Re: bought new camry - licence plates

Unless that title was signed by the owner(s) in front of an authorized
transfer agent, proving the own actually signed it, I doubt you own it no
mater what plate it exhibits. ;)


mike


"Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2J-dnRDDHJxIHx7YnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:2d007$45832483$44a4a10d$17117@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=green]
>>
>> <prakash3000bc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1166221851.954501.306220@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>>>I live in Illinois .. I just bought my first car - an used car today.
>>> The owner signed the title and bill of sale for me but didnot remove
>>> the licence plates (non vanity)
>>>
>>> I was wondering if I can continue driving around with his plates ON.??.[/color]
>>
>> No.[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> will that cause any problems for me?[/color]
>>
>> If you drive around with the seller's old plates, yes.[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> also, how many days do i have before I register my car with the DMV?[/color]
>>
>> 0
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Do I need to apply for new plates at the DMV
>>>
>>> Thanks much
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Yes, or you may also be able to get it done at a currency exchange.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]
>
> And don't forget to make sure the car is insured, at least w/liability
> insurance if not full coverage. It is a requirement and in many states
> you need to show proof if you're ever pulled over.
>
> Also when you register the car with the DMV you'll be turning in the title
> given to you when you bought the car, and a new title will be issued in
> your name. Until this is done, in the eyes of the DMV you are not yet the
> owner of this car. Their records will still show the previous owner.
>
> -Dave
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:ky2dnTGCcO8kSBjYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Unless that title was signed by the owner(s) in front of an authorized
> transfer agent, proving the own actually signed it, I doubt you own it no
> mater what plate it exhibits. ;)
>
>
> mike
>
>[/color]

It is not necessary to sign the title over in front of an authorized
transfer agent in Illinois.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Really? Every title state provides for owner verification by an agent or
notary. One can get a copy of your title quite easily. Send a change of
address card to the DMV, then copy your VIN through the dash and send for a
duplicate title to be mailed to the new address. The ONLY thing stopping
me form selling your car is the fact I can not prove I'm you, if I try to do
a transfer. ;)

mike


"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
news:81fd8$45871e3c$44a4a10d$24901@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:Yv-cnbMH_e7phBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Really? Then how does one know the person that signed the transfer area
>> on the title is the actual owner? In the states of which I am aware the
>> owners signature must be notarized, otherwise the title is automatically
>> voided.
>>
>>
>> mike[/color]
>
> I do not know how the Illinois Secretary of State's office can know if the
> person that signed the transfer area on the title is the actual owner, and
> have often wondered why there is not more widespread abuse in this state.
> The lack of safeguards is why we keep all of our titles in a safe place.
> ;-)
>
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>[/color]

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:33:19 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Really? Every title state provides for owner verification by an agent or
>notary. One can get a copy of your title quite easily. Send a change of
>address card to the DMV, then copy your VIN through the dash and send for a
>duplicate title to be mailed to the new address. The ONLY thing stopping
>me form selling your car is the fact I can not prove I'm you, if I try to do
>a transfer. ;)
>
>mike[/color]

You can't do that with my '92 Corolla Wagon... You can't read the VIN
thru the windshield...so I'm safe from your tricks, mike..



--

Scott in Florida

I'm just curious about how your registration systems all seem to be so
complicated. Is this a correct assumption or am I over simplifying?

Where I live in Queensland, Australia our system works like the following.
you need a recipt to prove you bought the car, this can be hand written or a
dealer recipt, and a Roadworthy cirtificate to prove it is safe to drive.
Vanity plates stay with a person, or can be sold. non vanity plates stay
with the car.
You then register the car or transfer the registration both of which need to
be done at your department of transport office or if your town does not have
one the local police station.
Someone looks over the car to check it for details such as vin and engine
number, and then looks at the Roadworthy and comfirmes the details and that
it hasn't expired.
If it is currently registered and they are happy you can drive away and you
get a form later to say you are the new registered owner. if you are a new
owner or you need new plates as it had vanity plates they will give you a
tempory sticker to put on the car untill your new plates and sticker arrive
by mail.

