Re: OT 'There is a god!'

ToMh wrote:[color=blue]
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> Gord Beaman wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>> --cut--
>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those lunatics
>>>>>>> whose religion teaches them to either convert or kill that are
>>>>>>> the ones who I object to. There ain't no free lunch (nor free
>>>>>>> virgins for killing heathens either I think)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith then
>>>>> it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with 40
>>>>> nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of some
>>>>> faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your own
>>>> words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see how
>>>> disconnected you post appears to me.
>>>
>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .[/color]
>>
>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> snip<
>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>>>
>>> quote:
>>> Secularist
>>> n.
>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
>>> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
>>> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
>>> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
>>> element.
>>>
>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>>> should be excluded from government and education
>>> unquote
>>>
>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?[/color]
>>
>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
>>
>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted for
>> by logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers
>> proselytize, intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief
>> system on those who simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible
>> facts cannot account for all that is the Universe and that morality
>> is rooted in religion instead of politics.
>> --
>>
>> - Philip
>>
>>[/color]
> In other words, if you can't account for something through
> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts
> will be ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned. Sounds
> like a good plan.[/color]

Filling in the unknown and the unknowable with 'belief' is required in order
to proceed. You drive down the highway on faith. You do not know with
secular certainty that the pavement will support the weight of your car at
any given moment. Examples abound .... witness the sink holes under roadways
in southern California right now. Do you consider yourself a religious
person, ToMh?
--

- Philip

In article <38120cF5iteboU1@individual.net>,
"ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
> > Gord Beaman wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
> >> --cut--
> >>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those lunatics
> >>>>>> whose religion teaches them to either convert or kill that are
> >>>>>> the ones who I object to. There ain't no free lunch (nor free
> >>>>>> virgins for killing heathens either I think)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
> >>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
> >>>>
> >>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith then
> >>>> it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with 40
> >>>> nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of some
> >>>> faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
> >>>
> >>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your own
> >>> words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see how
> >>> disconnected you post appears to me.
> >>
> >> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
> >> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
> >> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .[/color]
> >
> > Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
> >[color=darkred]
> >>snip<
> >> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
> >>
> >> quote:
> >> Secularist
> >> n.
> >> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
> >> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
> >> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
> >> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
> >> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
> >> element.
> >>
> >> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
> >> should be excluded from government and education
> >> unquote
> >>
> >> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?[/color]
> >
> > Now that you know, we shall continue.
> >
> > Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted for by
> > logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers proselytize,
> > intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief system on those who
> > simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible facts cannot account for
> > all that is the Universe and that morality is rooted in religion instead
> > of politics.
> > --
> >
> > - Philip
> >
> >[/color]
> In other words, if you can't account for something through
> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts will be
> ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned. Sounds like
> a good plan.[/color]

Why not just give it up Tom old boy, you're beaten.....Move-on......org
--

"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
news:MuJSd.8685$x53.8481@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> ToMh wrote:[color=green]
>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>> Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>>> --cut--
>>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those lunatics
>>>>>>>> whose religion teaches them to either convert or kill that are
>>>>>>>> the ones who I object to. There ain't no free lunch (nor free
>>>>>>>> virgins for killing heathens either I think)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith then
>>>>>> it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with 40
>>>>>> nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of some
>>>>>> faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your own
>>>>> words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see how
>>>>> disconnected you post appears to me.
>>>>
>>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
>>>
>>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>>>
>>>> snip<
>>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>>>>
>>>> quote:
>>>> Secularist
>>>> n.
>>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
>>>> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
>>>> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
>>>> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
>>>> element.
>>>>
>>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>>>> should be excluded from government and education
>>>> unquote
>>>>
>>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
>>>
>>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
>>>
>>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted for
>>> by logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers
>>> proselytize, intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief
>>> system on those who simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible
>>> facts cannot account for all that is the Universe and that morality
>>> is rooted in religion instead of politics.
>>> --
>>>
>>> - Philip
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts
>> will be ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned. Sounds
>> like a good plan.[/color]
>
> Filling in the unknown and the unknowable with 'belief' is required in
> order to proceed. You drive down the highway on faith. You do not know
> with secular certainty that the pavement will support the weight of your
> car at any given moment. Examples abound .... witness the sink holes under
> roadways in southern California right now. Do you consider yourself a
> religious person, ToMh?
> --
>
> - Philip[/color]

