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Old 03-10-2007, 06:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A guy that knows what he's talking about:


Czech Pres: Environmentalism is a religion
WASHINGTON, March 9 (UPI) -- Environmentalism is a religion that is
based more on political ambitions than science, the president of the
Czech Republic warned Friday.
Speaking at the Cato Institute, a public policy think-tank, President
Vaclav Klaus said that environmentalists who clamor for policy change to
combat global warming "only pretend" to be promoting environmental
protection, and are actually being driven by a political agenda.
"Environmentalism should belong in the social sciences," much like the
idea of communism or other "-isms" such as feminism, Klaus said, adding
that "environmentalism is a religion" that seeks to reorganize the world
order as well as social behavior and value systems worldwide.
As for government spending on global warming studies, the former finance
minister and of the Eastern European nation and trained economist said
that such efforts were a "waste of money," adding that there was already
sufficient scientific evidence for those seeking policy change to back
up their proposals.
Meanwhile, he pointed out that those seeking to protect the environment
could do a great deal under the existing political framework and with
existing technologies, such as importing less goods from far-flung
regions that require enormous jet fuel use.



[url]http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/czech_pres_environmentalism_[/url]
is_a_religion/20070309-060020-3030r/
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Old 03-10-2007, 06:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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"dbu" <question-mark@einp.com> wrote in message
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>A guy that knows what he's talking about:[/color]

Not really.
The riff is actually a cult. Calling it a religion is meant to insult. It's
the same as referring to a civil union as a marriage.

If you're gay you'll disagree with me.


 
Old 03-10-2007, 07:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
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In article <2OidnU_RzJAFCG_YnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"mark_digital©" <XXX-976@comcastnot.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "dbu" <question-mark@einp.com> wrote in message
> news:question-mark-7C717E.05062710032007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...[color=green]
> >A guy that knows what he's talking about:[/color]
>
> Not really.
> The riff is actually a cult. Calling it a religion is meant to insult. It's
> the same as referring to a civil union as a marriage.
>
> If you're gay you'll disagree with me.[/color]


Religion:
€ a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance :
consumerism is the new religion.

I'm sure we can keep this thread going for at least a month.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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"dbu" <question-mark@einp.com> wrote in message
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>A guy that knows what he's talking about:
>
>
> Czech Pres: Environmentalism is a religion
> WASHINGTON, March 9 (UPI) -- Environmentalism is a religion that is
> based more on political ambitions than science, the president of the
> Czech Republic warned Friday.
> Speaking at the Cato Institute, a public policy think-tank, President
> Vaclav Klaus said that environmentalists who clamor for policy change to
> combat global warming "only pretend" to be promoting environmental
> protection, and are actually being driven by a political agenda.
> "Environmentalism should belong in the social sciences," much like the
> idea of communism or other "-isms" such as feminism, Klaus said, adding
> that "environmentalism is a religion" that seeks to reorganize the world
> order as well as social behavior and value systems worldwide.
> As for government spending on global warming studies, the former finance
> minister and of the Eastern European nation and trained economist said
> that such efforts were a "waste of money," adding that there was already
> sufficient scientific evidence for those seeking policy change to back
> up their proposals.
> Meanwhile, he pointed out that those seeking to protect the environment
> could do a great deal under the existing political framework and with
> existing technologies, such as importing less goods from far-flung
> regions that require enormous jet fuel use.
>
>
>
> [url]http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/czech_pres_environmentalism_[/url]
> is_a_religion/20070309-060020-3030r/
> --
>[/color]

Of course. In reality it's the same old fake religion of man as god.

Charles of Schaumburg


 
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> In article <2OidnU_RzJAFCG_YnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "mark_digital©" <XXX-976@comcastnot.com> wrote:
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>> >A guy that knows what he's talking about:[/color]
>>
>> Not really.
>> The riff is actually a cult. Calling it a religion is meant to insult.
>> It's
>> the same as referring to a civil union as a marriage.
>>
>> If you're gay you'll disagree with me.[/color]
>
>
> Religion:
> ? a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance :
> consumerism is the new religion.
>
> I'm sure we can keep this thread going for at least a month.
> --
>[/color]
There's probably not enough in this group threatened by this jargon and
I've already said my peace. So, you will just have to play with yourself.


