Re: OT - Bush accelerating loss of troops

In article <12tl55bqsmvi75f@corp.supernews.com>,
"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote:
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> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
> news:cmmkt29ebvtfi4p9a8l09ua12oag3agu6t@4ax.com...[color=green]
> > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:47:36 GMT, "Art"
> > <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >>In case people don't understand, Bush's new plan is for the troops to stay
> >>24 hours a day in the Iraqi communities where they will be sitting ducks.
> >>Previously they would return nightly to safe zones. Example today of the
> >>new problem presented..... US troops stationed at Iraqi police station
> >>were
> >>attacked by a suicide bomber. When more troops came to their aid, a car
> >>bomb went off. When helicopters came in for the injured, they were
> >>attacked
> >>with machine guns and ground to air missiles. Great plan George.
> >>
> >>[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17224668/[/url]
> >>[/color]
> >
> > You dims must be soooooooooooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > More American heroes have been killed.
> >
> > It must suck to be a liberal...
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Scott in Florida
> >[/color]
> I cannot respond to your outrageous and cowardly slur upon people who only
> want our troops to be safe and alive.
> If I responded, I would call you names that your worst enemy has never
> thought of, and would burn the ears of the ladies on the ng. Therefore,
> let me just state that I find you to be lower than whale$hit, which is on
> the ocean floor.[/color]

Let's forget about the magazine, newspaper and web articles ect for a
moment. What do YOU think will happen when we pull out of Iraq before
it's stabilized?
--

"dbu," <nspam@nojoke.com> wrote in message
news:nspam-AA655C.03545820022007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=blue]
> In article <12tl55bqsmvi75f@corp.supernews.com>,
> "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>> news:cmmkt29ebvtfi4p9a8l09ua12oag3agu6t@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>> > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:47:36 GMT, "Art"
>> > <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>In case people don't understand, Bush's new plan is for the troops to
>> >>stay
>> >>24 hours a day in the Iraqi communities where they will be sitting
>> >>ducks.
>> >>Previously they would return nightly to safe zones. Example today of
>> >>the
>> >>new problem presented..... US troops stationed at Iraqi police station
>> >>were
>> >>attacked by a suicide bomber. When more troops came to their aid, a
>> >>car
>> >>bomb went off. When helicopters came in for the injured, they were
>> >>attacked
>> >>with machine guns and ground to air missiles. Great plan George.
>> >>
>> >>[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17224668/[/url]
>> >>
>> >
>> > You dims must be soooooooooooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > More American heroes have been killed.
>> >
>> > It must suck to be a liberal...
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > Scott in Florida
>> >[/color]
>> I cannot respond to your outrageous and cowardly slur upon people who
>> only
>> want our troops to be safe and alive.
>> If I responded, I would call you names that your worst enemy has never
>> thought of, and would burn the ears of the ladies on the ng.
>> Therefore,
>> let me just state that I find you to be lower than whale$hit, which is on
>> the ocean floor.[/color]
>
> Let's forget about the magazine, newspaper and web articles ect for a
> moment. What do YOU think will happen when we pull out of Iraq before
> it's stabilized?
> --
>[/color]

Bush created a major problem for the US and the world. A surge won't fix
it. Maybe 200k more troops might help. I haven't heard Bush suggest a
draft yet which would be required for such a troop increase. Tax increases
would also be required. Unfortunately Bush is gutless. If he had learned
anything from Vietnam, he would know that you either seriously fight to win
or you get out. Since he won't do the former, we should do the latter.

