Way OT: Gastric bypass surgery

Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you know
whether or not they recommend it?

"That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
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> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you know
> whether or not they recommend it?
>[/color]

What does your doctor say, or are you doubting his/her advice?

"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
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>> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you know
>> whether or not they recommend it?
>>[/color]
>
> What does your doctor say, or are you doubting his/her advice?[/color]

I doubt everyone's advice. I'm not saying I reject that advice, but that I
don't just automatically accept it. Cutting up a perfectly healthy organ in
order to treat a mental health problem isn't medicine, it's quackery.
However, even quackery is better in some cases than doing nothing, when
obesity is life-threatening. And I use "nothing" as the alternative,
because expecting any results from current mental health practices is a
joke.

Yes,

Both my wife and I have had gastric bypass surgery. My wife is 4 1/2 years
out and I am 4 years. She lost 140 and I'm down 125 lbs.
A good resource is [url]www.gr-ds.com[/url] or [url]www.duodenalswitch.com[/url]
This is the type of bypass surgery we both had and so far it has been very
livable and IMO the best choice between the different types.

Hope this answers a few questions.

Cleo



"That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
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> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you know
> whether or not they recommend it?
>[/color]

"That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
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>>> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you know
>>> whether or not they recommend it?
>>>[/color]
>>
>> What does your doctor say, or are you doubting his/her advice?[/color]
>
> I doubt everyone's advice. I'm not saying I reject that advice, but that
> I don't just automatically accept it. Cutting up a perfectly healthy
> organ in order to treat a mental health problem isn't medicine, it's
> quackery. However, even quackery is better in some cases than doing
> nothing, when obesity is life-threatening. And I use "nothing" as the
> alternative, because expecting any results from current mental health
> practices is a joke.
>[/color]


Are you the subject of this mental health issue?

That Guy, 12/14/2006,6:24:59 PM, wrote:
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> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you
> know whether or not they recommend it?[/color]

I know the cashier in our cafeteria had the surgery. She was over 400
lbs. before the surgery, lost about a 100 lbs. and is back over 400
lbs. again. She moves around the cafeteria by leaning over a
roll-around cart.

"Cleo Jones" <Cleo@Jones.com> wrote in message
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> Yes,
>
> Both my wife and I have had gastric bypass surgery. My wife is 4 1/2 years
> out and I am 4 years. She lost 140 and I'm down 125 lbs.
> A good resource is [url]www.gr-ds.com[/url] or [url]www.duodenalswitch.com[/url]
> This is the type of bypass surgery we both had and so far it has been very
> livable and IMO the best choice between the different types.
>
> Hope this answers a few questions.
>
> Cleo
>
>
>
> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
> news:WO2dnU3hpc3RQBzYnZ2dnUVZ_vipnZ2d@giganews.com...[color=green]
>> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you know
>> whether or not they recommend it?
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

I know of several patients who have had it, but it's a long, sometimes
difficult process. I can't give you the first-hand advice "Cleo" gave you,
but I can tell you that it's not something to undergo lightly. You have to
be really ready to change your lifestyle. Someone mentioned a GB waitress
who gained back the weight. She was obviously not really ready for it.

There are also the postop things, such as supplementation, eating exactly
the size/type meals you're advised, etc.

In the long run, if you're willing to commit to it, I think it's a great
process. Keep in mind that while a lot of it is behavior modification,
after the surgery, you *can't* eat the way you did, without serious
complications, so that waitress mentioned earlier undid the procedure
gradually. She must have gone back to overeating, not exercising, etc.
right away. Too bad.

Natalie

"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Cleo Jones" <Cleo@Jones.com> wrote in message
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>> Yes,
>>
>> Both my wife and I have had gastric bypass surgery. My wife is 4 1/2
>> years out and I am 4 years. She lost 140 and I'm down 125 lbs.
>> A good resource is [url]www.gr-ds.com[/url] or [url]www.duodenalswitch.com[/url]
>> This is the type of bypass surgery we both had and so far it has been
>> very livable and IMO the best choice between the different types.
>>
>> Hope this answers a few questions.
>>
>> Cleo
>>
>>
>>
>> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
>> news:WO2dnU3hpc3RQBzYnZ2dnUVZ_vipnZ2d@giganews.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you know
>>> whether or not they recommend it?
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
> I know of several patients who have had it, but it's a long, sometimes
> difficult process. I can't give you the first-hand advice "Cleo" gave
> you, but I can tell you that it's not something to undergo lightly. You
> have to be really ready to change your lifestyle. Someone mentioned a GB
> waitress who gained back the weight. She was obviously not really ready
> for it.
>
> There are also the postop things, such as supplementation, eating exactly
> the size/type meals you're advised, etc.
>
> In the long run, if you're willing to commit to it, I think it's a great
> process. Keep in mind that while a lot of it is behavior modification,
> after the surgery, you *can't* eat the way you did, without serious
> complications, so that waitress mentioned earlier undid the procedure
> gradually. She must have gone back to overeating, not exercising, etc.
> right away. Too bad.
>
> Natalie[/color]

For the OP: Natalie is a nurse - listen to her!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

[toyomoho]

Wise to be cautious of modern medicine both mental and physical. Both have made great strides over the ages and done wonderful things for people. Unfortunately it appears that the corporate sales departments and maybe greed have skewed what is stated can be done for a person’s health. Talking in general here, not specifics. But just watch the TV ads.