 
Old 03-10-2007, 11:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
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>>> "dbu" <question-mark@einp.com> wrote in message
>>> news:question-mark-7C717E.05062710032007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>> >A guy that knows what he's talking about:
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>> The riff is actually a cult. Calling it a religion is meant to insult.
>>> It's
>>> the same as referring to a civil union as a marriage.
>>>
>>> If you're gay you'll disagree with me.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Religion:
>> ? a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance :
>> consumerism is the new religion.
>>
>> I'm sure we can keep this thread going for at least a month.
>> --
>>[/color]
> There's probably not enough in this group threatened by this jargon and
> I've already said my peace. So, you will just have to play with yourself.
>[/color]
I'm sorry. I meant *buy yourself*.


 
Old 03-10-2007, 11:56 AM   #7 (permalink)
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"dbu" <question-mark@einp.com> wrote in message
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>A guy that knows what he's talking about:
>
>
> Czech Pres: Environmentalism is a religion
> WASHINGTON, March 9 (UPI) -- Environmentalism is a religion that is
> based more on political ambitions than science, the president of the
> Czech Republic warned Friday.
> Speaking at the Cato Institute, a public policy think-tank, President
> Vaclav Klaus said that environmentalists who clamor for policy change to
> combat global warming "only pretend" to be promoting environmental
> protection, and are actually being driven by a political agenda.
> "Environmentalism should belong in the social sciences," much like the
> idea of communism or other "-isms" such as feminism, Klaus said, adding
> that "environmentalism is a religion" that seeks to reorganize the world
> order as well as social behavior and value systems worldwide.
> As for government spending on global warming studies, the former finance
> minister and of the Eastern European nation and trained economist said
> that such efforts were a "waste of money," adding that there was already
> sufficient scientific evidence for those seeking policy change to back
> up their proposals.
> Meanwhile, he pointed out that those seeking to protect the environment
> could do a great deal under the existing political framework and with
> existing technologies, such as importing less goods from far-flung
> regions that require enormous jet fuel use.
>
>
>
> [url]http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/czech_pres_environmentalism_[/url]
> is_a_religion/20070309-060020-3030r/[/color]

Vaclav Klaus is free to form any opinion he likes and he is equally free to
be wrong, as he is in this case. I know many people whose interest in the
environment is a result of their religion, environmentalism does not replace
their religion.

For atheists, environmentalism is not a religion, it is enlightened
self-interest. Is capitalism a religion?



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Old 03-10-2007, 12:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
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>
> Vaclav Klaus is free to form any opinion he likes and he is equally free
> to be wrong, as he is in this case. I know many people whose interest in
> the environment is a result of their religion, environmentalism does not
> replace their religion.
>[/color]


One of several articles I've seen about religious beliefs mingled with
religion:
[url]http://www.bayjournal.com/article.cfm?article=1522[/url]

Another, which I can't find at the moment, mentioned an X-treme Christian
congregation in Kentucky, IIRC, claiming that the earth was not ours to
destroy.


 
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> >> In article <2OidnU_RzJAFCG_YnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comcast.com>,
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> >>
> >>> "dbu" <question-mark@einp.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:question-mark-7C717E.05062710032007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> >>> >A guy that knows what he's talking about:
> >>>
> >>> Not really.
> >>> The riff is actually a cult. Calling it a religion is meant to insult.
> >>> It's
> >>> the same as referring to a civil union as a marriage.
> >>>
> >>> If you're gay you'll disagree with me.
> >>
> >>
> >> Religion:
> >> ? a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance :
> >> consumerism is the new religion.
> >>
> >> I'm sure we can keep this thread going for at least a month.
> >> --
> >>[/color]
> > There's probably not enough in this group threatened by this jargon and
> > I've already said my peace. So, you will just have to play with yourself.
> >[/color]
> I'm sorry. I meant *buy yourself*.[/color]

No, I'll let DH and joespairbottom play with themselves, tee-hee.
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:21 PM   #10 (permalink)
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> No, I'll let DH and joespairbottom play with themselves, tee-hee.
> --
>[/color]


Nah. You posted the original message so you, golf thing and splatt could
tickle each other all weekend.


