Toyota off brands

Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm? I'm
looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
there is any truth to that or not.

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:27:12 -0600, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
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> Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm? I'm
> looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
> heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
> there is any truth to that or not.[/color]


Not that I'm aware of.

Toyota's 'off' brands are the Prizm (sold as both Geo and Chevy), Scion,
and Daihatsu (oh, Hino, too, but I doubt you want a 10-or-more wheel truck...)

Oh, and don't forget Lexus...!

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:Belgh.3415$e26.2275@trndny04...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:27:12 -0600, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
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>> Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm?
>> I'm
>> looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
>> heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
>> there is any truth to that or not.[/color]
>
>
> Not that I'm aware of.
>
> Toyota's 'off' brands are the Prizm (sold as both Geo and Chevy), Scion,
> and Daihatsu (oh, Hino, too, but I doubt you want a 10-or-more wheel
> truck...)
>
> Oh, and don't forget Lexus...![/color]

Thanks for the input.

"Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Dfkgh.12443$gj2.10458@newsfe23.lga...[color=blue]
> Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm? I'm
> looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
> heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
> there is any truth to that or not.[/color]

I'm fairly certain that the Vue - perhaps just for a year or two - had a
Honda engine option (the 3.5, I believe).

There's the Geo Prizm (but some Geos are actually other brands, I think).
The Pontiac Vibe is pretty much a Toyota Matrix (I prefer the looks of the
Vibe). Friends have one - it's nice and they get good fuel economy with the
stickshift.



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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:14:48 -0600, dh wrote:
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> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Dfkgh.12443$gj2.10458@newsfe23.lga...[color=green]
>> Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm? I'm
>> looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
>> heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
>> there is any truth to that or not.[/color]
>
> I'm fairly certain that the Vue - perhaps just for a year or two - had a
> Honda engine option (the 3.5, I believe).
>
> There's the Geo Prizm (but some Geos are actually other brands, I think).[/color]

A lot of the Geos were Isuzus...Isuzi?

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> The Pontiac Vibe is pretty much a Toyota Matrix (I prefer the looks of the
> Vibe). Friends have one - it's nice and they get good fuel economy with the
> stickshift.[/color]

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:fJpgh.3739$e26.3178@trndny04...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:14:48 -0600, dh wrote:
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>> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Dfkgh.12443$gj2.10458@newsfe23.lga...[color=darkred]
>>> Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm?
>>> I'm
>>> looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
>>> heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
>>> there is any truth to that or not.[/color]
>>
>> I'm fairly certain that the Vue - perhaps just for a year or two - had a
>> Honda engine option (the 3.5, I believe).
>>
>> There's the Geo Prizm (but some Geos are actually other brands, I think).[/color]
>
> A lot of the Geos were Isuzus...Isuzi?
>[/color]

I think the Geo Metro was a Suzuki Swift. I have no idea what the Tracker
was.
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>> The Pontiac Vibe is pretty much a Toyota Matrix (I prefer the looks of
>> the
>> Vibe). Friends have one - it's nice and they get good fuel economy with
>> the
>> stickshift.[/color]
>[/color]



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Reasoned Insanity wrote:[color=blue]
> Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm? I'm
> looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
> heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
> there is any truth to that or not.
>
>[/color]
the saturn vue uses hondas V6

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:32:45 -0600, dh wrote:
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> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:fJpgh.3739$e26.3178@trndny04...[color=green]
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:14:48 -0600, dh wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Dfkgh.12443$gj2.10458@newsfe23.lga...
>>>> Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm?
>>>> I'm
>>>> looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
>>>> heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
>>>> there is any truth to that or not.
>>>
>>> I'm fairly certain that the Vue - perhaps just for a year or two - had a
>>> Honda engine option (the 3.5, I believe).
>>>
>>> There's the Geo Prizm (but some Geos are actually other brands, I think).[/color]
>>
>> A lot of the Geos were Isuzus...Isuzi?
>>[/color]
>
> I think the Geo Metro was a Suzuki Swift. I have no idea what the Tracker
> was.[/color]


Yeah, you're right! And the Tracker was a Suzuki Samurai, IIRC.

