Re: GM Nonsense About their "new" Electric Car

More nonsense from GM about how they are "working"
on an electric car but this time it will have
a little "hybrid" gasonline engine.

Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
already had an electric car and whatever
its limitations, they were too busy destroying
them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
working on that design or letting the eager users
buy them.

Nobody believes GM now.

CItizen Jimserac

Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> More nonsense from GM about how they are "working"
> on an electric car but this time it will have
> a little "hybrid" gasonline engine.[/color]
[color=blue]
> Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
> already had an electric car and whatever
> its limitations, they were too busy destroying
> them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
> working on that design or letting the eager users
> buy them.[/color]

To be fair, all the other manufacturers destroyed their EVs.
Toyota had sold some to customers, instead of leased them,
so they couldn't destroy those. But I don't think Honda
acted any differently than GM-- their EV just wasn't as good.

"Bill Tuthill" <ccreekin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:45a1bff7@news.meer.net...[color=blue]
> Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> More nonsense from GM about how they are "working"
>> on an electric car but this time it will have
>> a little "hybrid" gasonline engine.[/color]
>[color=green]
>> Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
>> already had an electric car and whatever
>> its limitations, they were too busy destroying
>> them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
>> working on that design or letting the eager users
>> buy them.[/color]
>
> To be fair, all the other manufacturers destroyed their EVs.
> Toyota had sold some to customers, instead of leased them,
> so they couldn't destroy those. But I don't think Honda
> acted any differently than GM-- their EV just wasn't as good.[/color]

No, Toyota leased them all and then sold some after the experiment was over.



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I believe if you do a search you will discover GM could not have sold their
electric cars to the general public, even if they wanted to sell them GM
was given emission and safety exemptions by the EPA and NHTSA, for those
cars as limited production, experimental, vehicles. Like all experimental
vehicles, the manufactures destroy them to avoid liability if they would get
into the hands of the public.

mike


"Jimserac" <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168186236.859112.188730@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[color=blue]
> Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
> already had an electric car and whatever
> its limitations, they were too busy destroying
> them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
> working on that design or letting the eager users
> buy them.
> CItizen Jimserac
>[/color]

Mike Hunter <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> I believe if you do a search you will discover GM could not have sold their
> electric cars to the general public, even if they wanted to sell them GM
> was given emission and safety exemptions by the EPA and NHTSA, for those
> cars as limited production, experimental, vehicles. Like all experimental
> vehicles, the manufactures destroy them to avoid liability if they would get
> into the hands of the public.[/color]

How do you know why the various manufacturers destroyed their EVs?
Are you on GM's corporate board?

I don't know the truth of the matter, so I'm not making a SWAG (s = silly).

One telling moment in the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car"
is the mechanic who said his hands weren't even dirty after a day's work.
Moviemakers lined up all oil filters, bottles of lubricant, and other crap
needed to make a regular car run for a year. The implication was that
electric cars don't use enough consumables to enhance corporate profits.

Jimserac wrote:[color=blue]
> More nonsense from GM about how they are "working"
> on an electric car but this time it will have
> a little "hybrid" gasonline engine.
>
> Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
> already had an electric car and whatever
> its limitations, they were too busy destroying
> them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
> working on that design or letting the eager users
> buy them.
>
> Nobody believes GM now.
>
> CItizen Jimserac[/color]

I thought that was a bit odd; especially after I watched "Who Killed
The Electric Car" Saturday night and then saw the article about GM's
"new" electric car the next day. The difference is this new one isn't
"really" an electric car at all...just a different hybrid. I think
consumers should quit waiting for the Big 3 to release the cars for
mass consumption and take a chance on some of the Zap offerings (I
could just see me toolin' down the highway in my Obvio or Zebra).

Bill Tuthill wrote:[color=blue]
> Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:[color=green]
> > More nonsense from GM about how they are "working"
> > on an electric car but this time it will have
> > a little "hybrid" gasonline engine.[/color]
>[color=green]
> > Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
> > already had an electric car and whatever
> > its limitations, they were too busy destroying
> > them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
> > working on that design or letting the eager users
> > buy them.[/color]
>
> To be fair, all the other manufacturers destroyed their EVs.
> Toyota had sold some to customers, instead of leased them,
> so they couldn't destroy those. But I don't think Honda
> acted any differently than GM-- their EV just wasn't as good.[/color]

Maybe that's why Ed Bigley, Jr. still has his Rav4 EV, eh? I noticed
his wife has a Prius (he has a new show on HGTV "Living with Ed" where
he does all things environmental and drives his wife nuts with it).

