,
<1166015112.953344.221950@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> badgolferman wrote:
>[color=green]
> > It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these
> > CO2 emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
> > controlling greenhouse gases.
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----
> >
> > Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the
> > car, or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.[/color]
>[color=green]
> > [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url][/color]
>
> As far as global warming gases go,. in 1989 methane was responsible
> for about 16% of their global warming, while CO2 contributed 50%,
> this despite each molecule of CH4 having the global warming potential
> of roughly 20 CO2 molecules:
>
> [url]www.globalchange.umich.edu/web_archive/image/oldone.gif[/url][/color]


Since the previous link I provided must be paid for now here is another
site that has the same exact story:

[url]http://allafrica.com/stories/200612120261.html[/url]

A 400-page report by the UN's Food and Agricultural Organisation also
surveys the damage done by sheep, chickens, pigs and goats, but in
almost every case, the world's cattle are most to blame.

Livestock are responsible for 18% of the greenhouse gases that cause
global warming -- more than cars, planes and all other forms of
transport put together.

Burning fuel to produce fertiliser to grow feed, to produce meat and to
transport it -- and clearing vegetation for grazing -- produces 9% of
all emissions of carbon dioxide, the most common greenhouse gas. And
cows' wind and manure contain more than a third of emissions of
another, methane, which warms the world 20 times faster than carbon
dioxide.
-----------------------------------

How do you explain the UN's own report that points out livestock is
responsible for more greenhouse gases than humankind combined?

badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> Norm De Plume, 12/13/2006, 8:05:13 AM,
> <1166015112.953344.221950@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> > badgolferman wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these
> > > CO2 emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
> > > controlling greenhouse gases.
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----
> > >
> > > Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the
> > > car, or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.[/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url][/color]
> >
> > As far as global warming gases go,. in 1989 methane was responsible
> > for about 16% of their global warming, while CO2 contributed 50%,
> > this despite each molecule of CH4 having the global warming potential
> > of roughly 20 CO2 molecules:
> >
> > [url]www.globalchange.umich.edu/web_archive/image/oldone.gif[/url][/color]
>
>
> Since the previous link I provided must be paid for now here is another
> site that has the same exact story:
>
> [url]http://allafrica.com/stories/200612120261.html[/url][/color]

allafrica.com??? Wow bgm, I am truly impressed. That is one of the
most liberal web sites online today.

Learning Richard, 12/13/2006, 8:32:23 AM,
<1166016743.665394.240740@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
> > [url]http://allafrica.com/stories/200612120261.html[/url][/color]
>
> allafrica.com??? Wow bgm, I am truly impressed. That is one of the
> most liberal web sites online today.[/color]

It was picked up off the newswires, hence the same exact story on
several different sites.

On 13 Dec 2006 05:05:13 -0800, "Norm De Plume"
<norm_de_plume@my-deja.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>badgolferman wrote:
>[color=green]
>> It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these CO2
>> emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
>> controlling greenhouse gases.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
>> or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.[/color]
>[color=green]
>> [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url][/color]
>
>As far as global warming gases go,. in 1989 methane was responsible for
>about 16% of their global warming, while CO2 contributed 50%, this
>despite each molecule of CH4 having the global warming potential of
>roughly 20 CO2 molecules:
>
> [url]www.globalchange.umich.edu/web_archive/image/oldone.gif[/url][/color]


Plant a tree... 'problem' solved....


--

Scott in Florida

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:7n51o2dji4tbssg7clgfq23em94r4ru98k@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On 13 Dec 2006 05:05:13 -0800, "Norm De Plume"
> <norm_de_plume@my-deja.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>badgolferman wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these CO2
>>> emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
>>> controlling greenhouse gases.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
>>> or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url][/color]
>>
>>As far as global warming gases go,. in 1989 methane was responsible for
>>about 16% of their global warming, while CO2 contributed 50%, this
>>despite each molecule of CH4 having the global warming potential of
>>roughly 20 CO2 molecules:
>>
>> [url]www.globalchange.umich.edu/web_archive/image/oldone.gif[/url][/color]
>
>
> Plant a tree... 'problem' solved....[/color]

Being serious: the tropical rain forests & their deforestation.

Cathy

[color=blue]
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]

"dbu`" <repubs@waitfor08.com> wrote in message
news:repubs-F9DCC3.18262813122006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=blue]
> In article <pLqdnTYICuBECh3YnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>> news:7n51o2dji4tbssg7clgfq23em94r4ru98k@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>> > On 13 Dec 2006 05:05:13 -0800, "Norm De Plume"
>> > <norm_de_plume@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>badgolferman wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these
>> >>> CO2
>> >>> emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
>> >>> controlling greenhouse gases.
>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
>> >>> or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.
>> >>
>> >>> [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url]
>> >>
>> >>As far as global warming gases go,. in 1989 methane was responsible for
>> >>about 16% of their global warming, while CO2 contributed 50%, this
>> >>despite each molecule of CH4 having the global warming potential of
>> >>roughly 20 CO2 molecules:
>> >>
>> >> [url]www.globalchange.umich.edu/web_archive/image/oldone.gif[/url]
>> >
>> >
>> > Plant a tree... 'problem' solved....[/color]
>>
>> Being serious: the tropical rain forests & their deforestation.
>>
>> Cathy[/color]
>
> Forget the damn jungle, think about our own hardwood forests here in the
> U.S.[/color]

Why not both?

Cathy
[color=blue]
> --
>[/color]

"dbu`" <repubs@waitfor08.com> wrote in message
news:repubs-F9DCC3.18262813122006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=blue]
> In article <pLqdnTYICuBECh3YnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@giganews.com>,
> "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>> news:7n51o2dji4tbssg7clgfq23em94r4ru98k@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>> > On 13 Dec 2006 05:05:13 -0800, "Norm De Plume"
>> > <norm_de_plume@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>badgolferman wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> It's time for Al Gore to go stick his head where he can block these
>> >>> CO2
>> >>> emmisions. This is where he can truly make some difference in
>> >>> controlling greenhouse gases.
>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> Meet the world's top destroyer of the environment. It is not the car,
>> >>> or the plane,or even George Bush: it is the cow.
>> >>
>> >>> [url]http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece[/url]
>> >>
>> >>As far as global warming gases go,. in 1989 methane was responsible for
>> >>about 16% of their global warming, while CO2 contributed 50%, this
>> >>despite each molecule of CH4 having the global warming potential of
>> >>roughly 20 CO2 molecules:
>> >>
>> >> [url]www.globalchange.umich.edu/web_archive/image/oldone.gif[/url]
>> >
>> >
>> > Plant a tree... 'problem' solved....[/color]
>>
>> Being serious: the tropical rain forests & their deforestation.
>>
>> Cathy[/color]
>
> Forget the damn jungle[/color]

Why the "damn jungle"? Those jungles take in one helluva a lot of CO2, &
give off one helluva lot of oxygen. Not to mention the flora & fauna of the
tropical rain forests that provide us humans w/ medicines galore. Nevermind
the simple deal of appreciating the wonder of it all. And only a portion
(potentially small portion) of the species which reside there have been
ID-ed; we don't know how much of a true potential the jungles hold. Well
worth preserving, for the benefits of all, IMO.

Cathy



, think about our own hardwood forests here in the[color=blue]
> U.S.
> --
>[/color]