 
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> >> >>> news:question-mark-7C717E.05062710032007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> >> >>> >A guy that knows what he's talking about:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Not really.
> >> >>> The riff is actually a cult. Calling it a religion is meant to
> >> >>> insult.
> >> >>> It's
> >> >>> the same as referring to a civil union as a marriage.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If you're gay you'll disagree with me.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Religion:
> >> >> ? a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance :
> >> >> consumerism is the new religion.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm sure we can keep this thread going for at least a month.
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> > There's probably not enough in this group threatened by this jargon
> >> > and
> >> > I've already said my peace. So, you will just have to play with
> >> > yourself.
> >> >
> >> I'm sorry. I meant *buy yourself*.[/color]
> >
> > No, I'll let DH and joespairbottom play with themselves, tee-hee.
> > --
> >[/color]
>
> Whatever...
>
> What's on the menu for tonight in your household? In about an hour I'll be
> starting a 8 pound (Cook's brand) hickory smoked butt portion ham and
> serving it w/ whipped potato & baby peas. Tomorrow I'll start a regular
> white bread for ham or ham and pickle sandwiches. I grind my own h&p.
> Hmmmmmm.[/color]

I'm not sure as I am not the cook tonight. I think it has something to
do with tuna and veggies. I'll let you know when I get up the nerve to
ask her. We ran out of bacon today for the noon Saturday BLT's so it's
been quiet around here the past couple hours, LOL.

Do you feed an army over there? It sounds good. We try to eat light
stuff. Not that I don't like all of that good food, but at my age all I
have to do to gain a pound is smell it...I still jog everyday and a
couple pounds added on makes a difference.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
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"dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
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> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
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>>> Vaclav Klaus is free to form any opinion he likes and he is equally free
>>> to be wrong, as he is in this case. I know many people whose interest
>>> in the environment is a result of their religion, environmentalism does
>>> not replace their religion.[/color]
>>
>> One of several articles I've seen about religious beliefs mingled with
>> religion:
>> [url]http://www.bayjournal.com/article.cfm?article=1522[/url]
>>
>> Another, which I can't find at the moment, mentioned an X-treme Christian
>> congregation in Kentucky, IIRC, claiming that the earth was not ours to
>> destroy.[/color]
>
> Great article, thanks. How did you happen to notice it?[/color]


If I recall, my interest began with a story from Science Friday, the PBS
radio show produced by left wing tree hugging socialist communist ***s. It's
a great show.


 
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On Mar 10, 7:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in message
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> news:45f330e7$0$16365$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
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>
>
>
>[color=green]
> > "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:OxBIh.4558$B25.2795@news01.roc.ny...[color=darkred]
> >> "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in message
> >>news:45f2d6d3$0$16385$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> >>> Vaclav Klaus is free to form any opinion he likes and he is equally free
> >>> to be wrong, as he is in this case. I know many people whose interest
> >>> in the environment is a result of their religion, environmentalism does
> >>> not replace their religion.[/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> One of several articles I've seen about religious beliefs mingled with
> >> religion:
> >>[url]http://www.bayjournal.com/article.cfm?article=1522[/url][/color][/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Another, which I can't find at the moment, mentioned an X-treme Christian
> >> congregation in Kentucky, IIRC, claiming that the earth was not ours to
> >> destroy.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
> > Great article, thanks. How did you happen to notice it?[/color]
>
> If I recall, my interest began with a story from Science Friday, the PBS
> radio show produced by left wing tree hugging socialist communist ***s. It's
> a great show.[/color]

The big-time & so-far mysterious disappearance of honeybees from their
hives (a la the recent NYTImes article - which I did find on-line), &
their far-reaching impact was covered on "Science Friday" yesterday -
heard part of it on my way home from work.

