Low operating temperature in my Mazda, still

I give up! I have flushed and filled the cooling system, put in a new
thermostat, new radiator cap, and replaced the water pump (the old one was
leaking under the timing belt cover) and STILL the engine does not get to
operating temperature! I can't figure this one out.

Maybe I went a little heavy with the AF? I mixed about 60-40 since this is
going to be primarily a winter car, but even with putting a piece of
cardboard in front of the radiator it does not get up to temp unless
idling for 7-10 minutes, and even then as soon as the car starts moving
the gauge drops to cold.

Any ideas?

In article <_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07>
[email]Trueno@AE86.gts[/email]
"=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=" writes:
[color=blue]
> Any ideas?[/color]

Connectors? With the car standing still, the wires hang one way.
When it moves, they shake around and/or are blown to one side?
--
Andrew Stephenson

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 01:58:58 +0000, Andrew Stephenson wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07>
> [email]Trueno@AE86.gts[/email]
> "=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=" writes:
>[color=green]
>> Any ideas?[/color]
>
> Connectors? With the car standing still, the wires hang one way.
> When it moves, they shake around and/or are blown to one side?[/color]


Connectors for which? I have checked the connectors for the gauge and the
fan, and cleaned them and reconnected them.

I'm at a loss here...

Why is it everything I choose for a Winter car has no heat, and my Summer
cars have no AC?

I guess I'll run the Supra for the winter...it can keep you roasting with
the roof off!

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07...[color=blue]
>I give up! I have flushed and filled the cooling system, put in a new
> thermostat, new radiator cap, and replaced the water pump (the old one was
> leaking under the timing belt cover) and STILL the engine does not get to
> operating temperature! I can't figure this one out.
>
> Maybe I went a little heavy with the AF? I mixed about 60-40 since this is
> going to be primarily a winter car, but even with putting a piece of
> cardboard in front of the radiator it does not get up to temp unless
> idling for 7-10 minutes, and even then as soon as the car starts moving
> the gauge drops to cold.
>
> Any ideas?[/color]

Antifreeze should always be mixed 50-50 for optimal performance winter and
summer.

Check voltage coming out of the coolant temp sensor for the cooling fans to
make sure the cooling fans are not coming on too soon.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:52:31 -0600, Ray O wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07...[color=green]
>>I give up! I have flushed and filled the cooling system, put in a new
>> thermostat, new radiator cap, and replaced the water pump (the old one was
>> leaking under the timing belt cover) and STILL the engine does not get to
>> operating temperature! I can't figure this one out.
>>
>> Maybe I went a little heavy with the AF? I mixed about 60-40 since this is
>> going to be primarily a winter car, but even with putting a piece of
>> cardboard in front of the radiator it does not get up to temp unless
>> idling for 7-10 minutes, and even then as soon as the car starts moving
>> the gauge drops to cold.
>>
>> Any ideas?[/color]
>
> Antifreeze should always be mixed 50-50 for optimal performance winter and
> summer.
>
> Check voltage coming out of the coolant temp sensor for the cooling fans to
> make sure the cooling fans are not coming on too soon.[/color]

I...I..I've tried everything!
The fan is operating as it should. The coolant level is good, the cap is
new, yada yada yada. I just can't figure this one out.

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:bIjhh.2629$JL5.368@trndny03...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:52:31 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07...[color=darkred]
>>>I give up! I have flushed and filled the cooling system, put in a new
>>> thermostat, new radiator cap, and replaced the water pump (the old one
>>> was
>>> leaking under the timing belt cover) and STILL the engine does not get
>>> to
>>> operating temperature! I can't figure this one out.
>>>
>>> Maybe I went a little heavy with the AF? I mixed about 60-40 since this
>>> is
>>> going to be primarily a winter car, but even with putting a piece of
>>> cardboard in front of the radiator it does not get up to temp unless
>>> idling for 7-10 minutes, and even then as soon as the car starts moving
>>> the gauge drops to cold.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?[/color]
>>
>> Antifreeze should always be mixed 50-50 for optimal performance winter
>> and
>> summer.
>>
>> Check voltage coming out of the coolant temp sensor for the cooling fans
>> to
>> make sure the cooling fans are not coming on too soon.[/color]
>
> I...I..I've tried everything!
> The fan is operating as it should. The coolant level is good, the cap is
> new, yada yada yada. I just can't figure this one out.[/color]

