There were lots of assorted idjits on our roads, but the SUV/minivan drivers
were the most dangerous and arrogant. It was all I could do to keep from
being slammed by those jerks!
Natalie
--
"Wicked little doll, you are not human;
wicked little doll, you have no soul."
(David Byrne, 1997)
On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:04:44 -0500, Wickeddoll® wrote:
[color=blue]
> A little snow, a lot of morons:
>
> [url]http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253508[/url]
>
> There were lots of assorted idjits on our roads, but the SUV/minivan
> drivers were the most dangerous and arrogant. It was all I could do to
> keep from being slammed by those jerks!
>
> Natalie[/color]
Well, up here in the NorthEast, SOME of us know this.
But, you still get cocky morons who think because they have AWD they are
invincible...and still wind up in the ditch...
"Hachiroku ????" <
, Wickeddoll® wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> A little snow, a lot of morons:
>>
>> [url]http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253508[/url]
>>
>> There were lots of assorted idjits on our roads, but the SUV/minivan
>> drivers were the most dangerous and arrogant. It was all I could do to
>> keep from being slammed by those jerks!
>>
>> Natalie[/color]
>
>
> Well, up here in the NorthEast, SOME of us know this.
>
> But, you still get cocky morons who think because they have AWD they are
> invincible...and still wind up in the ditch...[/color]
Oh I used to see it in New Hampshire too. You'll note that a big cab truck
is shown in the ditch there....
Wickeddoll® mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.autos.toyota:
[color=blue]
> A little snow, a lot of morons:
>
> [url]http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253508[/url]
>
> There were lots of assorted idjits on our roads, but the SUV/minivan
> drivers
> were the most dangerous and arrogant. It was all I could do to keep from
> being slammed by those jerks!
>
> Natalie
> --
>
>
> "Wicked little doll, you are not human;
> wicked little doll, you have no soul."
> (David Byrne, 1997)[/color]
A) There was only one pic with one truck stuck? Hardly becomes an SUV story
does it? and
B) IME I'd rather be on the road with lots of SUVs than lots of small FWD
cars with cack tyres. From experience, when driven at sensible speeds, any
4wd SUV has better qualities in snow than a cheap light little FWD car. SO
basically its purely down to the driver being an idiot which occurs in any
car.
--
J
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"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>A little snow, a lot of morons:
>
> [url]http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253508[/url]
>
> There were lots of assorted idjits on our roads, but the SUV/minivan
> drivers were the most dangerous and arrogant. It was all I could do to
> keep from being slammed by those jerks!
>
> Natalie
> --[/color]
Yesterday a grain hauler rolled his truck over on I-91 spilling it's
contents and blocked traffic for two hours. The news report said the police
were not going to charge him. The only thing I can figure why not would be
if he told them some little crap box cut him off and there were other
witnesses driving large cars bias against small vehicles.
Pure speculation on my part. The higher one sits for driving, the smaller
everything else appears. And confidence level increases. Oh my. Have I
finally stumbled upon why people drive SUV's?
Its horses for courses, but I know I drive slower and safer in an SUV than
in my low slung celica. Thats because I can see in advance more and can see
when its not worth overtaking etc. I can see round/over hedges easier so
instead of going round them and relying on brakes to stop me if something
is there I can SEE if something is theres and ease off more beforehand.I
can see when the lights change much earlier and over small vans, so i dont
have to wait for their brake lights to tell me, i can brake earlier to
maintain more distance. On highways I can see further up the lane of
traffic and watch people doing stupid things - this gives me more time to
plan a course of action, whereas in my celica I can only see the car in
front and maybe a bit of the next one so when things go wrong I have to
rely on brakes and good handling to get me out of it. Also driving a
lumbering large vehicle is somewhat calming, IMO. Driving a fast low car
makes you feel more like getting somewhere fast, which isnt ideal.
However I'd rather have my celica when people cut me up, swerving and
braking is a lot easier in that. Id rather have my celica when i need to
get onto a fast road from a T junction.
But then I'd be stuffed trying to tow the boat with my celica.
--
J
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:18:12 +0000, Coyoteboy wrote:
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> Driving a fast low car
> makes you feel more like getting somewhere fast, which isnt ideal.[/color]
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:50:36 +0000, Coyoteboy wrote:
[color=blue]
> Wickeddoll® mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.autos.toyota:
>[color=green]
>> A little snow, a lot of morons:
>>
>> [url]http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253508[/url]
>>
>> There were lots of assorted idjits on our roads, but the SUV/minivan
>> drivers
>> were the most dangerous and arrogant. It was all I could do to keep
>> from being slammed by those jerks!