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>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> The Pontiac Vibe is pretty much a Toyota Matrix (I prefer the looks of
>>> the
>>> Vibe). Friends have one - it's nice and they get good fuel economy with
>>> the
>>> stickshift.[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

If Scion is an off-brand then so is Lexus. I wouldn't consider either
to be rebranded Toyotas, at least to the same degree as the
Matrix/Vibe. The tC has a Camry motor but as far as I know most
chassis, body and interior components are unique to Scion. I would
guess the same for the xA and xB.

Late 80s Chevy Novas were Corollas under the skin and some interior
elements.


Hachiroku ãƒ?ãƒ?ãƒ*ク wrote:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:27:12 -0600, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm? I'm
> > looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
> > heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
> > there is any truth to that or not.[/color]
>
>
> Not that I'm aware of.
>
> Toyota's 'off' brands are the Prizm (sold as both Geo and Chevy), Scion,
> and Daihatsu (oh, Hino, too, but I doubt you want a 10-or-more wheel truck...)
>
> Oh, and don't forget Lexus...![/color]

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 05:58:40 -0800, Mark wrote:
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> If Scion is an off-brand then so is Lexus. I wouldn't consider either
> to be rebranded Toyotas, at least to the same degree as the
> Matrix/Vibe. The tC has a Camry motor but as far as I know most
> chassis, body and interior components are unique to Scion. I would
> guess the same for the xA and xB.
>
> Late 80s Chevy Novas were Corollas under the skin and some interior
> elements.[/color]

I think Scions in Japan are sold as Scions; I can't remember. Lexus' are
sold as Toyotas; a lot of the Lexus models are JDM models that have been
sold for a long time in Japan; Toyota never imported them because there
were a lot of cross-overs (for example, Toyota decided to sell the Celica
here rather than the Soarer(SC300) and dropped the Corona MKII in the US,
but continued to sell it in Japan until they brought it back as the ES250).
The reason for this is they thought nobody would pay that much for a
Toyota here in the US, so they 'upscaled' them from their Japanese models
and sold them with a new Brand name marketed as Luxury. I guess it worked.

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>
>
> Hachiroku ãƒ?ãƒ?ãƒ*ク wrote:[color=green]
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:27:12 -0600, Reasoned Insanity wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Is there a list somewhere for toyota off brands such as the Geo Prizm? I'm
>> > looking for a car for a friend and was hoping to widen my options. I've
>> > heard something about Saturn's using Toyota engines, but I don't know if
>> > there is any truth to that or not.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Not that I'm aware of.
>>
>> Toyota's 'off' brands are the Prizm (sold as both Geo and Chevy), Scion,
>> and Daihatsu (oh, Hino, too, but I doubt you want a 10-or-more wheel truck...)
>>
>> Oh, and don't forget Lexus...![/color][/color]

Hachiroku ãƒ?ãƒ?ãƒ*ク wrote:[color=blue]
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 05:58:40 -0800, Mark wrote:
>[color=green]
> > If Scion is an off-brand then so is Lexus. I wouldn't consider either
> > to be rebranded Toyotas, at least to the same degree as the
> > Matrix/Vibe. The tC has a Camry motor but as far as I know most
> > chassis, body and interior components are unique to Scion. I would
> > guess the same for the xA and xB.
> >
> > Late 80s Chevy Novas were Corollas under the skin and some interior
> > elements.[/color]
>
> I think Scions in Japan are sold as Scions; I can't remember.[/color]

Scion is a a USA-only brand. The current Scion xB was sold in Japan as
the Toyota bB. The xA was the Toyota ist. The tC was designed as a
Scion, although it of course borrows liberally from other Toyota
platforms.