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:9HHCh.4407$tD2.2140@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
>
> "dbu," <nspam@nojoke.com> wrote in message
> news:nspam-AA655C.03545820022007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=green]
>> In article <12tl55bqsmvi75f@corp.supernews.com>,
>> "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>> news:cmmkt29ebvtfi4p9a8l09ua12oag3agu6t@4ax.com...
>>> > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:47:36 GMT, "Art"
>>> > <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>In case people don't understand, Bush's new plan is for the troops to
>>> >>stay
>>> >>24 hours a day in the Iraqi communities where they will be sitting
>>> >>ducks.
>>> >>Previously they would return nightly to safe zones. Example today of
>>> >>the
>>> >>new problem presented..... US troops stationed at Iraqi police
>>> >>station
>>> >>were
>>> >>attacked by a suicide bomber. When more troops came to their aid, a
>>> >>car
>>> >>bomb went off. When helicopters came in for the injured, they were
>>> >>attacked
>>> >>with machine guns and ground to air missiles. Great plan George.
>>> >>
>>> >>[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17224668/[/url]
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > You dims must be soooooooooooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> >
>>> > More American heroes have been killed.
>>> >
>>> > It must suck to be a liberal...
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Scott in Florida
>>> >
>>> I cannot respond to your outrageous and cowardly slur upon people who
>>> only
>>> want our troops to be safe and alive.
>>> If I responded, I would call you names that your worst enemy has never
>>> thought of, and would burn the ears of the ladies on the ng. Therefore,
>>> let me just state that I find you to be lower than whale$hit, which is
>>> on
>>> the ocean floor.[/color]
>>
>> Let's forget about the magazine, newspaper and web articles ect for a
>> moment. What do YOU think will happen when we pull out of Iraq before
>> it's stabilized?
>> --
>>[/color]
>
> Bush created a major problem for the US and the world. A surge won't fix
> it. Maybe 200k more troops might help. I haven't heard Bush suggest a
> draft yet which would be required for such a troop increase. Tax
> increases would also be required. Unfortunately Bush is gutless. If he
> had learned anything from Vietnam, he would know that you either seriously
> fight to win or you get out. Since he won't do the former, we should do
> the latter.[/color]

Time for tactical use of small nukes.

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>[/color]

"sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_tJCh.116438$Y6.77271@edtnps89...[color=blue]
>
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:9HHCh.4407$tD2.2140@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>>
>> "dbu," <nspam@nojoke.com> wrote in message
>> news:nspam-AA655C.03545820022007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=darkred]
>>> In article <12tl55bqsmvi75f@corp.supernews.com>,
>>> "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:cmmkt29ebvtfi4p9a8l09ua12oag3agu6t@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:47:36 GMT, "Art"
>>>> > <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>In case people don't understand, Bush's new plan is for the troops to
>>>> >>stay
>>>> >>24 hours a day in the Iraqi communities where they will be sitting
>>>> >>ducks.
>>>> >>Previously they would return nightly to safe zones. Example today
>>>> >>of the
>>>> >>new problem presented..... US troops stationed at Iraqi police
>>>> >>station
>>>> >>were
>>>> >>attacked by a suicide bomber. When more troops came to their aid, a
>>>> >>car
>>>> >>bomb went off. When helicopters came in for the injured, they were
>>>> >>attacked
>>>> >>with machine guns and ground to air missiles. Great plan George.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17224668/[/url]
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > You dims must be soooooooooooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>> >
>>>> > More American heroes have been killed.
>>>> >
>>>> > It must suck to be a liberal...
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Scott in Florida
>>>> >
>>>> I cannot respond to your outrageous and cowardly slur upon people who
>>>> only
>>>> want our troops to be safe and alive.
>>>> If I responded, I would call you names that your worst enemy has never
>>>> thought of, and would burn the ears of the ladies on the ng. Therefore,
>>>> let me just state that I find you to be lower than whale$hit, which is
>>>> on
>>>> the ocean floor.
>>>
>>> Let's forget about the magazine, newspaper and web articles ect for a
>>> moment. What do YOU think will happen when we pull out of Iraq before
>>> it's stabilized?
>>> --
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Bush created a major problem for the US and the world. A surge won't fix
>> it. Maybe 200k more troops might help. I haven't heard Bush suggest a
>> draft yet which would be required for such a troop increase. Tax
>> increases would also be required. Unfortunately Bush is gutless. If he
>> had learned anything from Vietnam, he would know that you either
>> seriously fight to win or you get out. Since he won't do the former, we
>> should do the latter.[/color]
>
> Time for tactical use of small nukes.[/color]


What's your opinion of Israel?