One a year you pay a registaion fee, which includes compulsary insurance to
cover damage your car does to 3rd persons or property, and then they send
you a new sticker for you car to prove that it is registered. From that
piont as long as you are the owner of the car and keep paying the
registration fee, you never have to prove the car is roadworthy, but you
must maintain it that way.
If you get pulled over by the police they can check if the car is registered
by calling it in or checking they sticker, and if they feel it is nessary
they can "Defect" the car. Which means you cant move it except under police
supervision or on a flat bed tow truck as they think it unroadworthy and
therefore unregistered and it is illigal to have an unregistered vechile on
public property. You then need to get a roadwotrhy done to prove that it is
Ok to use.

Nick


"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
news:1dadb$45872cde$44a4a10d$25323@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:qu2cnVr-h97VuBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Really? Every title state provides for owner verification by an agent or
>> notary. One can get a copy of your title quite easily. Send a change of
>> address card to the DMV, then copy your VIN through the dash and send for
>> a duplicate title to be mailed to the new address. The ONLY thing
>> stopping me form selling your car is the fact I can not prove I'm you, if
>> I try to do a transfer. ;)
>>
>> mike
>>[/color]
>
> I'll check the back of our titles when I get home, but I have never had a
> title notarized when selling or buying a vehicle in Illinois. After
> working in the car business in California and Mass, I thought Illinois'
> system was very antiquated when I moved back here, and still do.
>
> And yes, the opportunity for fraud and theft is high, but this seems to be
> SOP in Illinois.
>
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:81fd8$45871e3c$44a4a10d$24901@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Yv-cnbMH_e7phBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>> Really? Then how does one know the person that signed the transfer
>>>> area on the title is the actual owner? In the states of which I am
>>>> aware the owners signature must be notarized, otherwise the title is
>>>> automatically voided.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>
>>> I do not know how the Illinois Secretary of State's office can know if
>>> the person that signed the transfer area on the title is the actual
>>> owner, and have often wondered why there is not more widespread abuse in
>>> this state. The lack of safeguards is why we keep all of our titles in a
>>> safe place. ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"Nicholas Bourne" <nbourne@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4587380c@dnews.tpgi.com.au...[color=blue]
> I'm just curious about how your registration systems all seem to be so
> complicated. Is this a correct assumption or am I over simplifying?
>
> Where I live in Queensland, Australia our system works like the following.
> you need a recipt to prove you bought the car, this can be hand written or
> a dealer recipt, and a Roadworthy cirtificate to prove it is safe to
> drive. Vanity plates stay with a person, or can be sold. non vanity plates
> stay with the car.
> You then register the car or transfer the registration both of which need
> to be done at your department of transport office or if your town does not
> have one the local police station.
> Someone looks over the car to check it for details such as vin and engine
> number, and then looks at the Roadworthy and comfirmes the details and
> that it hasn't expired.
> If it is currently registered and they are happy you can drive away and
> you get a form later to say you are the new registered owner. if you are a
> new owner or you need new plates as it had vanity plates they will give
> you a tempory sticker to put on the car untill your new plates and sticker
> arrive by mail.
>
> One a year you pay a registaion fee, which includes compulsary insurance
> to cover damage your car does to 3rd persons or property, and then they
> send you a new sticker for you car to prove that it is registered. From
> that piont as long as you are the owner of the car and keep paying the
> registration fee, you never have to prove the car is roadworthy, but you
> must maintain it that way.
> If you get pulled over by the police they can check if the car is
> registered by calling it in or checking they sticker, and if they feel it
> is nessary they can "Defect" the car. Which means you cant move it except
> under police supervision or on a flat bed tow truck as they think it
> unroadworthy and therefore unregistered and it is illigal to have an
> unregistered vechile on public property. You then need to get a roadwotrhy
> done to prove that it is Ok to use.
>
> Nick[/color]

One of the major issues here in the United States is, you have 50 states and
50 different department of motor vehicles, or something similar. Each state
will have different prerequisites on what needs to be done to register your
vehicle and obtain plates. Some states may require safety inspections
and/or emissions tests. The details of these tests will vary depending on
the state which performs it. The type of insurance coverage will also vary
by state. If you purchase your car from a dealership in the state you live,
the dealership will handle the inspections, registration, plates, etc.
However, once you move to a new state you'll need to "retitle" the car into
the new state and obtain their plates, which is where you'll need to do
whatever the new state wants.

