Born suckers

As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
faith and trading unfairly.

This is from a newspaper article (
[url]http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038[/url]
)

Here is the take away from this article...

"Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
sold in their markets.

He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.

"One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."

It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
access to their markets.

Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?

IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.

Really simple....


"tizak" <tizak_4@yahoo. com> wrote in message
news:1173623329.893117.107170@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
> faith and trading unfairly.
>
> This is from a newspaper article (
> [url]http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038[/url]
> )
>
> Here is the take away from this article...
>
> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
> sold in their markets.
>
> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>
> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
> audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
> way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>
> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
> access to their markets.
>
> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>[/color]

If the "American" companies offered what I wanted, without raping me in the
wallet, I would have bought one of those. As it was, the *ONLY* truck that
had what I needed was my Tundra..... and it was made in the USA.

"Don" <DonAdams@GetSmart.com> wrote in message
news:S1WIh.25171$S%2.8517@newsfe06.phx...[color=blue]
> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
> foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>
> Really simple....
>
>
> "tizak" <tizak_4@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:1173623329.893117.107170@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>
>> This is from a newspaper article (
>> [url]http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038[/url]
>> )
>>
>> Here is the take away from this article...
>>
>> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
>> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
>> sold in their markets.
>>
>> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>>
>> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
>> audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
>> way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>>
>> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
>> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
>> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
>> access to their markets.
>>
>> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Noon-Air wrote:[color=blue]
> If the "American" companies offered what I wanted, without raping me in the
> wallet, I would have bought one of those. As it was, the *ONLY* truck that
> had what I needed was my Tundra..... and it was made in the USA.[/color]

that's the irony of the op's dumb-ass trolling. japanese companies
manufacture quality vehicles here, using locally sourced components.
domestics manufacture crap, in mexico and wherever, and use chinese
components. and they over-charge. and they cut corners on dangerous
stuff like red rear turn signals. then they whine about losing market
share! must be run by sociopaths.
[color=blue]
>
> "Don" <DonAdams@GetSmart.com> wrote in message
> news:S1WIh.25171$S%2.8517@newsfe06.phx...[color=green]
>> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
>> foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>
>> Really simple....
>>
>>
>> "tizak" <tizak_4@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>> news:1173623329.893117.107170@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>
>>> This is from a newspaper article (
>>> [url]http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038[/url]
>>> )
>>>
>>> Here is the take away from this article...
>>>
>>> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
>>> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
>>> sold in their markets.
>>>
>>> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>>>
>>> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
>>> audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
>>> way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>>>
>>> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
>>> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
>>> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
>>> access to their markets.
>>>
>>> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"tizak" <tizak_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173623329.893117.107170@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
> faith and trading unfairly.
>
> This is from a newspaper article (
> [url]http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038[/url][/color]


<snip>

It's real simple. Americans want a car that *works* predictably and reliably
for YEARS. Many, if given that choice, would buy AMERICAN vehicles if they
met the criteria.

Sadly, most of the Detroit 3's offerings don't, haven't, and may not ever.

It's hard to remain loyal to any company that costs you regular trips to the
repair shop and hundreds or thousands of dollars.

Some of us don't have that kind of scratch to throw around simply to be
patriotic (putting everything else aside)....

It's sad. But people will buy what works.

Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than buyers
that chose Toyotas LOL

mike




"Don" <DonAdams@GetSmart.com> wrote in message
news:S1WIh.25171$S%2.8517@newsfe06.phx...[color=blue]
> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market, the
> foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>
> Really simple....
>
>
> "tizak" <tizak_4@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:1173623329.893117.107170@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>[/color][/color]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:37:07 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
[color=blue]
> Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
> that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than
> buyers that chose Toyotas LOL
>
> mike[/color]

Tell you what, Mike. End of the year, go to a Toyota dealer and count the
leftovers.

Then go to a Ford, GM, or Chrysler dealer and do the same.

Shoot...in 2005 when I was working for a Toyota/Licoln-Mercury/Chrysler
dealer, we had PLENTY of 2004 Chryslers, a few 2004 Mercurys (we even had
a 2001 Grand Marquis!) a *bunch* of Lincoln LS's (which I thought was a
nice car...) and a handful of Jeeps.

Do I need to tell you how many Toyotas were left over?



[color=blue]
>
>
>
>
> "Don" <DonAdams@GetSmart.com> wrote in message
> news:S1WIh.25171$S%2.8517@newsfe06.phx...[color=green]
>> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market,
>> the foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>
>> Really simple....
>>
>>
>> "tizak" <tizak_4@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>> news:1173623329.893117.107170@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>
>>>[/color][/color][/color]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:15:49 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
[color=blue]
> If the "American" companies offered what I wanted, without raping me in
> the wallet, I would have bought one of those. As it was, the *ONLY* truck
> that had what I needed was my Tundra..... and it was made in the USA.[/color]

Pay careful attention to the next Tundra commercial you hear...

"...ASSEMBLED in America..."