In article <9HHCh.4407$tD2.2140@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> "dbu," <nspam@nojoke.com> wrote in message
> news:nspam-AA655C.03545820022007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=green]
> > In article <12tl55bqsmvi75f@corp.supernews.com>,
> > "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
> >> news:cmmkt29ebvtfi4p9a8l09ua12oag3agu6t@4ax.com...
> >> > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:47:36 GMT, "Art"
> >> > <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In case people don't understand, Bush's new plan is for the troops to
> >> >>stay
> >> >>24 hours a day in the Iraqi communities where they will be sitting
> >> >>ducks.
> >> >>Previously they would return nightly to safe zones. Example today of
> >> >>the
> >> >>new problem presented..... US troops stationed at Iraqi police station
> >> >>were
> >> >>attacked by a suicide bomber. When more troops came to their aid, a
> >> >>car
> >> >>bomb went off. When helicopters came in for the injured, they were
> >> >>attacked
> >> >>with machine guns and ground to air missiles. Great plan George.
> >> >>
> >> >>[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17224668/[/url]
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You dims must be soooooooooooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > More American heroes have been killed.
> >> >
> >> > It must suck to be a liberal...
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Scott in Florida
> >> >
> >> I cannot respond to your outrageous and cowardly slur upon people who
> >> only
> >> want our troops to be safe and alive.
> >> If I responded, I would call you names that your worst enemy has never
> >> thought of, and would burn the ears of the ladies on the ng.
> >> Therefore,
> >> let me just state that I find you to be lower than whale$hit, which is on
> >> the ocean floor.[/color]
> >
> > Let's forget about the magazine, newspaper and web articles ect for a
> > moment. What do YOU think will happen when we pull out of Iraq before
> > it's stabilized?
> > --
> >[/color]
>
> Bush created a major problem for the US and the world. A surge won't fix
> it. Maybe 200k more troops might help. I haven't heard Bush suggest a
> draft yet which would be required for such a troop increase. Tax increases
> would also be required. Unfortunately Bush is gutless. If he had learned
> anything from Vietnam, he would know that you either seriously fight to win
> or you get out. Since he won't do the former, we should do the latter.[/color]

You guys have reading problems. I don't want a sermon about Iraq, I
want to know what YOU think will happen to Iraq if the troops leave
before the country is secure/stabilized?? simple?
--

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>
> TTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSS NOT wat I asked
> YOU!!!
>
> I don't want a sermon about Iraq, I just want you to tell me what YOU
> think will happen if we pull out before the country is secure? If you
> can't answer THAT is OK, but SAY SO!! Simple.[/color]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
dbu, you must have one helluva reading comprehension problem. Thus, I'll
copy your question and the first part of my answer. Sorry you don't like
sermons, because you seem to be a master at delivering them, although they
don't make much sense. If you still don't understand,
just SAY SO. Simple.

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> > Let's forget about the magazine, newspaper and web articles ect for a
> > moment. What do YOU think will happen when we pull out of Iraq before
> > it's stabilized?[/color]
>
> Just precisely what will happen if we stay there another five, ten or
> fifteen years and our body count is in the tens of thousands, and we've
> bankrupted our treasury completely.[/color]

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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> Al Qaeda doesn't give a rat's ass what goes on in Iraq, which was also true
> before we invaded.[/color]

Then why did so many of their members enter Iraq after the war started?

dbu, wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <UBMCh.3308$ya1.659@news02.roc.ny>,
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote:[/color]
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> You don't feel that Iran will not move in, establish a puppet
> government?[/color]

Not if we do the smart thing* and start backing Muqtada al Sadr, who's
an Iraqi nationalist and hates Iran. But assuming that either a pro-
Iranian faction gains power or nobody does, Iran may feel that it can
muscle in, in which case traditional Arab hatred of Persians should
work against Iran, at least if we provide some covert aid, not only in
Iraq but also in Iran, which is only half of Iran is Persian and the
rest Arab and Kurd..

* Smart only compared to Bush 43 league practices, not Smart for a
high school kid who had read International Policy for Dummies
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> If that happens, will it result in war between Iran and Saudi Arabia?[/color]

I seriously doubt that the Saudis have the guts to fight, except for
their air force, and the royal family wants stability more than
anything else. At most the Saudis will finance Iraqi and al Quada
Sunnis. It's also possible that there will be a Shiite uprising in
eastern Saudi Arabia, where all the oil fields are located. Actually
that's part of Cheney's grand plan -- gain control of Iraq so that
we'll have a reliable Shiite ally, and then have them join with the
Saudi Arabian Shiites to drive the house of Saud out of power and into
the western desert. This has been mentioned elsewhere, possibly in
publications like Atlantic Monthly or Foreign Policy Review.