My '68 Mustang had this problem, I solved it by using 2 different
thermostats - 1 for the winter and 1 for the summer.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

In article <bIjhh.2629$JL5.368@trndny03>
[email]Trueno@AE86.gts[/email]
"=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=" writes:
[color=blue]
> I...I..I've tried everything!
> The fan is operating as it should. The coolant level is good,
> the cap is new, yada yada yada. I just can't figure this one
> out.[/color]

Let's see if I've got this straight. The old girl is hot to go
before you start her up, but she cools off fast once you do? I
hate to break it to you, mate, but maybe your technique needs a
bit of work? ;-)
--
Andrew Stephenson

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 00:19:06 +0000, Andrew Stephenson wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <bIjhh.2629$JL5.368@trndny03>
> [email]Trueno@AE86.gts[/email]
> "=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?=" writes:
>[color=green]
>> I...I..I've tried everything!
>> The fan is operating as it should. The coolant level is good, the cap is
>> new, yada yada yada. I just can't figure this one out.[/color]
>
> Let's see if I've got this straight. The old girl is hot to go before you
> start her up, but she cools off fast once you do? I hate to break it to
> you, mate, but maybe your technique needs a bit of work? ;-)[/color]


Arrrrggggghhhh!!!!!!!!! ;)

On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:46:59 -0600, Ray O wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:bIjhh.2629$JL5.368@trndny03...[color=green]
>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:52:31 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07...
>>>>I give up! I have flushed and filled the cooling system, put in a new
>>>> thermostat, new radiator cap, and replaced the water pump (the old one
>>>> was
>>>> leaking under the timing belt cover) and STILL the engine does not get
>>>> to
>>>> operating temperature! I can't figure this one out.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I went a little heavy with the AF? I mixed about 60-40 since
>>>> this is
>>>> going to be primarily a winter car, but even with putting a piece of
>>>> cardboard in front of the radiator it does not get up to temp unless
>>>> idling for 7-10 minutes, and even then as soon as the car starts
>>>> moving the gauge drops to cold.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Antifreeze should always be mixed 50-50 for optimal performance winter
>>> and
>>> summer.
>>>
>>> Check voltage coming out of the coolant temp sensor for the cooling
>>> fans to
>>> make sure the cooling fans are not coming on too soon.[/color]
>>
>> I...I..I've tried everything!
>> The fan is operating as it should. The coolant level is good, the cap is
>> new, yada yada yada. I just can't figure this one out.[/color]
>
> My '68 Mustang had this problem, I solved it by using 2 different
> thermostats - 1 for the winter and 1 for the summer.[/color]


I may have mixed the AF a little too 'thick'. I'll add water the next few
times it needs topping...

you didn't put the thermostat in backwards did you? I did once about 30
years ago on a old clunker I own.
"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07...[color=blue]
>I give up! I have flushed and filled the cooling system, put in a new
> thermostat, new radiator cap, and replaced the water pump (the old one was
> leaking under the timing belt cover) and STILL the engine does not get to
> operating temperature! I can't figure this one out.
>
> Maybe I went a little heavy with the AF? I mixed about 60-40 since this is
> going to be primarily a winter car, but even with putting a piece of
> cardboard in front of the radiator it does not get up to temp unless
> idling for 7-10 minutes, and even then as soon as the car starts moving
> the gauge drops to cold.
>
> Any ideas?[/color]

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:13:57 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:46:59 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:bIjhh.2629$JL5.368@trndny03...[color=darkred]
>>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:52:31 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>>> news:_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07...
>>>>>I give up! I have flushed and filled the cooling system, put in a new
>>>>> thermostat, new radiator cap, and replaced the water pump (the old one
>>>>> was
>>>>> leaking under the timing belt cover) and STILL the engine does not get
>>>>> to
>>>>> operating temperature! I can't figure this one out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I went a little heavy with the AF? I mixed about 60-40 since
>>>>> this is
>>>>> going to be primarily a winter car, but even with putting a piece of
>>>>> cardboard in front of the radiator it does not get up to temp unless
>>>>> idling for 7-10 minutes, and even then as soon as the car starts
>>>>> moving the gauge drops to cold.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Antifreeze should always be mixed 50-50 for optimal performance winter
>>>> and
>>>> summer.
>>>>
>>>> Check voltage coming out of the coolant temp sensor for the cooling
>>>> fans to
>>>> make sure the cooling fans are not coming on too soon.
>>>
>>> I...I..I've tried everything!
>>> The fan is operating as it should. The coolant level is good, the cap is
>>> new, yada yada yada. I just can't figure this one out.[/color]
>>
>> My '68 Mustang had this problem, I solved it by using 2 different
>> thermostats - 1 for the winter and 1 for the summer.[/color]
>
>
>I may have mixed the AF a little too 'thick'. I'll add water the next few
>times it needs topping...[/color]

