Re: OT Why isn't anyone griping about Chinese goods ?

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:33:08 +0000, Jeff wrote:
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>
> The profits when you buy a Toyota goes to Japan, not the US. Plus, the
> Michigan-3 have, on average, about 75% domestic parts in their vehicles.
> The Japanese are a bit below 50% domestic parts. Domestic means US +
> Canada thanks to trade laws.[/color]


Sorry, Jeff; look at the Content Sticker for a Camry: 75% Domestic
Content, 25% Japanese. The engines and the transmissions are usually
Japanese. The rest of the car is 'domestic'.

Beleive it or not, this even applies for Camrys with a "J" (Final
assembly point Aichi Japan) VIN.


And check the content sticker for a Matrix. A lot of the engines are made
in Canada or the US, giving an even higher Domestic content...

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:33:08 +0000, Jeff wrote:
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>>
>> The profits when you buy a Toyota goes to Japan, not the US. Plus,
>> the
>> Michigan-3 have, on average, about 75% domestic parts in their
>> vehicles.
>> The Japanese are a bit below 50% domestic parts. Domestic means US
>> +
>> Canada thanks to trade laws.[/color]
>
>
> Sorry, Jeff; look at the Content Sticker for a Camry: 75% Domestic
> Content, 25% Japanese. The engines and the transmissions are usually
> Japanese. The rest of the car is 'domestic'.
>
> Beleive it or not, this even applies for Camrys with a "J" (Final
> assembly point Aichi Japan) VIN.
>
>
> And check the content sticker for a Matrix. A lot of the engines are
> made
> in Canada or the US, giving an even higher Domestic content...[/color]

I think Jeff is talking about the average for all Toyota vehicles, not
just Camry's. The domestic content from some others is much lower
(Lexus, 4Runners, Prius, Yaris).

Ed

"Hachiroku ãƒ?ãƒ?ãƒ*ク" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:33:08 +0000, Jeff wrote:
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>>
>> The profits when you buy a Toyota goes to Japan, not the US. Plus, the
>> Michigan-3 have, on average, about 75% domestic parts in their vehicles.
>> The Japanese are a bit below 50% domestic parts. Domestic means US +
>> Canada thanks to trade laws.[/color]
>
>
> Sorry, Jeff; look at the Content Sticker for a Camry: 75% Domestic
> Content, 25% Japanese. The engines and the transmissions are usually
> Japanese. The rest of the car is 'domestic'.[/color]

It depends on the vehicle and where it is assembled. Actually, if you go to
Toyota's website and hunt around the About Toyota part, you will see that
Toyota makes enough engines in the US for about 1/2 vehicles they sell in
the US.
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> Beleive it or not, this even applies for Camrys with a "J" (Final
> assembly point Aichi Japan) VIN.
>
>
> And check the content sticker for a Matrix. A lot of the engines are made
> in Canada or the US, giving an even higher Domestic content...[/color]

I think the Matrix is essentially a station wagon version of the Corrolla.
Ward's Automotive reports sales of Matrices with Corrollae (I love Latin
plurals ;-) ). They're made in California at the NUMMI plant, I think.

Overall, various websites say that Toyota uses approx. 47 or 48% US or
US/Canadian parts vs close 75% for Michigan 3 cars.

Jeff

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno@AE86.gts> wrote in message
> news:AxzJh.8052$vb.5016@trndny04...[color=green]
>> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:33:08 +0000, Jeff wrote:
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>>>
>>> The profits when you buy a Toyota goes to Japan, not the US. Plus, the
>>> Michigan-3 have, on average, about 75% domestic parts in their vehicles.
>>> The Japanese are a bit below 50% domestic parts. Domestic means US +
>>> Canada thanks to trade laws.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Sorry, Jeff; look at the Content Sticker for a Camry: 75% Domestic
>> Content, 25% Japanese. The engines and the transmissions are usually
>> Japanese. The rest of the car is 'domestic'.
>>
>> Beleive it or not, this even applies for Camrys with a "J" (Final
>> assembly point Aichi Japan) VIN.
>>
>>
>> And check the content sticker for a Matrix. A lot of the engines are made
>> in Canada or the US, giving an even higher Domestic content...[/color]
>
> I think Jeff is talking about the average for all Toyota vehicles, not
> just Camry's. The domestic content from some others is much lower (Lexus,
> 4Runners, Prius, Yaris).
>
> Ed[/color]


Thanks for restating this in English for me. ;-)

"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>> Fact is, more and more models are assembled in the US and Canada
>> now.
>> There is only a handful of Japanese made cars coming here.[/color]
>
> About 40% come from Japan.
>
> [url]http://www.toyota.com/about/operations/numbers/factsfigures04/na_sales.html[/url]
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>> Of course, some of those are big sellers; the Highlander, the Prius
>> and
>> the RAV4. Also, the FJ, but there aren't a lot of those, yet.[/color][/color]

Yaris and all Scions have no domestic content.
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> The Prius is made in Indiana, too.[/color]

Are you sure? The domestic content label on the 2007 Prius I looked at
listed the domestic content for the Prius car line as "0%". If they
were being made in Indiana, surely the average would have been above
zero.