No, you replace facts with belief, and filling in the unkown with beliefs
insead
of finding out the truth is no different than creating gods to explain why
the sun
moves across the sky. It makes no sense and only supports ignorance.
It's alright to have faith and personal beliefs, just keep them out of
politics
and science, to do so just perverts both.

<diel@spam.com> wrote in message
news:diel-603BEF.11061922022005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <38120cF5iteboU1@individual.net>,
> "ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>> > Gord Beaman wrote:
>> >> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>> >> --cut--
>> >>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those lunatics
>> >>>>>> whose religion teaches them to either convert or kill that are
>> >>>>>> the ones who I object to. There ain't no free lunch (nor free
>> >>>>>> virgins for killing heathens either I think)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>> >>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith then
>> >>>> it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with 40
>> >>>> nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of some
>> >>>> faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
>> >>>
>> >>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your own
>> >>> words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see how
>> >>> disconnected you post appears to me.
>> >>
>> >> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>> >> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>> >> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
>> >
>> > Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>> >
>> >>snip<
>> >> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>> >>
>> >> quote:
>> >> Secularist
>> >> n.
>> >> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>> >> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
>> >> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
>> >> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
>> >> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
>> >> element.
>> >>
>> >> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>> >> should be excluded from government and education
>> >> unquote
>> >>
>> >> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
>> >
>> > Now that you know, we shall continue.
>> >
>> > Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted for by
>> > logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers proselytize,
>> > intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief system on those who
>> > simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible facts cannot account for
>> > all that is the Universe and that morality is rooted in religion
>> > instead
>> > of politics.
>> > --
>> >
>> > - Philip
>> >
>> >[/color]
>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts will
>> be
>> ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned. Sounds like
>> a good plan.[/color]
>
> Why not just give it up Tom old boy, you're beaten.....Move-on......org
> --
>[/color]
Only in your small ignorant mind. Why don't you quite blindly replying to
post that your not smart enough to participate in. At least Phillip gives an
argument and I can respect that, you are just a dumbass.

In article <381a4fF5i3k9oU1@individual.net>,
"ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> <diel@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:diel-603BEF.11061922022005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
> > In article <38120cF5iteboU1@individual.net>,
> > "ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> >> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >> > Gord Beaman wrote:
> >> >> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
> >> >> --cut--
> >> >>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those lunatics
> >> >>>>>> whose religion teaches them to either convert or kill that are
> >> >>>>>> the ones who I object to. There ain't no free lunch (nor free
> >> >>>>>> virgins for killing heathens either I think)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
> >> >>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith then
> >> >>>> it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with 40
> >> >>>> nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of some
> >> >>>> faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your own
> >> >>> words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see how
> >> >>> disconnected you post appears to me.
> >> >>
> >> >> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
> >> >> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
> >> >> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
> >> >
> >> > Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
> >> >
> >> >>snip<
> >> >> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
> >> >>
> >> >> quote:
> >> >> Secularist
> >> >> n.
> >> >> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
> >> >> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
> >> >> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
> >> >> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
> >> >> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
> >> >> element.
> >> >>
> >> >> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
> >> >> should be excluded from government and education
> >> >> unquote
> >> >>
> >> >> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
> >> >
> >> > Now that you know, we shall continue.
> >> >
> >> > Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted for by
> >> > logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers proselytize,
> >> > intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief system on those who
> >> > simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible facts cannot account for
> >> > all that is the Universe and that morality is rooted in religion
> >> > instead
> >> > of politics.
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > - Philip
> >> >
> >> >
> >> In other words, if you can't account for something through
> >> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
> >> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
> >> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
> >> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts will
> >> be
> >> ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned. Sounds like
> >> a good plan.[/color]
> >
> > Why not just give it up Tom old boy, you're beaten.....Move-on......org
> > --
> >[/color]
> Only in your small ignorant mind. Why don't you quite blindly replying to
> post that your not smart enough to participate in. At least Phillip gives an
> argument and I can respect that, you are just a dumbass.[/color]

