Re: 1992 Toyota Camry Radio Problem

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:15:17 +0000, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
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> Pop the radio out of the dash and make sure it's actually getting
> power and ground at all the right pins on the radio connector - it might
> be a bad wire or loose connection somewhere. Rick or someone around here
> has the "universal color codes" for the wiring harness, and will chime
> in...[/color]

Oh, dear...the 'universal color codes' change every few years, and also
can be different between models!

Best thin is to go to a Toy dealer and ask them for a print of the harness
to the radio. It will give the colors used for the model and year in
question.

And don't let them tell you they can't! They CAN. If they don't, or
suggest letting one of their techs taking a look at it, go to another
dealer or contact Toyota Customer Care!

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
news:zTSkh.10685$6Z5.3325@trndny01...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:15:17 +0000, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Pop the radio out of the dash and make sure it's actually getting
>> power and ground at all the right pins on the radio connector - it might
>> be a bad wire or loose connection somewhere. Rick or someone around here
>> has the "universal color codes" for the wiring harness, and will chime
>> in...[/color]
>
> Oh, dear...the 'universal color codes' change every few years, and also
> can be different between models!
>
> Best thin is to go to a Toy dealer and ask them for a print of the harness
> to the radio. It will give the colors used for the model and year in
> question.
>
> And don't let them tell you they can't! They CAN. If they don't, or
> suggest letting one of their techs taking a look at it, go to another
> dealer or contact Toyota Customer Care!
>[/color]
Or go to [url]http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/index.html[/url] and download the
manual and wiring diagrams for free.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:50:28 -0600, Ray O wrote:
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>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:zTSkh.10685$6Z5.3325@trndny01...[color=green]
>> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:15:17 +0000, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Pop the radio out of the dash and make sure it's actually getting
>>> power and ground at all the right pins on the radio connector - it
>>> might be a bad wire or loose connection somewhere. Rick or someone
>>> around here has the "universal color codes" for the wiring harness, and
>>> will chime in...[/color]
>>
>> Oh, dear...the 'universal color codes' change every few years, and also
>> can be different between models!
>>
>> Best thin is to go to a Toy dealer and ask them for a print of the
>> harness to the radio. It will give the colors used for the model and
>> year in question.
>>
>> And don't let them tell you they can't! They CAN. If they don't, or
>> suggest letting one of their techs taking a look at it, go to another
>> dealer or contact Toyota Customer Care!
>>[/color]
> Or go to [url]http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/index.html[/url] and download the
> manual and wiring diagrams for free.[/color]


Ya, dot too!

Why don't they have Supra WD's?

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:44:06 -0600, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:[color=blue]
>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>news:7BVkh.3047$oo4.1317@trndny09...[color=green]
>> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:50:28 -0600, Ray O wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:zTSkh.10685$6Z5.3325@trndny01...
>>>> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:15:17 +0000, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>> Pop the radio out of the dash and make sure it's actually getting
>>>>> power and ground at all the right pins on the radio connector - it
>>>>> might be a bad wire or loose connection somewhere. Rick or someone
>>>>> around here has the "universal color codes" for the wiring harness, and
>>>>> will chime in...
>>>>
>>>> Oh, dear...the 'universal color codes' change every few years, and also
>>>> can be different between models!
>>>>
>>>> Best thin is to go to a Toy dealer and ask them for a print of the
>>>> harness to the radio. It will give the colors used for the model and
>>>> year in question.
>>>>
>>>> And don't let them tell you they can't! They CAN. If they don't, or
>>>> suggest letting one of their techs taking a look at it, go to another
>>>> dealer or contact Toyota Customer Care![/color][/color][/color]

Any dealer that risks your potential future business (selling you a
new car) to extort anything more than a token payment (IMHO $5 would
be reasonable) for something as simple as a wiring diagram print-out
deserves scorn and ridicule.

The $10 a day plan at [url]http://techinfo.toyota.com[/url] is a bit much for
extremely simple things like that diagram, but isn't a bad deal for
more complex subjects.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Or go to [url]http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/index.html[/url] and download the
>>> manual and wiring diagrams for free.[/color][/color][/color]

Ooh - Bookmarked! Even though I don't have one.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Ya, dot too!
>> Why don't they have Supra WD's?[/color]
>
>Because nobody took the time to scan them?[/color]

Got a scanner, a place to borrow the books, and some free time?

I would voice copyright concerns, but for all practical purposes the
FSM books start getting hard to get after about 10 years, and
impossible after 20 - unless a Car Club association goes through all
the expense and trouble of licensing for making reprints.

Information doesn't necessarily "deserve to be free" but it DOES
deserve to be available, accurate and complete, and at a reasonable
cost. We can argue over what constitutes "reasonable" later.