Still, that should not cause the things that are happening.
Try disconnecting the fans and see if it still happens.

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:35:50 -0700, RT wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:13:57 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:46:59 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:bIjhh.2629$JL5.368@trndny03...
>>>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:52:31 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>>>> news:_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07...
>>>>>>I give up! I have flushed and filled the cooling system, put in a new
>>>>>> thermostat, new radiator cap, and replaced the water pump (the old
>>>>>> one was
>>>>>> leaking under the timing belt cover) and STILL the engine does not
>>>>>> get to
>>>>>> operating temperature! I can't figure this one out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I went a little heavy with the AF? I mixed about 60-40 since
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> going to be primarily a winter car, but even with putting a piece of
>>>>>> cardboard in front of the radiator it does not get up to temp unless
>>>>>> idling for 7-10 minutes, and even then as soon as the car starts
>>>>>> moving the gauge drops to cold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Antifreeze should always be mixed 50-50 for optimal performance
>>>>> winter and
>>>>> summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check voltage coming out of the coolant temp sensor for the cooling
>>>>> fans to
>>>>> make sure the cooling fans are not coming on too soon.
>>>>
>>>> I...I..I've tried everything!
>>>> The fan is operating as it should. The coolant level is good, the cap
>>>> is new, yada yada yada. I just can't figure this one out.
>>>
>>> My '68 Mustang had this problem, I solved it by using 2 different
>>> thermostats - 1 for the winter and 1 for the summer.[/color]
>>
>>
>>I may have mixed the AF a little too 'thick'. I'll add water the next few
>>times it needs topping...[/color]
>
> Still, that should not cause the things that are happening. Try
> disconnecting the fans and see if it still happens.[/color]

DISconnecting it causes it to run! It must be a Ground-switching system.

Believe me, I've tried everything! And it's STILL cold!

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:Pi1ih.16079$aD6.10183@trndny02...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:35:50 -0700, RT wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:13:57 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:46:59 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>>> news:bIjhh.2629$JL5.368@trndny03...
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:52:31 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:_f1hh.524$WS4.460@trndny07...
>>>>>>>I give up! I have flushed and filled the cooling system, put in a new
>>>>>>> thermostat, new radiator cap, and replaced the water pump (the old
>>>>>>> one was
>>>>>>> leaking under the timing belt cover) and STILL the engine does not
>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>> operating temperature! I can't figure this one out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I went a little heavy with the AF? I mixed about 60-40 since
>>>>>>> this is
>>>>>>> going to be primarily a winter car, but even with putting a piece of
>>>>>>> cardboard in front of the radiator it does not get up to temp unless
>>>>>>> idling for 7-10 minutes, and even then as soon as the car starts
>>>>>>> moving the gauge drops to cold.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antifreeze should always be mixed 50-50 for optimal performance
>>>>>> winter and
>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check voltage coming out of the coolant temp sensor for the cooling
>>>>>> fans to
>>>>>> make sure the cooling fans are not coming on too soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> I...I..I've tried everything!
>>>>> The fan is operating as it should. The coolant level is good, the cap
>>>>> is new, yada yada yada. I just can't figure this one out.
>>>>
>>>> My '68 Mustang had this problem, I solved it by using 2 different
>>>> thermostats - 1 for the winter and 1 for the summer.
>>>
>>>
>>>I may have mixed the AF a little too 'thick'. I'll add water the next few
>>>times it needs topping...[/color]
>>
>> Still, that should not cause the things that are happening. Try
>> disconnecting the fans and see if it still happens.[/color]
>
> DISconnecting it causes it to run! It must be a Ground-switching system.
>
> Believe me, I've tried everything! And it's STILL cold!
>[/color]
Disconnect the power supply to the fans - I bet they won't run then!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)