>>
>> Natalie
>> --
>>
>>
>> "Wicked little doll, you are not human; wicked little doll, you have no
>> soul." (David Byrne, 1997)[/color]
>
> A) There was only one pic with one truck stuck? Hardly becomes an SUV
> story does it? and
> B) IME I'd rather be on the road with lots of SUVs than lots of small FWD
> cars with cack tyres. From experience, when driven at sensible speeds, any
> 4wd SUV has better qualities in snow than a cheap light little FWD car. SO
> basically its purely down to the driver being an idiot which occurs in any
> car.[/color]
The key word here is 'sensible'. In reality, driving anything sensibly is
the ideal. My Corolla was horrible in the snow, so 'sensible' meant
driving the wife's Honda when the going got bad.
Problem is, a LOT os SUV drivers think they are invincible, and drive
faster than conditions warrant. The AWD gives them overconfidence, which
makes actual conditions easy to forget about.
The only time I ever drove SUVs was when I borrowed one from where I was
working, because road conditions were too bad for the car I had. But of
course, since they weren't MINE and wanted to get them back in one piece,
sensibility was the standard. Never wound up in the ditch!
"Hachiroku ????" <..
, Coyoteboy wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> Wickeddoll® mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.autos.toyota:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> A little snow, a lot of morons:
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253508[/url]
>>>
>>> There were lots of assorted idjits on our roads, but the SUV/minivan
>>> drivers
>>> were the most dangerous and arrogant. It was all I could do to keep
>>> from being slammed by those jerks!
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> "Wicked little doll, you are not human; wicked little doll, you have no
>>> soul." (David Byrne, 1997)[/color]
>>
>> A) There was only one pic with one truck stuck? Hardly becomes an SUV
>> story does it?[/color][/color]
But it was the *SUV/van drivers* that nearly got me killed, as well as
themselves. *sniff* You didn't read my comments. That hurts. Seriously,
the trucks were just as stupid.
and[color=blue][color=green]
>> B) IME I'd rather be on the road with lots of SUVs than lots of small FWD
>> cars with cack tyres. From experience, when driven at sensible speeds,
>> any
>> 4wd SUV has better qualities in snow than a cheap light little FWD car.
>> SO
>> basically its purely down to the driver being an idiot which occurs in
>> any
>> car. (Coyoteboy)[/color]
>[/color]
Tell him what he won, Johnny![color=blue]
>
> The key word here is 'sensible'. In reality, driving anything sensibly is
> the ideal. My Corolla was horrible in the snow, so 'sensible' meant
> driving the wife's Honda when the going got bad.[/color]
I have no choice. We don't have an AWD vehicle currently, so you take your
chances.[color=blue]
>
> Problem is, a LOT os SUV drivers think they are invincible, and drive
> faster than conditions warrant. The AWD gives them overconfidence, which
> makes actual conditions easy to forget about.[/color]
EXACTLY[color=blue]
>
> The only time I ever drove SUVs was when I borrowed one from where I was
> working, because road conditions were too bad for the car I had. But of
> course, since they weren't MINE and wanted to get them back in one piece,
> sensibility was the standard. Never wound up in the ditch!
>[/color]
Wickeddoll® mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.autos.toyota:
[color=blue]
> But it was the *SUV/van drivers* that nearly got me killed, as well as
> themselves. *sniff* You didn't read my comments. That hurts. Seriously,
> the trucks were just as stupid.[/color]
:D Tired of the anti-4wd crap i keep reading, and getting tarred with
brushes that dont apply when i need to own one. Its more than likely you
just didnt notice, as easily, the other drivers driving dangerously in the
same conditions but smaller cars. And to top it all off, an AWD SUV is
capable of being driven safely in weather that normal cars are not, so if
the SUVs were having problems maybe you shouldnt have been on the road
either? :-)
"Coyoteboy" ...[color=blue]
> Wickeddoll mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.autos.toyota:
>
>[color=green]
>> But it was the *SUV/van drivers* that nearly got me killed, as well as
>> themselves. *sniff* You didn't read my comments. That hurts.