RichC

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:46:30 -0800, rdclark2 wrote:
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>
> Hachiroku ãƒ?ãƒ?ãƒ*ク wrote:[color=green]
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 05:58:40 -0800, Mark wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > If Scion is an off-brand then so is Lexus. I wouldn't consider either
>> > to be rebranded Toyotas, at least to the same degree as the
>> > Matrix/Vibe. The tC has a Camry motor but as far as I know most
>> > chassis, body and interior components are unique to Scion. I would
>> > guess the same for the xA and xB.
>> >
>> > Late 80s Chevy Novas were Corollas under the skin and some interior
>> > elements.[/color]
>>
>> I think Scions in Japan are sold as Scions; I can't remember.[/color]
>
> Scion is a a USA-only brand. The current Scion xB was sold in Japan as
> the Toyota bB. The xA was the Toyota ist. The tC was designed as a
> Scion, although it of course borrows liberally from other Toyota
> platforms.
>
> RichC[/color]


Ah-So! I remember about the bB now! Thanks!
As far as I know, the tC is NOT sold in Japan; I believe they let the
Celica be the speedster there, and only sell the tCs in the US. This is
what I have been told, anyway.

I'll have to hit [url]www.toyota.co.jp[/url] and try to figure it out! ;)

Hachiroku ??????????? <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I think Scions in Japan are sold as Scions; I can't remember. Lexus' are
> sold as Toyotas; a lot of the Lexus models are JDM models that have been
> sold for a long time in Japan; Toyota never imported them because there
> were a lot of cross-overs (for example, Toyota decided to sell the Celica
> here rather than the Soarer(SC300) and dropped the Corona MKII in the US,
> but continued to sell it in Japan until they brought it back as the ES250).
> The reason for this is they thought nobody would pay that much for a
> Toyota here in the US, so they 'upscaled' them from their Japanese models
> and sold them with a new Brand name marketed as Luxury. I guess it worked.[/color]

It did work. I got tired of Lexus ads on TV, but I have to admit that
most rich people in my area are now driving Lexus instead of Mercedes.

What about Scion, is it the reverse? Did Toyota decide that the USA is
like a 3rd world country where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,
so they had to offer a low-end car to compete with the Koreans?

> Hachiroku ??????????? <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I think Scions in Japan are sold as Scions; I can't remember. Lexus' are
> sold as Toyotas; a lot of the Lexus models are JDM models that have been
> sold for a long time in Japan; Toyota never imported them because there
> were a lot of cross-overs (for example, Toyota decided to sell the Celica
> here rather than the Soarer(SC300) and dropped the Corona MKII in the US,
> but continued to sell it in Japan until they brought it back as the
> ES250).
> The reason for this is they thought nobody would pay that much for a
> Toyota here in the US, so they 'upscaled' them from their Japanese models
> and sold them with a new Brand name marketed as Luxury. I guess it worked.[/color]

Honda was the first Japanese manufacturer to come up with the idea of a
separate brand for their high-end cars when they introduced the Acura brand
.. Toyota (Lexus) and Nissan (Infiniti) followed suit several years later.

I think it was Bill Tuthill <ccreekin@yahoo.com> who stated:

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>What about Scion, is it the reverse? Did Toyota decide that the USA is
>like a 3rd world country where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,
>so they had to offer a low-end car to compete with the Koreans?[/color]

I don't know about that, but my understanding is that Scion was
supposed to find acceptance with the "youth" market, an area that
Toyota was having quite a bit of trouble with, especially compared
with Honda.

It didn't quite work exactly how they expected, 'cause the xB turned
out to be the biggest seller of the Scion line, and a lot of them were
snapped up by people like me, a 50-something professional who knew a
good deal when he saw it and got the xB as a nearly ideal commuter and
a fun-to-drive "go fetch" car that stands out wherever it goes.

I actually got my 2006 xB because I had bought a Camry SE the year
before and the salesman was waiting with the xB when I came in asking
what he had that would be a good replacement for my clunky aging Grand
Caravan conversion minivan . . . .

-Don
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