Face facts tom old boy you're WHIPPED and whipped good.
--

ToMh wrote:[color=blue]
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:MuJSd.8685$x53.8481@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> ToMh wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>> Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>>>> --cut--
>>>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those lunatics
>>>>>>>>> whose religion teaches them to either convert or kill that are
>>>>>>>>> the ones who I object to. There ain't no free lunch (nor free
>>>>>>>>> virgins for killing heathens either I think)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>>>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith
>>>>>>> then it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with 40
>>>>>>> nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of some
>>>>>>> faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your
>>>>>> own words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see
>>>>>> how disconnected you post appears to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>>>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>>>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
>>>>
>>>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>>>>
>>>>> snip<
>>>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>>>>>
>>>>> quote:
>>>>> Secularist
>>>>> n.
>>>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>>>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
>>>>> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
>>>>> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
>>>>> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
>>>>> element.
>>>>>
>>>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>>>>> should be excluded from government and education
>>>>> unquote
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
>>>>
>>>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted for
>>>> by logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers
>>>> proselytize, intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief
>>>> system on those who simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible
>>>> facts cannot account for all that is the Universe and that morality
>>>> is rooted in religion instead of politics.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> - Philip
>>>>
>>>>
>>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
>>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
>>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
>>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
>>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts
>>> will be ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned.
>>> Sounds like a good plan.[/color]
>>
>> Filling in the unknown and the unknowable with 'belief' is required
>> in order to proceed. You drive down the highway on faith. You do
>> not know with secular certainty that the pavement will support the
>> weight of your car at any given moment. Examples abound .... witness
>> the sink holes under roadways in southern California right now. Do
>> you consider yourself a religious person, ToMh?
>> --
>>
>> - Philip[/color]
>
> No, you replace facts with belief, and filling in the unkown with
> beliefs insead
> of finding out the truth is no different than creating gods to
> explain why the sun
> moves across the sky. It makes no sense and only supports ignorance.
> It's alright to have faith and personal beliefs, just keep them out of
> politics and science, to do so just perverts both.[/color]

ToMh ... indeed your thinking has been seduced by secular humanism. Look it
up. Learn about your seducer.

Beliefs are formed ... followed by discovery. One postulates first. A baby
goes about this process as does the adult. Study human behavior. As for
your naive conclusion, politics IS little more than beliefs and science is
riddled with postulations.
--