>> Seriously,
>> the trucks were just as stupid.[/color]
>
> :D Tired of the anti-4wd crap i keep reading, and getting tarred with
> brushes that dont apply when i need to own one. Its more than likely you
> just didnt notice, as easily, the other drivers driving dangerously in the
> same conditions but smaller cars. And to top it all off, an AWD SUV is
> capable of being driven safely in weather that normal cars are not, so if
> the SUVs were having problems maybe you shouldnt have been on the road
> either? :-)
>
>[/color]
But you misunderstand. I'm not against AWDs at all, I'm just against those
who make it more dangerous for the rest of us, by doing things that are
indeed dangerous for *them* as well.
Not a single sedan endangered me - it was all pickups, SUVs and vans.
Period. Even the semis were being courteous.
As for not being out there - tell it to the doctors. They know I used to
live in New Hampshire, so I doubt they'd buy, "I can't come in cuz there's
an inch of snow on the ground, and I just don't know how to dodge the idjits
who don't know you can't stop on ice."
"Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wickeddoll mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.autos.toyota:
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>>
>> "mark_digital" <976-XXX@comcastnot.com> wrote in message
>> news:BPKdnYaKWtYuhV7YnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Wickeddoll" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:epth58.3go.1@news.evilcabal.org...
>>>>A little snow, a lot of morons:
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253508[/url]
>>>>
>>>> There were lots of assorted idjits on our roads, but the SUV/minivan
>>>> drivers were the most dangerous and arrogant. It was all I could do to
>>>> keep from being slammed by those jerks!
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>> --
>>> Yesterday a grain hauler rolled his truck over on I-91 spilling it's
>>> contents and blocked traffic for two hours. The news report said the
>>> police were not going to charge him. The only thing I can figure why not
>>> would be if he told them some little crap box cut him off and there were
>>> other witnesses driving large cars bias against small vehicles.
>>> Pure speculation on my part. The higher one sits for driving, the
>>> smaller
>>> everything else appears. And confidence level increases. Oh my. Have I
>>> finally stumbled upon why people drive SUV's?
>>>[/color]
>>
>> That's what I mean - bigger vehicle, smaller rationale.
>>
>> Natalie[/color]
>
> No, and you cant tar all people with the same brush - thats rediculous and
> infantile. I drive a large SUV and as mentioned below I drive it with more
> care and attention than my "normal" car. You cant group people by car and
> throw accusations any more than you can group them by skin colour. Maybe
> the driver had a blowout. Maybe he was cut up by some other vehicle but
> no-one caught the plate, large or small? Theres innumerable reasons for
> not
> pressing charges, and to assume that a truck driver not being prosecuted
> must mean a conspiracy against small cars is nearly as far fetched as
> filming the moon landings in a studio. You only dent your case with such
> arguments.
>
>
> --
> J[/color]
Before you get your jock in a twist, please read what I said in a previous
post.
There were plenty of careful drivers in vehicles of all kinds, but the ones
that made me gasp were always in AWD cars/trucks. This happens every time
I'm in bad weather, and I know you've seen it too.
The vehicles themselves are great - wish I had been able to afford one back
when my children were little, but I couldn't at the time. I had a
craptacular Subaru Loyale wagon for a while, but it was a roll of the dice
to keep that thing running, so that didn't work out. However, when it *did*
work, it was waaayyyyy better on bad roads, so I don't blame people for
having them. They just need to consider that the rest of us can't react as
easily to hazards as they can. Again, not blaming the car, blaming the
operator. You can't tell me what I've seen, and obviously others have seen
it as well. People do get overconfident in AWD vehicles, and endanger
others in the process. Not *all* AWD drivers - probably not even most. But
I'm telling you, the ones who did so yesterday here, were AWD vehicle
operators.
"Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wickeddoll mumbled incoherently to the rest of alt.autos.toyota:
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>>
>> "mark_digital" <976-XXX@comcastnot.com> wrote in message
>> news:BPKdnYaKWtYuhV7YnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Wickeddoll" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:epth58.3go.1@news.evilcabal.org...
>>>>A little snow, a lot of morons:
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=253508[/url]
>>>>
>>>> There were lots of assorted idjits on our roads, but the SUV/minivan
>>>> drivers were the most dangerous and arrogant. It was all I could do to
>>>> keep from being slammed by those jerks!