For example, if you move into California I don't think they'll even allow
you to obtain the California plates until you hit somewhere around 8500
miles on the odometer. I think this prevents people from buying their car
in another state and bringing it into California, skirting the tax laws or
something. Also strict emissions regulations in California. Not positive
on the reason. There's another state that requires an insurance stamp for
nearly anything you do, which will involve you going to your insurance agent
and back to the DMV - I think that one's Missouri. If you live in
Mississippi, just moving from one county in your state to another county,
you'll need to turn in your plates and obtain new plates in the new county
of residence. Other states will require a personal property tax, which is
usually paid at the time of registration renewal. For Virginia, there is
the county decal, which is proof your yearly taxes have been paid. Also any
time you move and register your vehicle from one island in Hawaii to another
island, you'll need to "retitle" it to the new island!

Once your vehicle is registered in your home state, you can legally drive in
any other state. Although it'll be rare if you ever see a car with Hawaii
or Alaska plate in the continental U.S. :-)

This is only a very brief idea of what happens here. Of course there are
federal laws and guidelines which all states need to follow - but then you
get into each individual state and local laws. Doesn't sound too consistent
does it?

-Dave

"Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_c6dncDU24sewhrYnZ2dnUVZ_qWvnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Nicholas Bourne" <nbourne@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4587380c@dnews.tpgi.com.au...[color=green]
>> I'm just curious about how your registration systems all seem to be so
>> complicated. Is this a correct assumption or am I over simplifying?
>>
>> Where I live in Queensland, Australia our system works like the
>> following. you need a recipt to prove you bought the car, this can be
>> hand written or a dealer recipt, and a Roadworthy cirtificate to prove it
>> is safe to drive. Vanity plates stay with a person, or can be sold. non
>> vanity plates stay with the car.
>> You then register the car or transfer the registration both of which need
>> to be done at your department of transport office or if your town does
>> not have one the local police station.
>> Someone looks over the car to check it for details such as vin and engine
>> number, and then looks at the Roadworthy and comfirmes the details and
>> that it hasn't expired.
>> If it is currently registered and they are happy you can drive away and
>> you get a form later to say you are the new registered owner. if you are
>> a new owner or you need new plates as it had vanity plates they will give
>> you a tempory sticker to put on the car untill your new plates and
>> sticker arrive by mail.
>>
>> One a year you pay a registaion fee, which includes compulsary insurance
>> to cover damage your car does to 3rd persons or property, and then they
>> send you a new sticker for you car to prove that it is registered. From
>> that piont as long as you are the owner of the car and keep paying the
>> registration fee, you never have to prove the car is roadworthy, but you
>> must maintain it that way.
>> If you get pulled over by the police they can check if the car is
>> registered by calling it in or checking they sticker, and if they feel it
>> is nessary they can "Defect" the car. Which means you cant move it except
>> under police supervision or on a flat bed tow truck as they think it
>> unroadworthy and therefore unregistered and it is illigal to have an
>> unregistered vechile on public property. You then need to get a
>> roadwotrhy done to prove that it is Ok to use.
>>
>> Nick[/color]
>
> One of the major issues here in the United States is, you have 50 states
> and 50 different department of motor vehicles, or something similar. Each
> state will have different prerequisites on what needs to be done to
> register your vehicle and obtain plates. Some states may require safety
> inspections and/or emissions tests. The details of these tests will vary
> depending on the state which performs it. The type of insurance coverage
> will also vary by state. If you purchase your car from a dealership in
> the state you live, the dealership will handle the inspections,
> registration, plates, etc. However, once you move to a new state you'll
> need to "retitle" the car into the new state and obtain their plates,
> which is where you'll need to do whatever the new state wants.
>
> For example, if you move into California I don't think they'll even allow
> you to obtain the California plates until you hit somewhere around 8500
> miles on the odometer. I think this prevents people from buying their car
> in another state and bringing it into California, skirting the tax laws or
> something. Also strict emissions regulations in California. Not positive
> on the reason. There's another state that requires an insurance stamp for
> nearly anything you do, which will involve you going to your insurance
> agent and back to the DMV - I think that one's Missouri. If you live in
> Mississippi, just moving from one county in your state to another county,
> you'll need to turn in your plates and obtain new plates in the new county
> of residence. Other states will require a personal property tax, which is
> usually paid at the time of registration renewal. For Virginia, there is
> the county decal, which is proof your yearly taxes have been paid. Also
> any time you move and register your vehicle from one island in Hawaii to
> another island, you'll need to "retitle" it to the new island!
>
> Once your vehicle is registered in your home state, you can legally drive
> in any other state. Although it'll be rare if you ever see a car with
> Hawaii or Alaska plate in the continental U.S. :-)
>
> This is only a very brief idea of what happens here. Of course there are
> federal laws and guidelines which all states need to follow - but then you
> get into each individual state and local laws. Doesn't sound too
> consistent does it?
>
> -Dave[/color]
The systems you have in place sound like a legal minefeild. I am gald we
only have 7 states. All our emmsions laws and Roadworthy standards are
basically nationide with minor variation such as costs of registration and
insurance as well as frequancy of roadworthyness checks. The only time you
need to change plates here is if you move from state to state, and even then
trasport companys can get nationwide plates. I think i'll have to slap
myself if i ever complain about our registraion system again.