- Philip

"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
news:oKLSd.8767$x53.6547@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> ToMh wrote:[color=green]
>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>> news:MuJSd.8685$x53.8481@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>> Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>>>>> --cut--
>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those lunatics
>>>>>>>>>> whose religion teaches them to either convert or kill that are
>>>>>>>>>> the ones who I object to. There ain't no free lunch (nor free
>>>>>>>>>> virgins for killing heathens either I think)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>>>>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith
>>>>>>>> then it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with 40
>>>>>>>> nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of some
>>>>>>>> faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your
>>>>>>> own words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see
>>>>>>> how disconnected you post appears to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>>>>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>>>>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
>>>>>
>>>>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>>>>>
>>>>>> snip<
>>>>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> quote:
>>>>>> Secularist
>>>>>> n.
>>>>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>>>>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
>>>>>> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
>>>>>> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
>>>>>> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
>>>>>> element.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>>>>>> should be excluded from government and education
>>>>>> unquote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted for
>>>>> by logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers
>>>>> proselytize, intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief
>>>>> system on those who simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible
>>>>> facts cannot account for all that is the Universe and that morality
>>>>> is rooted in religion instead of politics.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> - Philip
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
>>>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
>>>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
>>>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
>>>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts
>>>> will be ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned.
>>>> Sounds like a good plan.
>>>
>>> Filling in the unknown and the unknowable with 'belief' is required
>>> in order to proceed. You drive down the highway on faith. You do
>>> not know with secular certainty that the pavement will support the
>>> weight of your car at any given moment. Examples abound .... witness
>>> the sink holes under roadways in southern California right now. Do
>>> you consider yourself a religious person, ToMh?
>>> --
>>>
>>> - Philip[/color]
>>
>> No, you replace facts with belief, and filling in the unkown with
>> beliefs insead
>> of finding out the truth is no different than creating gods to
>> explain why the sun
>> moves across the sky. It makes no sense and only supports ignorance.
>> It's alright to have faith and personal beliefs, just keep them out of
>> politics and science, to do so just perverts both.[/color]
>
> ToMh ... indeed your thinking has been seduced by secular humanism. Look
> it up. Learn about your seducer.
>[/color]

I'll take secular humanism over mythology and ignorance any day.

[color=blue]
> Beliefs are formed ... followed by discovery. One postulates first. A baby
> goes about this process as does the adult. Study human behavior. As for
> your naive conclusion, politics IS little more than beliefs and science is
> riddled with postulations.
> --
>[/color]
Religion is belief without proof whatsoever. You cannot even begin to
compare science with religion.

ToMh wrote:[color=blue]
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:oKLSd.8767$x53.6547@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> ToMh wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>> news:MuJSd.8685$x53.8481@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>>>>>> --cut--
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those
>>>>>>>>>>> lunatics whose religion teaches them to either convert or
>>>>>>>>>>> kill that are the ones who I object to. There ain't no free
>>>>>>>>>>> lunch (nor free virgins for killing heathens either I think)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>>>>>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith
>>>>>>>>> then it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with
>>>>>>>>> 40 nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of
>>>>>>>>> some faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your
>>>>>>>> own words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll
>>>>>>>> see how disconnected you post appears to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>>>>>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>>>>>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> snip<
>>>>>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> quote:
>>>>>>> Secularist
>>>>>>> n.
>>>>>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>>>>>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
>>>>>>> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
>>>>>>> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
>>>>>>> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
>>>>>>> element.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>>>>>>> should be excluded from government and education
>>>>>>> unquote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted
>>>>>> for by logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers
>>>>>> proselytize, intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief
>>>>>> system on those who simply accept that logic, reason, and
>>>>>> tangible facts cannot account for all that is the Universe and
>>>>>> that morality is rooted in religion instead of politics.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Philip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
>>>>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
>>>>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
>>>>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
>>>>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts
>>>>> will be ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned.
>>>>> Sounds like a good plan.
>>>>
>>>> Filling in the unknown and the unknowable with 'belief' is required
>>>> in order to proceed. You drive down the highway on faith. You do
>>>> not know with secular certainty that the pavement will support the
>>>> weight of your car at any given moment. Examples abound ....
>>>> witness the sink holes under roadways in southern California right
>>>> now. Do you consider yourself a religious person, ToMh?
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> - Philip
>>>
>>> No, you replace facts with belief, and filling in the unkown with
>>> beliefs insead
>>> of finding out the truth is no different than creating gods to
>>> explain why the sun
>>> moves across the sky. It makes no sense and only supports ignorance.
>>> It's alright to have faith and personal beliefs, just keep them out
>>> of politics and science, to do so just perverts both.[/color]
>>
>> ToMh ... indeed your thinking has been seduced by secular humanism. Look
>> it up. Learn about your seducer.
>>[/color]
>
> I'll take secular humanism over mythology and ignorance any day.
>[color=green]
>> Beliefs are formed ... followed by discovery. One postulates first.
>> A baby goes about this process as does the adult. Study human
>> behavior. As for your naive conclusion, politics IS little more
>> than beliefs and science is riddled with postulations.
>> --
>>[/color]
> Religion is belief without proof whatsoever. You cannot even begin to
> compare science with religion.[/color]