So what do you think will happen?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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> I left this out: India will finish off Pakistan, and we will support it
> because India is the next big market for American goods. Bigger than you can
> imagine at this point. .[/color]

Wouldn't India have to worry about reprecussions from the 10% of
Indians who are Muslim?
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> If Iran gets out of hand in the region, the Russians
> will nuke their country[/color]

Another local solution to a local problem. ;)

In article <12tns1q206ecd33@corp.supernews.com>,
"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote:
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> dbu, you must have one helluva reading comprehension problem. Thus, I'll
> copy your question and the first part of my answer. Sorry you don't like
> sermons, because you seem to be a master at delivering them, although they
> don't make much sense. If you still don't understand,
> just SAY SO. Simple.[/color]

I still do not see an answer from the smart mack, just another question.



So when are you going to drop the insults and answer the question.
Can't you put thoughts into words? Your thoughts? I don't want you to
repeat a magazine article or provide me a link. Your thoughts bud,
nothing else, no bullshit. You talk big so lets hear it big shot.
--

"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1172047787.177760.14490@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I left this out: India will finish off Pakistan, and we will support it
>> because India is the next big market for American goods. Bigger than you
>> can
>> imagine at this point. .[/color]
>
> Wouldn't India have to worry about reprecussions from the 10% of
> Indians who are Muslim?[/color]

Not if they're all dead, or in prisons nobody can find.


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>> If Iran gets out of hand in the region, the Russians
>> will nuke their country[/color]
>
> Another local solution to a local problem. ;)[/color]

The Russians have a history of miserable failures in the region, involving
Iran, Iraq, Egypt and (obviously) Afghanistan. I think their patience will
wear thin at some point.

"larry moe 'n curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1172042270.585939.303470@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Al Qaeda doesn't give a rat's ass what goes on in Iraq, which was also
>> true
>> before we invaded.[/color]
>
> Then why did so many of their members enter Iraq after the war started?
>[/color]

To take pot shots at us. Wouldn't you do the same thing?

"dbu," <nspam@nojoke.com> wrote in message
news:nspam-812447.04475421022007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=blue]
> In article <12tns1q206ecd33@corp.supernews.com>,
> "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> dbu, you must have one helluva reading comprehension problem. Thus, I'll
>> copy your question and the first part of my answer. Sorry you don't
>> like
>> sermons, because you seem to be a master at delivering them, although
>> they
>> don't make much sense. If you still don't understand,
>> just SAY SO. Simple.[/color]
>
> I still do not see an answer from the smart mack, just another question.[/color]

It was a statement, not a question.

Quote (again):
"Just precisely what will happen if we stay there another five, ten or
fifteen years and our body count is in the tens of thousands, and we've
bankrupted our treasury completely."

I'll attempt to translate (English to English!): He thinks no matter what -
whether we stay or leave, the end result will be the same re: the situation
in Iraq.

Cathy


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>
>
>
> So when are you going to drop the insults and answer the question.
> Can't you put thoughts into words? Your thoughts? I don't want you to
> repeat a magazine article or provide me a link. Your thoughts bud,
> nothing else, no bullshit. You talk big so lets hear it big shot.
> --
>[/color]

"dbu," <nspam@nojoke.com> wrote in message
news:nspam-812447.04475421022007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=blue]
> In article <12tns1q206ecd33@corp.supernews.com>,
> "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> dbu, you must have one helluva reading comprehension problem. Thus, I'll
>> copy your question and the first part of my answer. Sorry you don't
>> like
>> sermons, because you seem to be a master at delivering them, although
>> they
>> don't make much sense. If you still don't understand,
>> just SAY SO. Simple.[/color]
>
> I still do not see an answer from the smart mack, just another question.
>
>
>
> So when are you going to drop the insults and answer the question.
> Can't you put thoughts into words? Your thoughts? I don't want you to
> repeat a magazine article or provide me a link. Your thoughts bud,
> nothing else, no bullshit. You talk big so lets hear it big shot.
> --
>[/color]
dbu, since I've answered you twice already, and Cathy has kindly explained
my answer to you, I have to wonder whether you just are not fluent in
English, or whoever reads the posts to you is slurring his words.