Thanks for the info Dave.

Nick

Perhaps but the VIN is visible on many of the major body parts as well.
Look under your rocker molding or front and rear facia for instance. ;)


mike

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:2h9eo2l4ta82ceuelks1kj5grcp2i0m00f@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:33:19 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Really? Every title state provides for owner verification by an agent or
>>notary. One can get a copy of your title quite easily. Send a change of
>>address card to the DMV, then copy your VIN through the dash and send for
>>a
>>duplicate title to be mailed to the new address. The ONLY thing stopping
>>me form selling your car is the fact I can not prove I'm you, if I try to
>>do
>>a transfer. ;)
>>
>>mike[/color]
>
> You can't do that with my '92 Corolla Wagon... You can't read the VIN
> thru the windshield...so I'm safe from your tricks, mike..
>
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>[/color]

You will not find a raised seal on the title issue to you. The raised seal
only appears on the one sent to the state for transfer



mike



"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
news:1dadb$45872cde$44a4a10d$25323@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:qu2cnVr-h97VuBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Really? Every title state provides for owner verification by an agent or
>> notary. One can get a copy of your title quite easily. Send a change of
>> address card to the DMV, then copy your VIN through the dash and send for
>> a duplicate title to be mailed to the new address. The ONLY thing
>> stopping me form selling your car is the fact I can not prove I'm you, if
>> I try to do a transfer. ;)
>>
>> mike
>>[/color]
>
> I'll check the back of our titles when I get home, but I have never had a
> title notarized when selling or buying a vehicle in Illinois. After
> working in the car business in California and Mass, I thought Illinois'
> system was very antiquated when I moved back here, and still do.
>
> And yes, the opportunity for fraud and theft is high, but this seems to be
> SOP in Illinois.
>
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:81fd8$45871e3c$44a4a10d$24901@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Yv-cnbMH_e7phBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>> Really? Then how does one know the person that signed the transfer
>>>> area on the title is the actual owner? In the states of which I am
>>>> aware the owners signature must be notarized, otherwise the title is
>>>> automatically voided.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>
>>> I do not know how the Illinois Secretary of State's office can know if
>>> the person that signed the transfer area on the title is the actual
>>> owner, and have often wondered why there is not more widespread abuse in
>>> this state. The lack of safeguards is why we keep all of our titles in a
>>> safe place. ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

In the US when one buys a new vehicle the dealership provides a COV, a title
like instrument, that comes from the manufacture that is used to obtain a
title in a particular state. Generally, whenever the vehicle ownership is
transferred, the owner(s) signature(s) must be verified by a title agent,
notary, etc to be the signature of the legitimate owner(s.) That title is
surrender to the state, which then issues a new title in the name of the new
owner(s). Generally, the vehicle itself need not be seen to simply transfer
a title. The other requirements, generally, are that all taxes be paid,
necessary inspection criteria have been met, insurance coverage in effect at
the time of transfer and that a current, new, transferred, transit or
temporary, plate is in effect for that vehicle if it is to be driven on the
public byways on/or taken to another state. There are no federal licensing
requirements in the US, generally.