Cathy



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>> "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in message
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>> >news:OxBIh.4558$B25.2795@news01.roc.ny...
>> >> "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:45f2d6d3$0$16385$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> >>> Vaclav Klaus is free to form any opinion he likes and he is equally
>> >>> free
>> >>> to be wrong, as he is in this case. I know many people whose
>> >>> interest
>> >>> in the environment is a result of their religion, environmentalism
>> >>> does
>> >>> not replace their religion.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> One of several articles I've seen about religious beliefs mingled with
>> >> religion:
>> >>[url]http://www.bayjournal.com/article.cfm?article=1522[/url][/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> >> Another, which I can't find at the moment, mentioned an X-treme
>> >> Christian
>> >> congregation in Kentucky, IIRC, claiming that the earth was not ours
>> >> to
>> >> destroy.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Great article, thanks. How did you happen to notice it?[/color]
>>
>> If I recall, my interest began with a story from Science Friday, the PBS
>> radio show produced by left wing tree hugging socialist communist ***s.
>> It's
>> a great show.[/color]
>
> The big-time & so-far mysterious disappearance of honeybees from their
> hives (a la the recent NYTImes article - which I did find on-line), &
> their far-reaching impact was covered on "Science Friday" yesterday -
> heard part of it on my way home from work.
>
> Cathy[/color]

Ah-hah. [url]http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2007/Mar/hour2_030907.html[/url]

Including links to books and articles discussed. Sometimes, people do
useful things with the Internet. This looks like one of those rare cases..

Hey! They do podcasts! I love podcasts! The best present I was given in
this century is my iPod. Heck, it's the best present I was given in this
millenium!

Thanks, Cathy and Joe, for bringing it to my attention.



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> [email]clfr@adelphia.net[/email] wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mar 10, 7:50 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in message
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>> > >> "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in message
>> > >>news:45f2d6d3$0$16385$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> > >>> Vaclav Klaus is free to form any opinion he likes and he is equally
>> > >>> free
>> > >>> to be wrong, as he is in this case. I know many people whose
>> > >>> interest
>> > >>> in the environment is a result of their religion, environmentalism
>> > >>> does
>> > >>> not replace their religion.
>> >
>> > >> One of several articles I've seen about religious beliefs mingled
>> > >> with
>> > >> religion:
>> > >>[url]http://www.bayjournal.com/article.cfm?article=1522[/url]
>> >
>> > >> Another, which I can't find at the moment, mentioned an X-treme
>> > >> Christian
>> > >> congregation in Kentucky, IIRC, claiming that the earth was not ours
>> > >> to
>> > >> destroy.
>> >
>> > > Great article, thanks. How did you happen to notice it?
>> >
>> > If I recall, my interest began with a story from Science Friday, the
>> > PBS
>> > radio show produced by left wing tree hugging socialist communist ***s.
>> > It's
>> > a great show.[/color]
>>
>> The big-time & so-far mysterious disappearance of honeybees from their
>> hives (a la the recent NYTImes article - which I did find on-line), &
>> their far-reaching impact was covered on "Science Friday" yesterday -
>> heard part of it on my way home from work.
>>
>> Cathy[/color]
>
> I'm going to shoot hummingbirds this summer, (with a camera). While I'm
> at it I'll try to count yellowjackets too. If I'm not mistaken they
> kill honeybees. So if there is a large population of yellowjacket
> wasps, then wouldn't it bee possible for them to bee killing honeybees?
> --[/color]

My first though was, "ya gott be quick, 'cause those suckers move." When I
was a kid, we used to shoot .22 at camp and when a butterfy passed through
the range, everybody would try for it. Never saw one go down. You'd think
the bullet's wake would be enough to take one out. It was strictly
forbidden and if a counselor thought you'd been shooting at the butterfly,
you'd be out of the range.

Well, we were young and cruel.

Are you using digital or film?

If you go to the Science Friday site (google NPR Science Friday and you will
find it easily, if you're not familiar with it already), the story is
archived and there's a link to an International Herald Tribune article that
was pretty informative. I imagine people are looking at the predator
situation, too.



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