Re: Celica DRL and Auto Headlights

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:26:35 -0600, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>"GTS04" <nothing@nunya.net> wrote in message
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>> Hey everybody. I just bought an 04 Celica GTS. I really, really hate
>> the DRL and auto headlights. I did a Google search online which shows
>> how to disable them for other Toyotas but couldnt find one
>> specifically for the Celica. Has anyone found such a website?. The
>> best ones are the ones with pictures on them and not just diagrams.
>> TIA
>>
>> Bobby Jr.[/color]
>
>If you have difficulty following diagrams and need pictures, then I
>recommend that you hire a competent technician to disable the DRL's for you
>and avoid creating other problems. The auto headlights are easy to get
>around - turn the headlight switch to the off position to turn the headlamps
>off and turn them to the on position to turn them on.[/color]

I'm a visual person and would prefer pictures. Anything wrong with
asking if anyone has them? I'm a decent mechanic once I know how to
do it. This is just the first car I've had that has DRLs so this is a
new technology for me. When it's mechanical, I'm not too concerned
but when it's electronic, I like being extra careful. You can't blame
me for that can you?

"GTS04" <nothing@nunya.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:26:35 -0600, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>>"GTS04" <nothing@nunya.net> wrote in message
>>news:e02lt2533nse84vlmgo2ls0s0s76idonrc@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Hey everybody. I just bought an 04 Celica GTS. I really, really hate
>>> the DRL and auto headlights. I did a Google search online which shows
>>> how to disable them for other Toyotas but couldnt find one
>>> specifically for the Celica. Has anyone found such a website?. The
>>> best ones are the ones with pictures on them and not just diagrams.
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Bobby Jr.[/color]
>>
>>If you have difficulty following diagrams and need pictures, then I
>>recommend that you hire a competent technician to disable the DRL's for
>>you
>>and avoid creating other problems. The auto headlights are easy to get
>>around - turn the headlight switch to the off position to turn the
>>headlamps
>>off and turn them to the on position to turn them on.[/color]
>
> I'm a visual person and would prefer pictures. Anything wrong with
> asking if anyone has them? I'm a decent mechanic once I know how to
> do it. This is just the first car I've had that has DRLs so this is a
> new technology for me. When it's mechanical, I'm not too concerned
> but when it's electronic, I like being extra careful. You can't blame
> me for that can you?[/color]

Nothing wrong with asking if anyone has pictures. Toyota technical
publications rarely, if ever, include pictures, especially for electrical
components and operations. An electrical wiring diagram provides much more
information than pictures can. A problem with using pictures for electrical
wiring is that wire colors and tracers do not show up well in pictures,
especially if the wires are in a bundle with other wires, and pictures do
not show the wire functions. For example, a brown wire with a green tracer
would be difficult to differentiate from a black wire with a blue tracer,
and there is no way to tell whether the wire is hot all the time, hot under
certain conditions, or grounded. You may get lucky and find someone who has
taken their own pictures and posted them on a web site, but I don't think
the pictures will be very helpful.

I agree that you should be extra careful when dealing with electrical
systems. Many do-it-yourselfers and incompetent aftermarket shops cause
lots of electrical problems. IMO, the problems arise because people are
working without a clear understanding of electrical principles and how the
system they are working on operates, and pictures do not provide enough of
an explanation or understanding to make a difference.

If you have an interest in learning more about how automotive systems
operate, like what open and closed loop mean, or the principles behind the
electrical systems like how relays and sensors operate, you may wish to take
evening classes at your local high school or community college. Even if you
understand the mechanical aspects of a car, so many systems are controlled
or monitored by electronics that a basic understanding of electronics is
needed to diagnose and service cars.

I won't get into the pros and cons of DRL's here - a little searching will
turn up thousands of posts from people who are knowledgeable and not so
knowledgeable about the subject. ;-)