mike



"Nicholas Bourne" <nbourne@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4587380c@dnews.tpgi.com.au...[color=blue]
> I'm just curious about how your registration systems all seem to be so
> complicated. Is this a correct assumption or am I over simplifying?
>
> Where I live in Queensland, Australia our system works like the following.
> you need a recipt to prove you bought the car, this can be hand written or
> a dealer recipt, and a Roadworthy cirtificate to prove it is safe to
> drive. Vanity plates stay with a person, or can be sold. non vanity plates
> stay with the car.
> You then register the car or transfer the registration both of which need
> to be done at your department of transport office or if your town does not
> have one the local police station.
> Someone looks over the car to check it for details such as vin and engine
> number, and then looks at the Roadworthy and comfirmes the details and
> that it hasn't expired.
> If it is currently registered and they are happy you can drive away and
> you get a form later to say you are the new registered owner. if you are a
> new owner or you need new plates as it had vanity plates they will give
> you a tempory sticker to put on the car untill your new plates and sticker
> arrive by mail.
>
> One a year you pay a registaion fee, which includes compulsary insurance
> to cover damage your car does to 3rd persons or property, and then they
> send you a new sticker for you car to prove that it is registered. From
> that piont as long as you are the owner of the car and keep paying the
> registration fee, you never have to prove the car is roadworthy, but you
> must maintain it that way.
> If you get pulled over by the police they can check if the car is
> registered by calling it in or checking they sticker, and if they feel it
> is nessary they can "Defect" the car. Which means you cant move it except
> under police supervision or on a flat bed tow truck as they think it
> unroadworthy and therefore unregistered and it is illigal to have an
> unregistered vechile on public property. You then need to get a roadwotrhy
> done to prove that it is Ok to use.
>
> Nick
>
>
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:1dadb$45872cde$44a4a10d$25323@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:qu2cnVr-h97VuBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
>>> Really? Every title state provides for owner verification by an agent or
>>> notary. One can get a copy of your title quite easily. Send a change
>>> of address card to the DMV, then copy your VIN through the dash and send
>>> for a duplicate title to be mailed to the new address. The ONLY thing
>>> stopping me form selling your car is the fact I can not prove I'm you,
>>> if I try to do a transfer. ;)
>>>
>>> mike
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I'll check the back of our titles when I get home, but I have never had a
>> title notarized when selling or buying a vehicle in Illinois. After
>> working in the car business in California and Mass, I thought Illinois'
>> system was very antiquated when I moved back here, and still do.
>>
>> And yes, the opportunity for fraud and theft is high, but this seems to
>> be SOP in Illinois.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>>> news:81fd8$45871e3c$44a4a10d$24901@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Yv-cnbMH_e7phBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>> Really? Then how does one know the person that signed the transfer
>>>>> area on the title is the actual owner? In the states of which I am
>>>>> aware the owners signature must be notarized, otherwise the title is
>>>>> automatically voided.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>> I do not know how the Illinois Secretary of State's office can know if
>>>> the person that signed the transfer area on the title is the actual
>>>> owner, and have often wondered why there is not more widespread abuse
>>>> in this state. The lack of safeguards is why we keep all of our titles
>>>> in a safe place. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ray O
>>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

I've noticed that as well. Why then do the get federal interstate highway
funds, or why do they pay the federal highway gas tax of 18.5 cents? LOL


"Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
[color=blue]
> Once your vehicle is registered in your home state, you can legally drive
> in any other state. Although it'll be rare if you ever see a car with
> Hawaii or Alaska plate in the continental U.S. :-)
>
> -Dave
>[/color]

COV? Not familiar with that one - what is it? I may know it as an MSO -
Manufacturer's Statement of Origin. Comes with every new car and needed to
T&R. Are they supposed to be the same thing?