That is quite false, ToMh. The secular humanism you ascribe to has all the
trapping of a religion and in the extreme ... a cult. You believe human
intelligence can know all. On this belief you proceed on faith in the hope
that those you trust are right. Problems and shortcomings abound because
your beliefs are politically based. So much for consistency.
--

- Philip

ToMh wrote:[color=blue]
> <diel@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:diel-427517.12310022022005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
>> In article <381a4fF5i3k9oU1@individual.net>,
>> "ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> <diel@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:diel-603BEF.11061922022005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>> In article <38120cF5iteboU1@individual.net>,
>>>> "ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>>>>>> --cut--
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those
>>>>>>>>>>> lunatics whose religion teaches them to either convert or
>>>>>>>>>>> kill that are the ones who I object to. There ain't no free
>>>>>>>>>>> lunch (nor free virgins for killing heathens either I think)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>>>>>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith
>>>>>>>>> then it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with
>>>>>>>>> 40 nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of
>>>>>>>>> some faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your
>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>> words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see
>>>>>>>> how disconnected you post appears to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>>>>>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>>>>>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> snip<
>>>>>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> quote:
>>>>>>> Secularist
>>>>>>> n.
>>>>>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>>>>>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
>>>>>>> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
>>>>>>> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
>>>>>>> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
>>>>>>> element.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>>>>>>> should be excluded from government and education
>>>>>>> unquote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted
>>>>>> for by
>>>>>> logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers
>>>>>> proselytize,
>>>>>> intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief system on
>>>>>> those who
>>>>>> simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible facts cannot
>>>>>> account for
>>>>>> all that is the Universe and that morality is rooted in religion
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> of politics.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Philip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
>>>>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
>>>>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
>>>>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
>>>>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts
>>>>> will
>>>>> be
>>>>> ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned. Sounds
>>>>> like a good plan.
>>>>
>>>> Why not just give it up Tom old boy, you're
>>>> beaten.....Move-on......org --
>>>>
>>> Only in your small ignorant mind. Why don't you quite blindly
>>> replying to post that your not smart enough to participate in. At
>>> least Phillip gives an
>>> argument and I can respect that, you are just a dumbass.[/color]
>>
>> Face facts tom old boy you're WHIPPED and whipped good.
>> --
>>[/color]
> Explain how? Religous people are incapable of arguing facts.[/color]

Then the secular humanist becomes amazingly similar to a religious person
when he cannot provide a provable, scientific accounting.

Secular Humanism is our government's sanctioned religion and is the only
worldview allowed in the public schools. All other competing worldviews have
been declared illegal by the U.S. Supreme Court and effectively eliminated
bit by bit -- 1962 (prayer), 1963 (the Bible), 1980 (Ten Commandments), and
1987 (God) .
--
- Philip

In spite of wars, pestilence, Great Floods, volcanoes,
and celestial collisions, the Earth and Mankind persist.

