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Old 03-04-2005, 10:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: 2005 corolla oil changes


"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
news:eXNSd.4150$Ba3.3425@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Huw wrote:[color=green]
>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>> news:1euSd.3256$Ba3.738@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>> Huw wrote:
>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>> news:K4mSd.2711$Ba3.1800@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>> Huw wrote:
>>>>>> "Donald Mackenzie" <reaper_nz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:cvbp1u$pch$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having just done a conversion I see we have some vehicles here in
>>>>>>> New Zealand that are running similar service intervals for
>>>>>>> regular service (Mitsubishi L300 Turbo Diesel at 15000km)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would have thought that most direct injection diesels and petrol
>>>>>> engines these days would run to those sort of intervals if not
>>>>>> longer. The USA always lags significantly behind on length of
>>>>>> service intervals because so many just look forward to those 3000
>>>>>> mile oil changes as if their engines were sentient beings that
>>>>>> will *thank them for cheap insurance* rather than lumps of metal and
>>>>>> plastic that will perform just as well with 'appropriate' service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huw
>>>>>
>>>>> Huw: How come Americans and Canadians get sludged engines running
>>>>> your UK service intervals? Does it have something to do with the
>>>>> Gulf Stream, the sinking of the Bismark, bland foods?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I find it hard to believe that Americans outside Alaska would have
>>>> any trouble at European service intervals. It is just that Americans
>>>> appear obsessed with changing their oil as if they have nothing
>>>> better to do. If, however, they go to extremes, as some will, and
>>>> totally neglect maintenance, then that is when sludge will rear its
>>>> jellied butt. There may be exceptions of course and we all know one
>>>> engine model don't we. You have a Corolla so why not run to 10,000
>>>> mile intervals yourself?
>>>> I can almost guarantee a long and trouble free life. Go on. Live
>>>> life on the edge. You know you want to.
>>>>
>>>> Huw
>>>
>>> You can ALMOST guarantee? One is either pregnant or not![/color]
>>
>> I am not in the guaranteeing business.
>>
>>
>> I suspect you[color=darkred]
>>> would guarantee no sludge if I used Mobil1 0w-40. But how about some
>>> generic label conventional oil that sells for $.99 per quart but
>>> still has the API SL rating?[/color]
>>
>>
>> If it is certified as meeting API SL then it is a good oil and that
>> oil would be good for the 10,000 mile scheduled official service
>> interval in Europe. Personally, because I am a perfectionist, I would
>> tend to use a better oil if it were my car, but tens of thousands of
>> cars run perfectly on the minimum recommended oil at the scheduled
>> intervals. Remember that there is a one year limit that over-rides
>> the mileage limit for those that run a low annual mileage.
>>
>> Huw[/color]
>
> Where is it stated that SL oil .... the stuff that really just BARELY
> meets the SL rating[/color]

If it meets SL then it meets it. Period.


[color=blue]
>and carries no ACEA is suitable for 10k miles here in America?[/color]

I was unaware that Toyota recommended *any* oil for 10,000 miles in America.
This is because of consumer resistance and expedience.

Huw


[color=blue]
> We know cars sold in America with oil service intervals in excess of 7,500
> miles usually require specific synthetic lubricants and/or have oil life
> monitoring systems.
> --
>
> - Philip
>
>
>
>
>[/color]


 
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:40 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: 2005 corolla oil changes

Huw wrote:[color=blue]
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:eXNSd.4150$Ba3.3425@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> Huw wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>> news:1euSd.3256$Ba3.738@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>> Huw wrote:
>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>>> news:K4mSd.2711$Ba3.1800@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> Huw wrote:
>>>>>>> "Donald Mackenzie" <reaper_nz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:cvbp1u$pch$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having just done a conversion I see we have some vehicles here
>>>>>>>> in New Zealand that are running similar service intervals for
>>>>>>>> regular service (Mitsubishi L300 Turbo Diesel at 15000km)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would have thought that most direct injection diesels and
>>>>>>> petrol engines these days would run to those sort of intervals
>>>>>>> if not longer. The USA always lags significantly behind on
>>>>>>> length of service intervals because so many just look forward to
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> 3000 mile oil changes as if their engines were sentient beings
>>>>>>> that will *thank them for cheap insurance* rather than lumps of
>>>>>>> metal and plastic that will perform just as well with
>>>>>>> 'appropriate' service. Huw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huw: How come Americans and Canadians get sludged engines
>>>>>> running your UK service intervals? Does it have something to do
>>>>>> with the Gulf Stream, the sinking of the Bismark, bland foods?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it hard to believe that Americans outside Alaska would have
>>>>> any trouble at European service intervals. It is just that
>>>>> Americans appear obsessed with changing their oil as if they have
>>>>> nothing better to do. If, however, they go to extremes, as some will,
>>>>> and
>>>>> totally neglect maintenance, then that is when sludge will rear
>>>>> its jellied butt. There may be exceptions of course and we all
>>>>> know one engine model don't we. You have a Corolla so why not run
>>>>> to 10,000 mile intervals yourself?
>>>>> I can almost guarantee a long and trouble free life. Go on. Live
>>>>> life on the edge. You know you want to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huw
>>>>
>>>> You can ALMOST guarantee? One is either pregnant or not!
>>>
>>> I am not in the guaranteeing business.
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect you
>>>> would guarantee no sludge if I used Mobil1 0w-40. But how about
>>>> some generic label conventional oil that sells for $.99 per quart
>>>> but still has the API SL rating?
>>>
>>>
>>> If it is certified as meeting API SL then it is a good oil and that
>>> oil would be good for the 10,000 mile scheduled official service
>>> interval in Europe. Personally, because I am a perfectionist, I
>>> would tend to use a better oil if it were my car, but tens of
>>> thousands of cars run perfectly on the minimum recommended oil at the
>>> scheduled
>>> intervals. Remember that there is a one year limit that over-rides
>>> the mileage limit for those that run a low annual mileage.
>>>
>>> Huw[/color]
>>
>> Where is it stated that SL oil .... the stuff that really just BARELY
>> meets the SL rating[/color]
>
> If it meets SL then it meets it. Period.
>[color=green]
>> and carries no ACEA, is suitable for 10k miles here in America?[/color]
>
> I was unaware that Toyota recommended *any* oil for 10,000 miles in
> America. This is because of consumer resistance and expedience.
>
> Huw[/color]

Huw, I never mentioned Toyota specifically.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> We know cars sold in America with oil service intervals in excess of
>> 7,500 miles usually require specific synthetic lubricants and/or
>> have oil life monitoring systems.
>> --
>>
>> - Philip[/color][/color]

To reiterate ... There are cars sold in America that do have the "ok" by
their manufacturers to long longer than 7,500 miles.
--

- Philip



 
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