-Dave


"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:hC-dnfkv1PgPlRXYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> In the US when one buys a new vehicle the dealership provides a COV, a
> title like instrument, that comes from the manufacture that is used to
> obtain a title in a particular state. Generally, whenever the vehicle
> ownership is transferred, the owner(s) signature(s) must be verified by a
> title agent, notary, etc to be the signature of the legitimate owner(s.)
> That title is surrender to the state, which then issues a new title in the
> name of the new owner(s). Generally, the vehicle itself need not be seen
> to simply transfer a title. The other requirements, generally, are that
> all taxes be paid, necessary inspection criteria have been met, insurance
> coverage in effect at the time of transfer and that a current, new,
> transferred, transit or temporary, plate is in effect for that vehicle if
> it is to be driven on the public byways on/or taken to another state.
> There are no federal licensing requirements in the US, generally.
>
>
>
> mike
>
>
>
> "Nicholas Bourne" <nbourne@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4587380c@dnews.tpgi.com.au...[color=green]
>> I'm just curious about how your registration systems all seem to be so
>> complicated. Is this a correct assumption or am I over simplifying?
>>
>> Where I live in Queensland, Australia our system works like the
>> following. you need a recipt to prove you bought the car, this can be
>> hand written or a dealer recipt, and a Roadworthy cirtificate to prove it
>> is safe to drive. Vanity plates stay with a person, or can be sold. non
>> vanity plates stay with the car.
>> You then register the car or transfer the registration both of which need
>> to be done at your department of transport office or if your town does
>> not have one the local police station.
>> Someone looks over the car to check it for details such as vin and engine
>> number, and then looks at the Roadworthy and comfirmes the details and
>> that it hasn't expired.
>> If it is currently registered and they are happy you can drive away and
>> you get a form later to say you are the new registered owner. if you are
>> a new owner or you need new plates as it had vanity plates they will give
>> you a tempory sticker to put on the car untill your new plates and
>> sticker arrive by mail.
>>
>> One a year you pay a registaion fee, which includes compulsary insurance
>> to cover damage your car does to 3rd persons or property, and then they
>> send you a new sticker for you car to prove that it is registered. From
>> that piont as long as you are the owner of the car and keep paying the
>> registration fee, you never have to prove the car is roadworthy, but you
>> must maintain it that way.
>> If you get pulled over by the police they can check if the car is
>> registered by calling it in or checking they sticker, and if they feel it
>> is nessary they can "Defect" the car. Which means you cant move it except
>> under police supervision or on a flat bed tow truck as they think it
>> unroadworthy and therefore unregistered and it is illigal to have an
>> unregistered vechile on public property. You then need to get a
>> roadwotrhy done to prove that it is Ok to use.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:1dadb$45872cde$44a4a10d$25323@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:qu2cnVr-h97VuBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>> Really? Every title state provides for owner verification by an agent
>>>> or notary. One can get a copy of your title quite easily. Send a
>>>> change of address card to the DMV, then copy your VIN through the dash
>>>> and send for a duplicate title to be mailed to the new address. The
>>>> ONLY thing stopping me form selling your car is the fact I can not
>>>> prove I'm you, if I try to do a transfer. ;)
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'll check the back of our titles when I get home, but I have never had
>>> a title notarized when selling or buying a vehicle in Illinois. After
>>> working in the car business in California and Mass, I thought Illinois'
>>> system was very antiquated when I moved back here, and still do.
>>>
>>> And yes, the opportunity for fraud and theft is high, but this seems to
>>> be SOP in Illinois.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>>>> news:81fd8$45871e3c$44a4a10d$24901@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Yv-cnbMH_e7phBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>>> Really? Then how does one know the person that signed the transfer
>>>>>> area on the title is the actual owner? In the states of which I am
>>>>>> aware the owners signature must be notarized, otherwise the title is
>>>>>> automatically voided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mike
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not know how the Illinois Secretary of State's office can know if
>>>>> the person that signed the transfer area on the title is the actual
>>>>> owner, and have often wondered why there is not more widespread abuse
>>>>> in this state. The lack of safeguards is why we keep all of our titles
>>>>> in a safe place. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray O
>>>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Tax needed to fund the highway between California and Hawaii.