I suggest you talk to people who have had this surgery, both the successes and failures. Perhaps there are some support groups out there where folks who have had this procedure could address you questions. Find a doctor that will present all the facts. Also, thought this procedure could involve major surgery; always wise to get the facts before having major surgery. I have known people who through diet, life style changes, moderate exercise, and will power have lost a LOT of weight and kept it off. For many people alleviating (or at least handling better) the stress in the life greatly helped. For some the process included counseling with a competent mental health professional.

I suggest you take the advise of Natalie and view this surgery as a part of a life style change and not a panacea in itself.

"toyomoho" <toyomoho.2iuh4z@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Wise to be cautious of modern medicine both mental and physical. Both
> have made great strides over the ages and done wonderful things for
> people. Unfortunately it appears that the corporate sales departments
> and maybe greed have skewed what is stated can be done for a
> person’s health. Talking in general here, not specifics. But
> just watch the TV ads.
>
> I suggest you talk to people who have had this surgery, both the
> successes and failures. Perhaps there are some support groups out
> there where folks who have had this procedure could address you
> questions. Find a doctor that will present all the facts. Also,
> thought this procedure could involve major surgery; always wise to get
> the facts before having major surgery. I have known people who through
> diet, life style changes, moderate exercise, and will power have lost a
> LOT of weight and kept it off. For many people alleviating (or at
> least handling better) the stress in the life greatly helped. For some
> the process included counseling with a competent mental health
> professional.
>
> I suggest you take the advise of Natalie and view this surgery as a
> part of a life style change and not a panacea in itself.
>
>
> --
> toyomoho[/color]

Good discussion...and NOT about politics!
A couple more points -
1. Any surgical operation under anesthesia is a risk, from the standpoint
of infection, adverse reaction to the anesthesia, etc. and gastric bypass
is Major surgery. It should not be entered into lightly. And it's not for
those individuals who are 50 or 60 pounds overweight...it's for the morbidly
obese only. Patients having the surgery have occasionally died, so take
that into consideration.
Lots of folks have benefited by it, but again, as has been pointed out, it
means a lifestyle change, and it is NOT the easy way to drop some weight.
Good luck.

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> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Cleo Jones" <Cleo@Jones.com> wrote in message
>> news:kxlgh.12991$un3.9416@newsfe14.phx...[color=darkred]
>>> Yes,
>>>
>>> Both my wife and I have had gastric bypass surgery. My wife is 4 1/2
>>> years out and I am 4 years. She lost 140 and I'm down 125 lbs.
>>> A good resource is [url]www.gr-ds.com[/url] or [url]www.duodenalswitch.com[/url]
>>> This is the type of bypass surgery we both had and so far it has been
>>> very livable and IMO the best choice between the different types.
>>>
>>> Hope this answers a few questions.
>>>
>>> Cleo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
>>> news:WO2dnU3hpc3RQBzYnZ2dnUVZ_vipnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you
>>>> know whether or not they recommend it?
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I know of several patients who have had it, but it's a long, sometimes
>> difficult process. I can't give you the first-hand advice "Cleo" gave
>> you, but I can tell you that it's not something to undergo lightly. You
>> have to be really ready to change your lifestyle. Someone mentioned a GB
>> waitress who gained back the weight. She was obviously not really ready
>> for it.
>>
>> There are also the postop things, such as supplementation, eating exactly
>> the size/type meals you're advised, etc.
>>
>> In the long run, if you're willing to commit to it, I think it's a great
>> process. Keep in mind that while a lot of it is behavior modification,
>> after the surgery, you *can't* eat the way you did, without serious
>> complications, so that waitress mentioned earlier undid the procedure
>> gradually. She must have gone back to overeating, not exercising, etc.
>> right away. Too bad.
>>
>> Natalie[/color]
>
> For the OP: Natalie is a nurse - listen to her!
> --
>
> Ray O
>[/color]

Thanks for the endorsement, but I'm not as great a source as someone who has
been there. The other folks gave some excellent advice here.