Seerialmom wrote:[color=blue]
> Bill Tuthill wrote:[color=green]
> > Jimserac <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > More nonsense from GM about how they are "working"
> > > on an electric car but this time it will have
> > > a little "hybrid" gasonline engine.[/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
> > > already had an electric car and whatever
> > > its limitations, they were too busy destroying
> > > them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
> > > working on that design or letting the eager users
> > > buy them.[/color]
> >
> > To be fair, all the other manufacturers destroyed their EVs.
> > Toyota had sold some to customers, instead of leased them,
> > so they couldn't destroy those. But I don't think Honda
> > acted any differently than GM-- their EV just wasn't as good.[/color]
>
> Maybe that's why Ed Bigley, Jr. still has his Rav4 EV, eh? I noticed
> his wife has a Prius (he has a new show on HGTV "Living with Ed" where
> he does all things environmental and drives his wife nuts with it).[/color]

BEGLEY....my bad :)

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168298446.920880.232420@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> Jimserac wrote:[color=green]
>> More nonsense from GM about how they are "working"
>> on an electric car but this time it will have
>> a little "hybrid" gasonline engine.
>>
>> Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
>> already had an electric car and whatever
>> its limitations, they were too busy destroying
>> them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
>> working on that design or letting the eager users
>> buy them.
>>
>> Nobody believes GM now.
>>
>> CItizen Jimserac[/color]
>
> I thought that was a bit odd; especially after I watched "Who Killed
> The Electric Car" Saturday night and then saw the article about GM's
> "new" electric car the next day. The difference is this new one isn't
> "really" an electric car at all...just a different hybrid. I think
> consumers should quit waiting for the Big 3 to release the cars for
> mass consumption and take a chance on some of the Zap offerings (I
> could just see me toolin' down the highway in my Obvio or Zebra).
>[/color]

GM's Volt is "almost ready" which means they will take several years to get
it out, talking it up all the while. GM must be hoping they can stall
consumers from buying hybrids that are already available and that actually
work properly. Can you imagine what the "quality" problems would be the
first (or second or third or...) year of actual production? Consumers do
not have a whole lot of faith in Detroit (they have long memories) as
witnessed by their loss of market share. In the software world the first
year of production would equate to Alpha testing with the poor car buyer
being the alpha tester.

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:vXqdnfb7K9FAOj_YUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
>I believe if you do a search you will discover GM could not have sold their
>electric cars to the general public, even if they wanted to sell them GM
>was given emission and safety exemptions by the EPA and NHTSA, for those
>cars as limited production, experimental, vehicles. Like all experimental
>vehicles, the manufactures destroy them to avoid liability if they would
>get into the hands of the public.
>
> mike[/color]

Sure... Sure... Of course, this doesn't explain why there are still Rav4-EVs
on the road.
[color=blue]
> "Jimserac" <Jimserac@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1168186236.859112.188730@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>[color=green]
>> Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
>> already had an electric car and whatever
>> its limitations, they were too busy destroying
>> them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
>> working on that design or letting the eager users
>> buy them.
>> CItizen Jimserac
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]



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Jim Higgins wrote:[color=blue]
> "Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1168298446.920880.232420@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> >
> > Jimserac wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> More nonsense from GM about how they are "working"
> >> on an electric car but this time it will have
> >> a little "hybrid" gasonline engine.
> >>
> >> Pay no attention to this nonsense, GM
> >> already had an electric car and whatever
> >> its limitations, they were too busy destroying
> >> them in a remote auto junkyard rather than
> >> working on that design or letting the eager users
> >> buy them.
> >>
> >> Nobody believes GM now.
> >>
> >> CItizen Jimserac[/color]
> >
> > I thought that was a bit odd; especially after I watched "Who Killed
> > The Electric Car" Saturday night and then saw the article about GM's
> > "new" electric car the next day. The difference is this new one isn't
> > "really" an electric car at all...just a different hybrid. I think
> > consumers should quit waiting for the Big 3 to release the cars for
> > mass consumption and take a chance on some of the Zap offerings (I
> > could just see me toolin' down the highway in my Obvio or Zebra).
> >[/color]
>
> GM's Volt is "almost ready" which means they will take several years to get
> it out, talking it up all the while. GM must be hoping they can stall
> consumers from buying hybrids that are already available and that actually
> work properly. Can you imagine what the "quality" problems would be the
> first (or second or third or...) year of actual production? Consumers do
> not have a whole lot of faith in Detroit (they have long memories) as
> witnessed by their loss of market share. In the software world the first
> year of production would equate to Alpha testing with the poor car buyer
> being the alpha tester.[/color]

Exactly. Everyone recalls the unmitigated disaster that occured
back in the late 70's and early 80's when GM attempted to make
diesel engine automobiles. This company, just like the other major
auto companies, cannot create real innovation anymore.
They are fooling nobody but themselves now.

Likewise, everytime the president of Ford appears and starts talking
about their new innovative ideas, this is cause for instant laughter
from the company that made such classics as the "Taurus" (now
discontinued,
thankfully).


Jimserac