>>>>
>>>> Natalie
>>>> --
>>> Yesterday a grain hauler rolled his truck over on I-91 spilling it's
>>> contents and blocked traffic for two hours. The news report said the
>>> police were not going to charge him. The only thing I can figure why not
>>> would be if he told them some little crap box cut him off and there were
>>> other witnesses driving large cars bias against small vehicles.
>>> Pure speculation on my part. The higher one sits for driving, the
>>> smaller
>>> everything else appears. And confidence level increases. Oh my. Have I
>>> finally stumbled upon why people drive SUV's?
>>>[/color]
>>
>> That's what I mean - bigger vehicle, smaller rationale.
>>
>> Natalie[/color]
>
> No, and you cant tar all people with the same brush - thats rediculous and
> infantile. I drive a large SUV and as mentioned below I drive it with more
> care and attention than my "normal" car. You cant group people by car and
> throw accusations any more than you can group them by skin colour. Maybe
> the driver had a blowout. Maybe he was cut up by some other vehicle but
> no-one caught the plate, large or small? Theres innumerable reasons for
> not
> pressing charges, and to assume that a truck driver not being prosecuted
> must mean a conspiracy against small cars is nearly as far fetched as
> filming the moon landings in a studio. You only dent your case with such
> arguments.
>[/color]
I know someone who swears it was all a hoax and yet he works for the same
division I worked at for 25 years and he should know better. But it's fun to
listen to him and play along.
"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958diespammersdie@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:epv732.2fg.1@news.evilcabal.org...
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> That's what I mean - bigger vehicle, smaller rationale.[/color]
I have driven everything from a Ford Fiesta to a Ford Expedition in
the snow. I've also driven in NC in the winter and Michigan in the
winter. If I have to drive in the snow, give me almost anything in
Michigan over NC. There are a lot of reason we have so many problems
in NC when it snows. Here are a few that come to mind:
1) Inexperienced drivers
2) Not enough equipment to salt / sand / plow the roads
3) Cars with the wrong sorts of tires
4) The repeated melting and refreezing we have in NC
5) Hills
I worked in Michigan in the winter of 1978. From the time I arrived in
February until late March I never saw the ground. It snowed almost
every week. I had a Datsun 280Z at the time (and it had regular old
tires) I never had any trouble going anywhere. I was never once late
for work. It was rare to see a car off the road because of road
conditions.
Two years ago in Raleigh we had less than 2 inches of snow. BUT, we
had a layer of freezing rain under the snow. I never saw anything like
this in Michigan. The road were an absolute skating rink. I was
driving an AWD Saturn Vue. I had no trouble moving the car, and being
a cautious sort I never had trouble stopping either. However, on a
couple of hills I watched formerly stopped cars start to slide down
the hill with all four wheels locked. The drivers were not doing
anything wrong, the road was just so slick there wasn't enough
friction to hold the car in place. I had picked my son and a classmate
up at school. I tried to take the classmate home, about 10 miles up US
1 from Raleigh. After sitting stuck in traffic on US 1 for over 4
hours, I finally turned around and went back home. US 1 was so slick
where it crossed the Neuse river that cars literally could not drive
up the hill on the north side of the river (or stop either!).
I work with a lot of people from the North, and most of them are
willing to admit that North Carolina road conditions after a snow
storm are not the same sort of conditions you usually see in the true
snow belt states. Still, Northerners like to make fun of Southern
drivers when it snows, but even they couldn't drive in that mess 2
years ago. So when the local weather stations started talking about
bad weather yesterday, I just stayed home.
Of the vehicles I've owned, I rate the Expeditions as the best at
handling snow. They had enough ground clearance to avoid getting hung
up on the snow, a decent 4WD system, and good tires. I never had a
time when they couldn't go. I think the Fiesta was the best car I
owned for the snow (the Fusion I have now might be, but I haven't
tried it in snow yet). The worst snow vehicle I've owned was a Mazda
pick-up. It was 2WD and so light in the rear it couldn't get any
traction. The Mustang GT I owned was also a bad snow car. It had a
limited slip rear axle and traction control. In real snow it was fine,
but if the road was icy if was damn near impossible to drive. If you
left the traction control engaged, it would kill the engine power when
you tried to drive up a slick hill. If you turned off the traction
control, both rear wheels would break loose because of the limited
slip, and it was a chore to keep the rear end from coming around. I
think the funniest thing I did in the snow was back up a hill in a
Pinto. There were four of us in the car and we couldn't get enough
traction to drive up the hill in forward, so I tried backing up the
hill, and it worked like a champ.
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