Re: EPA Mileage Question

On Feb 22, 1:59 pm, Bill Tuthill <ccree...@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> I keep hearing that EPA mileage testing changed for 2008 models,
> so city/highway MPG numbers will be lower.
>
> Will the CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) standards be lowered
> to compensate for new EPA test methods, or does this really amount to
> a stealth increase in fuel economy for the USA?[/color]

The EPA has set city and highway laboratory tests.

The average of these are used for the CAFE standards.

For the Moroney labels (the window stickers and published numbers from
the manufacturers and fueleconomy.gov), the city and highway test
results are then discounted by some multiplier derived in the early
1980s to more accurately reflect American's driving at that time.

According to:
[url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ratings2008.shtml[/url]
For the new labels as of the 2008 model year, the EPA is still doing
the old city/highway tests and reporting those, but is also doing
additional tests (to represent faster speeds and acceleration, air
conditioner use, and colder outside temperatures) and will also be
reporting those too.

So, it looks like the city/highway test cycles remain the same, so
CAFE is still based off of those old tests (without any adjustment),
while the published fuel economy numbers will be changing (moving
downward for all vehicles) thanks to adding in 3 new tests.

More info:
[url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml[/url]
"How Vehicles are Tested"
[url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml[/url]
"Fuel Economy Tests"
[url]http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420f06062.htm[/url]
"EPA's Fuel Economy Programs"
[url]http://www.epa.gov/otaq/fedata.htm[/url]
"Fuel Economy Guide Data Files"
by the US EPA

[url]http://www.ewg.org/reports/realMPG/part1.php[/url]
"Real MPG: Putting the Truth in Your Tank" by the Environmental
Working Group

[url]http://www.bluewaternetwork.org/reports/rep_ca_global_fuelfalsehood2.pdf[/url]
"FUEL ECONOMY FALSEHOODS: How government misrepresentation of fuel
economy hinders efforts to reduce global warming and US dependence on
foreign oil" by the Bluewater Network, 2002

Forget about cars and truck. According to the latest reports, if we REALLY
want to reduce the so called greenhouse gasses, we need to tell PATA to go
the hell and eat more BEEF. Either that or put catalytic converters on
cows asses LOL


mike


<mrv@kluge.net> wrote in message
news:1172188697.324179.174870@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> On Feb 22, 1:59 pm, Bill Tuthill <ccree...@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> I keep hearing that EPA mileage testing changed for 2008 models,
>> so city/highway MPG numbers will be lower.
>>
>> Will the CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) standards be lowered
>> to compensate for new EPA test methods, or does this really amount to
>> a stealth increase in fuel economy for the USA?[/color]
>
> The EPA has set city and highway laboratory tests.
>
> The average of these are used for the CAFE standards.
>
> For the Moroney labels (the window stickers and published numbers from
> the manufacturers and fueleconomy.gov), the city and highway test
> results are then discounted by some multiplier derived in the early
> 1980s to more accurately reflect American's driving at that time.
>
> According to:
> [url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ratings2008.shtml[/url]
> For the new labels as of the 2008 model year, the EPA is still doing
> the old city/highway tests and reporting those, but is also doing
> additional tests (to represent faster speeds and acceleration, air
> conditioner use, and colder outside temperatures) and will also be
> reporting those too.
>
> So, it looks like the city/highway test cycles remain the same, so
> CAFE is still based off of those old tests (without any adjustment),
> while the published fuel economy numbers will be changing (moving
> downward for all vehicles) thanks to adding in 3 new tests.
>
> More info:
> [url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml[/url]
> "How Vehicles are Tested"
> [url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml[/url]
> "Fuel Economy Tests"
> [url]http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420f06062.htm[/url]
> "EPA's Fuel Economy Programs"
> [url]http://www.epa.gov/otaq/fedata.htm[/url]
> "Fuel Economy Guide Data Files"
> by the US EPA
>
> [url]http://www.ewg.org/reports/realMPG/part1.php[/url]
> "Real MPG: Putting the Truth in Your Tank" by the Environmental
> Working Group
>
> [url]http://www.bluewaternetwork.org/reports/rep_ca_global_fuelfalsehood2.pdf[/url]
> "FUEL ECONOMY FALSEHOODS: How government misrepresentation of fuel
> economy hinders efforts to reduce global warming and US dependence on
> foreign oil" by the Bluewater Network, 2002
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:RsmdnX059MNts0LYnZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Forget about cars and truck. According to the latest reports, if we
> REALLY want to reduce the so called greenhouse gasses, we need to tell
> PATA to go the hell and eat more BEEF. Either that or put catalytic
> converters on cows asses LOL[/color]

Actually, what we need to do is eat less beef and drink less milk (except
for babies who should get their milk from a different source, namely,
mommy).

If we eat less beef and milk, farmers will stop growing these animals.

You have obviously never been near my nephew. I swear you need a catalytic
convertor for his butt, too.

Jeff

Jeff
[color=blue]
> mike
>
>
> <mrv@kluge.net> wrote in message
> news:1172188697.324179.174870@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> On Feb 22, 1:59 pm, Bill Tuthill <ccree...@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I keep hearing that EPA mileage testing changed for 2008 models,
>>> so city/highway MPG numbers will be lower.
>>>
>>> Will the CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) standards be lowered
>>> to compensate for new EPA test methods, or does this really amount to
>>> a stealth increase in fuel economy for the USA?[/color]
>>
>> The EPA has set city and highway laboratory tests.
>>
>> The average of these are used for the CAFE standards.
>>
>> For the Moroney labels (the window stickers and published numbers from
>> the manufacturers and fueleconomy.gov), the city and highway test
>> results are then discounted by some multiplier derived in the early
>> 1980s to more accurately reflect American's driving at that time.
>>
>> According to:
>> [url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ratings2008.shtml[/url]
>> For the new labels as of the 2008 model year, the EPA is still doing
>> the old city/highway tests and reporting those, but is also doing
>> additional tests (to represent faster speeds and acceleration, air
>> conditioner use, and colder outside temperatures) and will also be
>> reporting those too.
>>
>> So, it looks like the city/highway test cycles remain the same, so
>> CAFE is still based off of those old tests (without any adjustment),
>> while the published fuel economy numbers will be changing (moving
>> downward for all vehicles) thanks to adding in 3 new tests.
>>
>> More info:
>> [url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml[/url]
>> "How Vehicles are Tested"
>> [url]http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml[/url]
>> "Fuel Economy Tests"
>> [url]http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/420f06062.htm[/url]
>> "EPA's Fuel Economy Programs"
>> [url]http://www.epa.gov/otaq/fedata.htm[/url]
>> "Fuel Economy Guide Data Files"
>> by the US EPA
>>
>> [url]http://www.ewg.org/reports/realMPG/part1.php[/url]
>> "Real MPG: Putting the Truth in Your Tank" by the Environmental
>> Working Group
>>
>> [url]http://www.bluewaternetwork.org/reports/rep_ca_global_fuelfalsehood2.pdf[/url]
>> "FUEL ECONOMY FALSEHOODS: How government misrepresentation of fuel
>> economy hinders efforts to reduce global warming and US dependence on
>> foreign oil" by the Bluewater Network, 2002
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]