If this stuff is backed up on the Web in multiple places, the odds
of it disappearing is nonexistent. If you wait for the copyrights to
expire (up to 75 years, if they don't get them extended again*), much
of it will already be lost.

The law is very murky - Even though the Copyright laws were meant to
protect the Intellectual Property Rights of an individual author of
the work, corporate entities now own the works and corporations never
"die" - but they operate under the mistaken impression that as long as
they're in business they own that copyright in perpetuity.

Every time the early Mickey Mouse works (et al.) are about to term
out and go Public Domain, the Big US Media Corporations get together
and go to Congress, the lobbyists spread around some serious lucre,
and they get the copyright terms extended yet again.

The US Supreme Court should address this, but first someone would
have to send a test case through - and have more money than the
corporate copyright attorneys who would be sent up against them.

Gee, I went off on a tangent again... Oh well. At least I hope you
learned something from it. ;-)

--<< Bruce >>--

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These are the car's harness wires.

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These are the cables that come out the back of the new radio I bought.

Now, how do I connect the two? Do I have to cut the wires and connect
them to their mate on the other?

Thanks much for pardoning my poor English.

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:33:19 +0000, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
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> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 14:44:06 -0600, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:[color=green]
>>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>news:7BVkh.3047$oo4.1317@trndny09...[color=darkred]
>>> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 12:50:28 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
>>>> news:zTSkh.10685$6Z5.3325@trndny01...
>>>>> On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:15:17 +0000, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>>> Pop the radio out of the dash and make sure it's actually getting
>>>>>> power and ground at all the right pins on the radio connector - it
>>>>>> might be a bad wire or loose connection somewhere. Rick or someone
>>>>>> around here has the "universal color codes" for the wiring harness,
>>>>>> and will chime in...
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, dear...the 'universal color codes' change every few years, and
>>>>> also can be different between models!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best thin is to go to a Toy dealer and ask them for a print of the
>>>>> harness to the radio. It will give the colors used for the model and
>>>>> year in question.
>>>>>
>>>>> And don't let them tell you they can't! They CAN. If they don't, or
>>>>> suggest letting one of their techs taking a look at it, go to another
>>>>> dealer or contact Toyota Customer Care![/color][/color]
>
> Any dealer that risks your potential future business (selling you a
> new car) to extort anything more than a token payment (IMHO $5 would be
> reasonable) for something as simple as a wiring diagram print-out deserves
> scorn and ridicule.[/color]

I've always gotten them free...


[color=blue]
>
> The $10 a day plan at [url]http://techinfo.toyota.com[/url] is a bit much for
> extremely simple things like that diagram, but isn't a bad deal for more
> complex subjects.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> Or go to [url]http://oregonstate.edu/~tongt/camry/index.html[/url] and download
>>>> the manual and wiring diagrams for free.[/color][/color]
>
> Ooh - Bookmarked! Even though I don't have one.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Ya, dot too!
>>> Why don't they have Supra WD's?[/color]
>>
>>Because nobody took the time to scan them?[/color]
>
> Got a scanner, a place to borrow the books, and some free time?[/color]

I have the TSRM for a '90 on CD, and my thumb drive...if I can remember
what the hell I *DID* with them!!!

[color=blue]
>
> I would voice copyright concerns, but for all practical purposes the
> FSM books start getting hard to get after about 10 years, and impossible
> after 20 - unless a Car Club association goes through all the expense and
> trouble of licensing for making reprints.[/color]

Even the dealer I worked at didn't have to book for an '88 Supra! Oldest
was '91.


[color=blue]
>
> Information doesn't necessarily "deserve to be free" but it DOES
> deserve to be available, accurate and complete, and at a reasonable cost.
> We can argue over what constitutes "reasonable" later.
>
> If this stuff is backed up on the Web in multiple places, the odds
> of it disappearing is nonexistent. If you wait for the copyrights to
> expire (up to 75 years, if they don't get them extended again*), much of
> it will already be lost.
>
> The law is very murky - Even though the Copyright laws were meant to
> protect the Intellectual Property Rights of an individual author of the
> work, corporate entities now own the works and corporations never "die" -
> but they operate under the mistaken impression that as long as they're in
> business they own that copyright in perpetuity.
>
> Every time the early Mickey Mouse works (et al.) are about to term
> out and go Public Domain, the Big US Media Corporations get together and
> go to Congress, the lobbyists spread around some serious lucre, and they
> get the copyright terms extended yet again.
>
> The US Supreme Court should address this, but first someone would
> have to send a test case through - and have more money than the corporate
> copyright attorneys who would be sent up against them.
>
> Gee, I went off on a tangent again... Oh well. At least I hope you
> learned something from it. ;-)
>
> --<< Bruce >>--[/color]


I think as long as the Disney Corp is in existance, THEY should have the
rights to Mickey Mouse. Walt created it and it was his, and Disney is the
company he started! Same for anything.

