GM, Ford sales plunge, Chrysler falls to No. 4

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> The injury loss ratings are almost meaningless in terms of actual safety.
>
> Certain vehicles attract certain kinds of drivers, in terms of age,
> driving experience, ethnicity, personality, etc., so it's helpful for the
> insurance company to know the loss data.[/color]

I agree with you to a point. However, do you think the sort of drivers that
buy Accords are much different than the ones that buy Camrys? Or that people
who buy RAV4 are a lot different than people that buy Escapes? If you
beleive this, then Toyota must attract the worst drivers in the US.

Ed
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> Where the data may have some small relation to safety, is that the crash
> ratings don't take into account characteristics of the vehicle such as
> handling and braking, which may enable the avoidance of an accident in the
> first place.[/color]

So you prefer the results of some very specific, well defined and easily
understood crash tests? I think you would do well to consider both.
However, it raises a red flag in my mind when a vehicle does rally well in
the IIHS crash test and then is absolute last in injury loss ratings within
it category (i.e. the Tundra for one glaring example). Even IIHS warns
people that you can't compare crash result between vehciles of difference
sizes, but then they give excellent ratings to little cars that have
horrible injury loss ratings.

Ed

C. E. "Ed" White <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:[color=blue]
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>> Where does one find [IIHS injury loss] information?[/color]
>
> [url]http://www.iihs.org/brochures/ictl/ictl.html[/url][/color]

Thanks. Toyota models summarized below; lower numbers better.

injury collision theft
4Runner 85 76 78
4Runner 4wd 75 75 59
Avalon 79 83 ?
Camry 110 91 60
Celica 153 179 91
Corolla 159 116 56
Echo 189 118 28
Highlander 88 63 62
Highlander 4wd 73 68 25
Matrix 146 113 34
Matrix 4wd 125 112 ?
Prius 70 100 13
RAV4 139 108 96
RAV4 4wd 123 104 54
Scion tC 172 229 63
Scion xA 178 134 30
Scion xB 156 115 85
Sequoia 76 70 80
Sequoia 4wd 73 71 100
Sienna 79 76 31
Sienna 4wd 58 85 22
Solara 116 111 56
Solara ragtop 95 84 ?

You should note that these numbers are for 2003-2005 Models. Some of the
vehicles (like the RAV4) have been completely redesigned and the old numbers
are how meaningless for the newer models. In other cases, little has changed
(Corolla, Matrix, Scion models).

Ed

"Bill Tuthill" <ccreekin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:45a8413f@news.meer.net...[color=blue]
> C. E. "Ed" White <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote:[color=green]
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>>> Where does one find [IIHS injury loss] information?[/color]
>>
>> [url]http://www.iihs.org/brochures/ictl/ictl.html[/url][/color]
>
> Thanks. Toyota models summarized below; lower numbers better.
>
> injury collision theft
> 4Runner 85 76 78
> 4Runner 4wd 75 75 59
> Avalon 79 83 ?
> Camry 110 91 60
> Celica 153 179 91
> Corolla 159 116 56
> Echo 189 118 28
> Highlander 88 63 62
> Highlander 4wd 73 68 25
> Matrix 146 113 34
> Matrix 4wd 125 112 ?
> Prius 70 100 13
> RAV4 139 108 96
> RAV4 4wd 123 104 54
> Scion tC 172 229 63
> Scion xA 178 134 30
> Scion xB 156 115 85
> Sequoia 76 70 80
> Sequoia 4wd 73 71 100
> Sienna 79 76 31
> Sienna 4wd 58 85 22
> Solara 116 111 56
> Solara ragtop 95 84 ?
>[/color]

C. E. White wrote:[color=blue]
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:45a7c33b$0$68960$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
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>> The injury loss ratings are almost meaningless in terms of actual safety.
>>
>> Certain vehicles attract certain kinds of drivers, in terms of age,
>> driving experience, ethnicity, personality, etc., so it's helpful for the
>> insurance company to know the loss data.[/color]
>
> I agree with you to a point. However, do you think the sort of drivers that
> buy Accords are much different than the ones that buy Camrys? Or that people
> who buy RAV4 are a lot different than people that buy Escapes? If you
> beleive this, then Toyota must attract the worst drivers in the US.[/color]

Not for Accord versus Camry, but definitely for RAV4 versus Escape.