-Dave


"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:0C-dnQ6mcdH6lBXYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> I've noticed that as well. Why then do the get federal interstate highway
> funds, or why do they pay the federal highway gas tax of 18.5 cents? LOL
>
>
> "Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>[color=green]
>> Once your vehicle is registered in your home state, you can legally drive
>> in any other state. Although it'll be rare if you ever see a car with
>> Hawaii or Alaska plate in the continental U.S. :-)
>>
>> -Dave
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"Nicholas Bourne" <nbourne@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4587c466@dnews.tpgi.com.au...[color=blue]
>
> "Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:_c6dncDU24sewhrYnZ2dnUVZ_qWvnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Nicholas Bourne" <nbourne@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4587380c@dnews.tpgi.com.au...[color=darkred]
>>> I'm just curious about how your registration systems all seem to be so
>>> complicated. Is this a correct assumption or am I over simplifying?
>>>
>>> Where I live in Queensland, Australia our system works like the
>>> following. you need a recipt to prove you bought the car, this can be
>>> hand written or a dealer recipt, and a Roadworthy cirtificate to prove
>>> it is safe to drive. Vanity plates stay with a person, or can be sold.
>>> non vanity plates stay with the car.
>>> You then register the car or transfer the registration both of which
>>> need to be done at your department of transport office or if your town
>>> does not have one the local police station.
>>> Someone looks over the car to check it for details such as vin and
>>> engine number, and then looks at the Roadworthy and comfirmes the
>>> details and that it hasn't expired.
>>> If it is currently registered and they are happy you can drive away and
>>> you get a form later to say you are the new registered owner. if you are
>>> a new owner or you need new plates as it had vanity plates they will
>>> give you a tempory sticker to put on the car untill your new plates and
>>> sticker arrive by mail.
>>>
>>> One a year you pay a registaion fee, which includes compulsary insurance
>>> to cover damage your car does to 3rd persons or property, and then they
>>> send you a new sticker for you car to prove that it is registered. From
>>> that piont as long as you are the owner of the car and keep paying the
>>> registration fee, you never have to prove the car is roadworthy, but you
>>> must maintain it that way.
>>> If you get pulled over by the police they can check if the car is
>>> registered by calling it in or checking they sticker, and if they feel
>>> it is nessary they can "Defect" the car. Which means you cant move it
>>> except under police supervision or on a flat bed tow truck as they think
>>> it unroadworthy and therefore unregistered and it is illigal to have an
>>> unregistered vechile on public property. You then need to get a
>>> roadwotrhy done to prove that it is Ok to use.
>>>
>>> Nick[/color]
>>
>> One of the major issues here in the United States is, you have 50 states
>> and 50 different department of motor vehicles, or something similar.
>> Each state will have different prerequisites on what needs to be done to
>> register your vehicle and obtain plates. Some states may require safety
>> inspections and/or emissions tests. The details of these tests will vary
>> depending on the state which performs it. The type of insurance coverage
>> will also vary by state. If you purchase your car from a dealership in
>> the state you live, the dealership will handle the inspections,
>> registration, plates, etc. However, once you move to a new state you'll
>> need to "retitle" the car into the new state and obtain their plates,
>> which is where you'll need to do whatever the new state wants.
>>
>> For example, if you move into California I don't think they'll even allow
>> you to obtain the California plates until you hit somewhere around 8500
>> miles on the odometer. I think this prevents people from buying their
>> car in another state and bringing it into California, skirting the tax
>> laws or something. Also strict emissions regulations in California. Not
>> positive on the reason. There's another state that requires an insurance
>> stamp for nearly anything you do, which will involve you going to your
>> insurance agent and back to the DMV - I think that one's Missouri. If
>> you live in Mississippi, just moving from one county in your state to
>> another county, you'll need to turn in your plates and obtain new plates
>> in the new county of residence. Other states will require a personal
>> property tax, which is usually paid at the time of registration renewal.
>> For Virginia, there is the county decal, which is proof your yearly taxes
>> have been paid. Also any time you move and register your vehicle from
>> one island in Hawaii to another island, you'll need to "retitle" it to
>> the new island!
>>
>> Once your vehicle is registered in your home state, you can legally drive
>> in any other state. Although it'll be rare if you ever see a car with
>> Hawaii or Alaska plate in the continental U.S. :-)
>>
>> This is only a very brief idea of what happens here. Of course there are
>> federal laws and guidelines which all states need to follow - but then
>> you get into each individual state and local laws. Doesn't sound too
>> consistent does it?
>>
>> -Dave[/color]
> The systems you have in place sound like a legal minefeild. I am gald we
> only have 7 states. All our emmsions laws and Roadworthy standards are
> basically nationide with minor variation such as costs of registration and
> insurance as well as frequancy of roadworthyness checks. The only time you
> need to change plates here is if you move from state to state, and even
> then trasport companys can get nationwide plates. I think i'll have to
> slap myself if i ever complain about our registraion system again.
>
> Thanks for the info Dave.
>
> Nick[/color]

You're welcome! But it's a minefield when you move from one state to
another. Then it's a matter of going to your local DMV to find out what you
need. One way to get around it - don't move to another state! lol