Natalie

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>> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Cleo Jones" <Cleo@Jones.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Yes,
>>>>
>>>> Both my wife and I have had gastric bypass surgery. My wife is 4 1/2
>>>> years out and I am 4 years. She lost 140 and I'm down 125 lbs.
>>>> A good resource is [url]www.gr-ds.com[/url] or [url]www.duodenalswitch.com[/url]
>>>> This is the type of bypass surgery we both had and so far it has been
>>>> very livable and IMO the best choice between the different types.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this answers a few questions.
>>>>
>>>> Cleo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:WO2dnU3hpc3RQBzYnZ2dnUVZ_vipnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you
>>>>> know whether or not they recommend it?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know of several patients who have had it, but it's a long, sometimes
>>> difficult process. I can't give you the first-hand advice "Cleo" gave
>>> you, but I can tell you that it's not something to undergo lightly. You
>>> have to be really ready to change your lifestyle. Someone mentioned a
>>> GB waitress who gained back the weight. She was obviously not really
>>> ready for it.
>>>
>>> There are also the postop things, such as supplementation, eating
>>> exactly the size/type meals you're advised, etc.
>>>
>>> In the long run, if you're willing to commit to it, I think it's a
>>> great process. Keep in mind that while a lot of it is behavior
>>> modification, after the surgery, you *can't* eat the way you did,
>>> without serious complications, so that waitress mentioned earlier undid
>>> the procedure gradually. She must have gone back to overeating, not
>>> exercising, etc. right away. Too bad.
>>>
>>> Natalie[/color]
>>
>> For the OP: Natalie is a nurse - listen to her!
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>>[/color]
>
> Thanks for the endorsement, but I'm not as great a source as someone who
> has been there. The other folks gave some excellent advice here.
>
> Natalie
>[/color]

If behavioral changes are needed after the surgery, and similar changes
would be needed WITHOUT the surgery (in an attempt to lose weight), why not
focus on making the changes without risking the surgery?

After many years of up and down, I lost 30% of my body weight (75 lbs)
through diet, exercise and hard work, and have kept it off for four
years. It can be done. Since it's going to take a change in your head
(or whoever you are asking for's head) anyway, I recommend you do it
without the surgery.



That Guy wrote:[color=blue]
> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you know
> whether or not they recommend it?[/color]

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>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Cleo Jones" <Cleo@Jones.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:kxlgh.12991$un3.9416@newsfe14.phx...
>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Both my wife and I have had gastric bypass surgery. My wife is 4 1/2
>>>>> years out and I am 4 years. She lost 140 and I'm down 125 lbs.
>>>>> A good resource is [url]www.gr-ds.com[/url] or [url]www.duodenalswitch.com[/url]
>>>>> This is the type of bypass surgery we both had and so far it has been
>>>>> very livable and IMO the best choice between the different types.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this answers a few questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cleo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "That Guy" <7@f.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:WO2dnU3hpc3RQBzYnZ2dnUVZ_vipnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you
>>>>>> know whether or not they recommend it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know of several patients who have had it, but it's a long, sometimes
>>>> difficult process. I can't give you the first-hand advice "Cleo" gave
>>>> you, but I can tell you that it's not something to undergo lightly.
>>>> You have to be really ready to change your lifestyle. Someone
>>>> mentioned a GB waitress who gained back the weight. She was obviously
>>>> not really ready for it.
>>>>
>>>> There are also the postop things, such as supplementation, eating
>>>> exactly the size/type meals you're advised, etc.
>>>>
>>>> In the long run, if you're willing to commit to it, I think it's a
>>>> great process. Keep in mind that while a lot of it is behavior
>>>> modification, after the surgery, you *can't* eat the way you did,
>>>> without serious complications, so that waitress mentioned earlier undid
>>>> the procedure gradually. She must have gone back to overeating, not
>>>> exercising, etc. right away. Too bad.
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>
>>> For the OP: Natalie is a nurse - listen to her!
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Thanks for the endorsement, but I'm not as great a source as someone who
>> has been there. The other folks gave some excellent advice here.
>>
>> Natalie
>>[/color]
>
> If behavioral changes are needed after the surgery, and similar changes
> would be needed WITHOUT the surgery (in an attempt to lose weight), why
> not focus on making the changes without risking the surgery?
>[/color]

The surgery is a huge help, as you're encouraged not to eat so much (it's
very uncomfortable to overeat). You're also in quite a bit of pain right
afterward, so, you usually won't want to eat at first. In fact, most of the
time, the doctor has a hard time getting the patient to eat enough, at
first.

Moreover, they try to determine whether you're a good candidate *before* the
surgery, by making you try to lose weight on your own. If the process is
done right, and the patient isn't just half-heartedly going into it, you
should already be starting to lose weight before the surgery.

Most insurance companies are very skittish about this procedure, not just
because of the chance of a relapse, but also the exorbitant cost, so they
really put you through the wringer beforehand.

Sometimes you have people go the other way, and over-lose weight, becoming
somewhat anorexic. It's intoxicating to have everyone notice how much
weight you've lost, and you can get carried away.

I don't like Barbra Streisand (ego the size of Texas), but she said
something that's pretty close to true: "Losing weight is the single hardest
thing to do."

Natalie

"Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> After many years of up and down, I lost 30% of my body weight (75 lbs)
> through diet, exercise and hard work, and have kept it off for four
> years. It can be done. Since it's going to take a change in your head
> (or whoever you are asking for's head) anyway, I recommend you do it
> without the surgery.
>[/color]
Absolutely, and so do doctors, but not everyone can. Candidates for bypass
have usually been trying for many years

Natalie[color=blue]
>
>
> That Guy wrote:[color=green]
>> Do you know anyone who'd had gastric bypass surgery? If so, do you know
>> whether or not they recommend it?[/color]
>[/color]