[color=blue]
>
> "Don" <DonAdams@GetSmart.com> wrote in message
> news:S1WIh.25171$S%2.8517@newsfe06.phx...[color=green]
>> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market,
>> the foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>
>> Really simple....
>>
>>
>> "tizak" <tizak_4@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>> news:1173623329.893117.107170@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>
>>> This is from a newspaper article (
>>> [url]http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038[/url]
>>> )
>>>
>>> Here is the take away from this article...
>>>
>>> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
>>> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be sold
>>> in their markets.
>>>
>>> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>>>
>>> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax is
>>> audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are another
>>> way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>>>
>>> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
>>> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
>>> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by blocking
>>> access to their markets.
>>>
>>> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:31:34 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:
[color=blue]
> *snipping troll's extra NG cross-posts*
>
> "jim beam" <...[color=green]
>> Noon-Air wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> If the "American" companies offered what I wanted, without raping me in
>>> the wallet, I would have bought one of those. As it was, the *ONLY*
>>> truck that had what I needed was my Tundra..... and it was made in the
>>> USA.[/color]
>>
>> that's the irony of the op's dumb-ass trolling. japanese companies
>> manufacture quality vehicles here, using locally sourced components.
>> domestics manufacture crap, in mexico and wherever, and use chinese
>> components. and they over-charge. and they cut corners on dangerous
>> stuff like red rear turn signals. then they whine about losing market
>> share! must be run by sociopaths.
>>
>>[/color]
> Nope, by fat cats who don't care about anyone but themselves.
>
> Natalie[/color]


Nope, by fat cats who don't care about anyone but SHAREHOLDERS.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Don" <DonAdams@GetSmart.com> wrote in message
>>> news:S1WIh.25171$S%2.8517@newsfe06.phx...
>>>> IF American car companies made the best cars and trucks on the market,
>>>> the foreign car companies wouldn't be so popular in North America.
>>>>
>>>> Really simple....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "tizak" <tizak_4@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1173623329.893117.107170@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> As free traders are we being taken for suckers, with the US and
>>>>> Canadian government acquiescing with countries actively acting in bad
>>>>> faith and trading unfairly.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is from a newspaper article (
>>>>> [url]http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=9be471d3-8ddb-449c-95d4-50eb643037a5&k=21038[/url]
>>>>> )
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the take away from this article...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hargrove said four million vehicles were shipped into North America
>>>>> last year, many from countries that don't allow foreign cars to be
>>>>> sold in their markets.
>>>>>
>>>>> He took special aim at Japan for tariff and other barriers.
>>>>>
>>>>> "One story is that if you buy an import, right away your income tax
>>>>> is audited," Hargrove said, adding that inspection processes are
>>>>> another way foreign vehicles are kept out of Japan."
>>>>>
>>>>> It is bad enough that the US guarantees their security at great cost
>>>>> while they build and ship cars from their countries (Japan, Korea
>>>>> specifically) while undermining the North American economy by
>>>>> blocking access to their markets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where does fair trade become part of the purchasing decision?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>[/color][/color][/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:3aidnY6QKPEhGWnYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
> that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than
> buyers that chose Toyotas LOL
>
> mike[/color]

As I said in other posts, if the "Big 3" offered what I wanted, I would
have bought one of theirs instead of my Tundra.

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:EfSdnePdVowzG2nYnZ2dnUVZ_viunZ2d@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> You really fell for that salesman's pitch it seems. The fact is the
> Tundra is only assembled in the US of mostly foreign
> parts and it costs thousands of dollars more to drive home than any
> similarly equipped GM, Ford or Dodge truck. That is why Ford sells 35% of
> the trucks sold in the US, GM 32% and Toyota a measly 5% ;)
>
>
> mike
>
>
>
>[/color]


"costs thousands of dollars more to drive home than any similarly equipped
GM, Ford or Dodge truck."

The total cost to own anything is purchase price, maintenance costs and
residual value.
Very different than "cost to drive home"

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:3aidnY6QKPEhGWnYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Really? Apparently American buyers think GM and Ford products are better
> that Toyota, they buy millions more of their vehicles from them than
> buyers that chose Toyotas LOL
>
> mike
>
>
>
>[/color]

Using your line of reasoning, liberals have a better "product" than the
conservatives. "Proof" is that they were voted in as the majority.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:01:11 -0600, pws wrote:
[color=blue]
> This is GM's flagship sport scar[/color]


LOL! Was this a Freudian? It sure works!

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:12:04 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "pws" <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45f48a5c$0$28159$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...[color=green]
>> He said foreign car companies, not specifically Toyota. As it is, Toyota
>> is about to overtake GM on their own turf and Ford is spiraling down the
>> drain with record losses.
>>
>> I know a person who bought a new Corvette and kept it exactly one year.
>> It made numerous trips to the dealership for repairs, which were covered
>> under warranty, but kept the car in the shop for a full month out of the
>> 12 that he owned it. This is GM's flagship sport scar, and they can't
>> even get that right.
>>
>> Really, name just one car, (not truck), from the top 3 U.S. auto makers
>> that doesn't have a similar but much better foreign offering.[/color]
>
> I'll give you 2
> Mustang GT[/color]

Nissan 350Z
[color=blue]
> Ford GT[/color]

Acura NSX

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:39:57 -0600, pws wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hachiroku ãƒ?ãƒ?ãƒ*ク wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:01:11 -0600, pws wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>This is GM's flagship sport scar[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> LOL! Was this a Freudian? It sure works![/color]
>
>
> Haha, I think so, it wasn't consciously intended. That is pretty good, I
> must admit, my best typo so far.
>
> Pat[/color]


LOL! <BSEG>!