Ed

"Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> Oopsie. I believe that the Subaru plant in Indian will be used to
> make the Prius, but production hasn't started yet. Doing a pretty
> quick search showed only one or two references to Prii being built
> in the future in Indiana. They may have been wrong or the plans
> changed, too.[/color]

Well with the possible exception of Mike Hunter, we all make mistakes.
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> Here is where all the vehicles sold in the US were built, probably
> accurate a few months ago.
>
> If you go here:
> [url]http://www.toyota.com/html/help/index.html?s_van=GM_BTN_SEARCH[/url],
> click on Frequently Asked Questions, and type in assemebly, one of
> the first links should tell you where all the cars are being made
> (or more accurately, were being made a few weeks or months ago).[/color]

Thanks for the link. [url]http://tinyurl.com/2uwpuy[/url] will take you right to
the proper FAQ. That list is consistent with the Domestic Content
Labels I looked at. It would be interesting to know what percentage of
Camrys and Corollas actually come from Japan. If you knew that, I
would think you could get a better idea of the domestic content of US
built Camrys and Corollas. I'm guessing it must be over 85% in the
average Camry, including Japanese Camrys, have an 80% domestic
content.

I am surprised that the Domestic Content label for Tacomas showed such
a high domestic content. It would seem to me that having complete
Tacomas and Tacoma beds made in Mexico would have lowered the domestic
content below 65%. I guess the Tacomas sold in the US must all come
from California and Tacomas built in Baja must all be sold in Mexico.

Ed

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@removemindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff" <news@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:wWbKh.11202$Hb6.5775@trndny03...
>[color=green]
>> Oopsie. I believe that the Subaru plant in Indian will be used to make
>> the Prius, but production hasn't started yet. Doing a pretty quick search
>> showed only one or two references to Prii being built in the future in
>> Indiana. They may have been wrong or the plans changed, too.[/color]
>
> Well with the possible exception of Mike Hunter, we all make mistakes.
>[color=green]
>> Here is where all the vehicles sold in the US were built, probably
>> accurate a few months ago.
>>
>> If you go here:
>> [url]http://www.toyota.com/html/help/index.html?s_van=GM_BTN_SEARCH[/url], click on
>> Frequently Asked Questions, and type in assemebly, one of the first links
>> should tell you where all the cars are being made (or more accurately,
>> were being made a few weeks or months ago).[/color]
>
> Thanks for the link. [url]http://tinyurl.com/2uwpuy[/url] will take you right to the
> proper FAQ. That list is consistent with the Domestic Content Labels I
> looked at. It would be interesting to know what percentage of Camrys and
> Corollas actually come from Japan. If you knew that, I would think you
> could get a better idea of the domestic content of US built Camrys and
> Corollas. I'm guessing it must be over 85% in the average Camry, including
> Japanese Camrys, have an 80% domestic content.
>
> I am surprised that the Domestic Content label for Tacomas showed such a
> high domestic content. It would seem to me that having complete Tacomas
> and Tacoma beds made in Mexico would have lowered the domestic content
> below 65%. I guess the Tacomas sold in the US must all come from
> California and Tacomas built in Baja must all be sold in Mexico.[/color]

I would think that the beds would be about 10% of the truck's value. If I am
not mistaken, it is a metal box with a hinge, some lights and electrical
stuff and that's about it. Plus they are probably painted in the US. It's
bulky, but not very complicated.

I noticed the lack of the Tacomas built in Mexico in the list as well as no
mention of the Tundra plant. The webpage is obviously a few months behing
the times.
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> Ed[/color]

Some Japanese-build Toyotae have American parts (cats made in California are
exported to Japan).

According to published reports about 48% of the content of Toyotae sold in
the US comes from the US or Canada. About 46% of the Toyotae sold come from
Japan. The domestic content must be pretty high in the domestically-built
cars, probably about 80-85% (48%/54% = 88%, but some of the Japanese-built
cars have US content, so it is probably lower than this). The Toyota Sienna
is rated as one of the cars with the highest US content, approx. 85%.

Jeff