-Dave

-Dave

Yes, COV is the government term

mike

"Dave L" <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zvmdnSklT-QRCBXYnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=blue]
> COV? Not familiar with that one - what is it? I may know it as an MSO -
> Manufacturer's Statement of Origin. Comes with every new car and needed
> to T&R. Are they supposed to be the same thing?
>
> -Dave
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:hC-dnfkv1PgPlRXYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> In the US when one buys a new vehicle the dealership provides a COV, a
>> title like instrument, that comes from the manufacture that is used to
>> obtain a title in a particular state. Generally, whenever the vehicle
>> ownership is transferred, the owner(s) signature(s) must be verified by a
>> title agent, notary, etc to be the signature of the legitimate owner(s.)
>> That title is surrender to the state, which then issues a new title in
>> the name of the new owner(s). Generally, the vehicle itself need not be
>> seen to simply transfer a title. The other requirements, generally, are
>> that all taxes be paid, necessary inspection criteria have been met,
>> insurance coverage in effect at the time of transfer and that a current,
>> new, transferred, transit or temporary, plate is in effect for that
>> vehicle if it is to be driven on the public byways on/or taken to another
>> state. There are no federal licensing requirements in the US, generally.
>>
>>
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
>> "Nicholas Bourne" <nbourne@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4587380c@dnews.tpgi.com.au...[color=darkred]
>>> I'm just curious about how your registration systems all seem to be so
>>> complicated. Is this a correct assumption or am I over simplifying?
>>>
>>> Where I live in Queensland, Australia our system works like the
>>> following. you need a recipt to prove you bought the car, this can be
>>> hand written or a dealer recipt, and a Roadworthy cirtificate to prove
>>> it is safe to drive. Vanity plates stay with a person, or can be sold.
>>> non vanity plates stay with the car.
>>> You then register the car or transfer the registration both of which
>>> need to be done at your department of transport office or if your town
>>> does not have one the local police station.
>>> Someone looks over the car to check it for details such as vin and
>>> engine number, and then looks at the Roadworthy and comfirmes the
>>> details and that it hasn't expired.
>>> If it is currently registered and they are happy you can drive away and
>>> you get a form later to say you are the new registered owner. if you are
>>> a new owner or you need new plates as it had vanity plates they will
>>> give you a tempory sticker to put on the car untill your new plates and
>>> sticker arrive by mail.
>>>
>>> One a year you pay a registaion fee, which includes compulsary insurance
>>> to cover damage your car does to 3rd persons or property, and then they
>>> send you a new sticker for you car to prove that it is registered. From
>>> that piont as long as you are the owner of the car and keep paying the
>>> registration fee, you never have to prove the car is roadworthy, but you
>>> must maintain it that way.
>>> If you get pulled over by the police they can check if the car is
>>> registered by calling it in or checking they sticker, and if they feel
>>> it is nessary they can "Defect" the car. Which means you cant move it
>>> except under police supervision or on a flat bed tow truck as they think
>>> it unroadworthy and therefore unregistered and it is illigal to have an
>>> unregistered vechile on public property. You then need to get a
>>> roadwotrhy done to prove that it is Ok to use.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>>> news:1dadb$45872cde$44a4a10d$25323@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:qu2cnVr-h97VuBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>> Really? Every title state provides for owner verification by an agent
>>>>> or notary. One can get a copy of your title quite easily. Send a
>>>>> change of address card to the DMV, then copy your VIN through the dash
>>>>> and send for a duplicate title to be mailed to the new address. The
>>>>> ONLY thing stopping me form selling your car is the fact I can not
>>>>> prove I'm you, if I try to do a transfer. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> mike
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll check the back of our titles when I get home, but I have never had
>>>> a title notarized when selling or buying a vehicle in Illinois. After
>>>> working in the car business in California and Mass, I thought Illinois'
>>>> system was very antiquated when I moved back here, and still do.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, the opportunity for fraud and theft is high, but this seems to
>>>> be SOP in Illinois.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ray O
>>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>>>>> news:81fd8$45871e3c$44a4a10d$24901@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Yv-cnbMH_e7phBrYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>>>> Really? Then how does one know the person that signed the transfer
>>>>>>> area on the title is the actual owner? In the states of which I am
>>>>>>> aware the owners signature must be notarized, otherwise the title is
>>>>>>> automatically voided.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not know how the Illinois Secretary of State's office can know
>>>>>> if the person that signed the transfer area on the title is the
>>>>>> actual owner, and have often wondered why there is not more
>>>>>> widespread abuse in this state. The lack of safeguards is why we keep
>>>>>> all of our titles in a safe place. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray O
>>>>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]