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006 16:44:16 -0800, AEscalante wrote:
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> <a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img
> src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/xxalejandro/DSC00404.png"
> border="0" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"></a> These are the
> car's harness wires.
>
> <a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img
> src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/xxalejandro/DSC00403.png"
> border="0" alt="Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting"></a> These are the
> cables that come out the back of the new radio I bought.
>
> Now, how do I connect the two? Do I have to cut the wires and connect
> them to their mate on the other?
>
> Thanks much for pardoning my poor English.[/color]


Oh, this is NOT good....

Your 'New' radio is a Toyota radio?

What you have here is an Old Style connector in the car, and a New Style
connector on the radio...

Where are you? Are you in the US? If so, you can go to Wal*mart and get a
Scosche connector for Toyota, which will plug into your car harness, but
has the same exact connector as on your radio. Then, follow the wires from
the connector on the radio to the harness in the car. THEN look at the
colors, and the chart that comes with the harness from Wal*Mart. The
colors listed on the chart are the standard colors used by most radio
manufacturers now, ie, purple for left rear, grey for right rear, etc.

Look here, this is for a Chrysler: [url]http://www.cardomain.com/item/SCOCR01B[/url]

but the colors are all the same (EIA Standard)

This is 1987+ Toyota: [url]http://www.cardomain.com/item/SCOTA02B[/url]


This is interesting, because the one at Wal*MArt has BOTH connectors on
one harness. I have one in my Supra, but I'm not ripping the radio out too
soon, and I think I sold the other one with my Tercel...

This lists all of Scosche's harnesses. Look at TA01B, TA02RB. These two
connectors plug into the radio. But neither one of these looks like the
plug on your radio, and I can't find the connector they sell at Wal*Mart!


Then (and I didn't tell you this) save ll the wiring, packaging, and
papers, bring it back and tell them it didn't work (it WON'T!) but, you'll
know which wires go where.

Good luck. There may be another solution, perhaps from Metra. If Wal*mart
still has this connector, that's the place to start...

See the install:
[url]http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1570567&postcount=20[/url]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 08:36:12 -0800, AEscalante wrote:
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> See the install:
> [url]http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1570567&postcount=20[/url][/color]


Oh, shoot, man! I thought you were installing another Toyota Radio!

I have one of those sitting on a shelf in my garage. I had it in my
Chrysler LHS, but I'll be dammed if I was letting it go with a car they
gave me $600 for at the Scion dealer. So, I yanked it and put it in my van
(also a Chrysler, and I already had the harness attached, so it took all
of 15 minutes.) I was going to put it in my Mazda I bought after I killed
the van, but opted for an Aiwa I had hanging around because the Aiwa has
a direct input (AUX) that I attached my XM to.

The only drawback with the JVCs is that it costs $50!!!!! for the
connector to connect an XM to it!

I also have a JVC Aresenal in my Supra. Slightly better, a bit more
wattage, and it plays WMAs as well.

Shoot, if you told me what it was, I could have given you exact
directions! But, I trust it wasn't too hard, esp if you bought one of
those adapters. It's really simple.

NOW, let's get you a 100W/Channel amp, some MB Quarts, and a Subwoofer at
300W (That's what I have in my Supra...)

I am thinking of installing 'your' radio into my Scion (that's why I
bought the harness!) but I'm trepdating...the Scion/Pioneer unit actually
sounds pretty good, and I've already upgraded the speakers to MB Quarts
all the way around!

How much did you pay for it (You'll probably get mad if I tell you what I
paid for mine on e-Bay...) ;)

I got the radio and a 12 disc CD changer for $80. Now my next project
is the CD changer. I need to time a good location. Any ideas?

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:14:04 -0800, AEscalante wrote:
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> I got the radio and a 12 disc CD changer for $80. Now my next project is
> the CD changer. I need to time a good location. Any ideas?[/color]


Do you have a power seat? I put stuff like that under the seat, as long as
it clears when my 'gotchung' (Chinese for tukas...) is in the seat!. Or,
under the passenger's seat. These locations make it accessible. Or, if
it's small enough, in the glove or the console. You give up some space,
but it's slick!

$80? Not a bad deal! I paid $80 for the KD-6400 and the Arsenal together.

I think I will put it under the passenger seat. It will be tough, but
it is the most accessible and a fairly good hiding spot. It is too big
for the glove compartment.