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

"GTS04" <nothing@nunya.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:53:43 -0600, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>>"GTS04" <nothing@nunya.net> wrote in message
>>news:in5mt2tn2fdhv799k7tk2g0d5ij05hv110@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:26:35 -0600, "Ray O"
>>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"GTS04" <nothing@nunya.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:e02lt2533nse84vlmgo2ls0s0s76idonrc@4ax.com...
>>>>> Hey everybody. I just bought an 04 Celica GTS. I really, really hate
>>>>> the DRL and auto headlights. I did a Google search online which shows
>>>>> how to disable them for other Toyotas but couldnt find one
>>>>> specifically for the Celica. Has anyone found such a website?. The
>>>>> best ones are the ones with pictures on them and not just diagrams.
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Bobby Jr.
>>>>
>>>>If you have difficulty following diagrams and need pictures, then I
>>>>recommend that you hire a competent technician to disable the DRL's for
>>>>you
>>>>and avoid creating other problems. The auto headlights are easy to get
>>>>around - turn the headlight switch to the off position to turn the
>>>>headlamps
>>>>off and turn them to the on position to turn them on.
>>>
>>> I'm a visual person and would prefer pictures. Anything wrong with
>>> asking if anyone has them? I'm a decent mechanic once I know how to
>>> do it. This is just the first car I've had that has DRLs so this is a
>>> new technology for me. When it's mechanical, I'm not too concerned
>>> but when it's electronic, I like being extra careful. You can't blame
>>> me for that can you?[/color]
>>
>>Nothing wrong with asking if anyone has pictures. Toyota technical
>>publications rarely, if ever, include pictures, especially for electrical
>>components and operations. An electrical wiring diagram provides much
>>more
>>information than pictures can. A problem with using pictures for
>>electrical
>>wiring is that wire colors and tracers do not show up well in pictures,
>>especially if the wires are in a bundle with other wires, and pictures do
>>not show the wire functions. For example, a brown wire with a green
>>tracer
>>would be difficult to differentiate from a black wire with a blue tracer,
>>and there is no way to tell whether the wire is hot all the time, hot
>>under
>>certain conditions, or grounded. You may get lucky and find someone who
>>has
>>taken their own pictures and posted them on a web site, but I don't think
>>the pictures will be very helpful.
>>
>>I agree that you should be extra careful when dealing with electrical
>>systems. Many do-it-yourselfers and incompetent aftermarket shops cause
>>lots of electrical problems. IMO, the problems arise because people are
>>working without a clear understanding of electrical principles and how the
>>system they are working on operates, and pictures do not provide enough of
>>an explanation or understanding to make a difference.
>>
>>If you have an interest in learning more about how automotive systems
>>operate, like what open and closed loop mean, or the principles behind the
>>electrical systems like how relays and sensors operate, you may wish to
>>take
>>evening classes at your local high school or community college. Even if
>>you
>>understand the mechanical aspects of a car, so many systems are controlled
>>or monitored by electronics that a basic understanding of electronics is
>>needed to diagnose and service cars.
>>
>>I won't get into the pros and cons of DRL's here - a little searching will
>>turn up thousands of posts from people who are knowledgeable and not so
>>knowledgeable about the subject. ;-)[/color]
>
>
> Thanks. I do know the pros and cons of DRL. I think anyone for or
> against it will agree that as I long as I use the light switch
> correctly, DRLs won't do me any more good.[/color]

Long before DRL's came along, I started turning my head and taillights
on....DAY and night. Whenever the car was in motion.

"Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:trTCh.97105$Fd.12132@edtnps90...[color=green]
>> Long before DRL's came along, I started turning my head and taillights
>> on....DAY and night. Whenever the car was in motion.[/color]
>
> Good for you :) Shame all the research supporting DRLs is from arctic
> circle coutries (with 24hour lowlight/darkness for 6 months a year) or
> based on fleet data (which in itself isnt exactly a fair test when
> comparing to personal transport) compared to past fleet data from years
> back. No-one yet has carried out a parallel study of sensible length, with
> identical vehicles in the same area over a statistically significant
> number of vehicles - they're just piecing their data together from
> existing records, or in significantly different situations. Theres a
> reason there is complete dissagreement between countries official policies
> on this, its because some are willing to take advice on its face and
> others look at it sensibly.
>
> When that happens and proves it I'll convert, until then I'll use my
> common sense as to when lights need to be put on. Apart from anything I
> also ride a pedal cycle regularly on a long commute. I wonder how long it
> will take to realise that as soon as people get used to all moving
> vehicles having lights on even during the day, how long before pedal bikes
> which cant carry 100w of lights around and pedestrians end up being hit.
> If we all just used our eyes a little more the increase in safety across
> the board would outweigh the effect of almost every technological safety
> device.[/color]

Well, of course, commonsense is recommended. However, common sense is VERY
uncommon. On the highway, I can see an approaching vehicle having DRL's or
headlights on, a LOT further away. On a single lane (each direction) road
that makes passing a whole lot safer...easier to judge distance.



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"sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, of course, commonsense is recommended. However, common sense is
> VERY uncommon. On the highway, I can see an approaching vehicle having
> DRL's or headlights on, a LOT further away. On a single lane (each
> direction) road that makes passing a whole lot safer...easier to judge
> distance.[/color]

As long as the DRLs are not high beam ones. If they are high beams one
cannot even look at them to judge anything at all.
Tomes