"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
news:eXNSd.4152$Ba3.1034@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> ToMh wrote:[color=green]
>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>> news:oKLSd.8767$x53.6547@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>> news:MuJSd.8685$x53.8481@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>> Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>>>>>>> --cut--
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those
>>>>>>>>>>>> lunatics whose religion teaches them to either convert or
>>>>>>>>>>>> kill that are the ones who I object to. There ain't no free
>>>>>>>>>>>> lunch (nor free virgins for killing heathens either I think)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>>>>>>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith
>>>>>>>>>> then it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with
>>>>>>>>>> 40 nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of
>>>>>>>>>> some faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your
>>>>>>>>> own words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll
>>>>>>>>> see how disconnected you post appears to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>>>>>>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>>>>>>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> snip<
>>>>>>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> quote:
>>>>>>>> Secularist
>>>>>>>> n.
>>>>>>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>>>>>>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
>>>>>>>> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
>>>>>>>> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
>>>>>>>> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
>>>>>>>> element.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>>>>>>>> should be excluded from government and education
>>>>>>>> unquote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted
>>>>>>> for by logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers
>>>>>>> proselytize, intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief
>>>>>>> system on those who simply accept that logic, reason, and
>>>>>>> tangible facts cannot account for all that is the Universe and
>>>>>>> that morality is rooted in religion instead of politics.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Philip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
>>>>>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
>>>>>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
>>>>>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
>>>>>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts
>>>>>> will be ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned.
>>>>>> Sounds like a good plan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Filling in the unknown and the unknowable with 'belief' is required
>>>>> in order to proceed. You drive down the highway on faith. You do
>>>>> not know with secular certainty that the pavement will support the
>>>>> weight of your car at any given moment. Examples abound ....
>>>>> witness the sink holes under roadways in southern California right
>>>>> now. Do you consider yourself a religious person, ToMh?
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> - Philip
>>>>
>>>> No, you replace facts with belief, and filling in the unkown with
>>>> beliefs insead
>>>> of finding out the truth is no different than creating gods to
>>>> explain why the sun
>>>> moves across the sky. It makes no sense and only supports ignorance.
>>>> It's alright to have faith and personal beliefs, just keep them out
>>>> of politics and science, to do so just perverts both.
>>>
>>> ToMh ... indeed your thinking has been seduced by secular humanism. Look
>>> it up. Learn about your seducer.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I'll take secular humanism over mythology and ignorance any day.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Beliefs are formed ... followed by discovery. One postulates first.
>>> A baby goes about this process as does the adult. Study human
>>> behavior. As for your naive conclusion, politics IS little more
>>> than beliefs and science is riddled with postulations.
>>> --
>>>[/color]
>> Religion is belief without proof whatsoever. You cannot even begin to
>> compare science with religion.[/color]
>
> That is quite false, ToMh. The secular humanism you ascribe to has all
> the trapping of a religion and in the extreme ... a cult. You believe
> human intelligence can know all. On this belief you proceed on faith in
> the hope that those you trust are right. Problems and shortcomings abound
> because your beliefs are politically based. So much for consistency.
> --
>[/color]
I don't believe that at all. I don't think human beings knows it all,
and probably never will, but we learn more every day and what we
do learn should not be discounted by religion which has no
basis in fact at all.

"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
news:fXNSd.4153$Ba3.1120@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> ToMh wrote:[color=green]
>> <diel@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:diel-427517.12310022022005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=darkred]
>>> In article <381a4fF5i3k9oU1@individual.net>,
>>> "ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <diel@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:diel-603BEF.11061922022005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>> In article <38120cF5iteboU1@individual.net>,
>>>>> "ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>> Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>>>>>>> --cut--
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those
>>>>>>>>>>>> lunatics whose religion teaches them to either convert or
>>>>>>>>>>>> kill that are the ones who I object to. There ain't no free
>>>>>>>>>>>> lunch (nor free virgins for killing heathens either I think)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>>>>>>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith
>>>>>>>>>> then it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with
>>>>>>>>>> 40 nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of
>>>>>>>>>> some faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your
>>>>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>>> words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see
>>>>>>>>> how disconnected you post appears to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>>>>>>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>>>>>>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> snip<
>>>>>>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> quote:
>>>>>>>> Secularist
>>>>>>>> n.
>>>>>>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>>>>>>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
>>>>>>>> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
>>>>>>>> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
>>>>>>>> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
>>>>>>>> element.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>>>>>>>> should be excluded from government and education
>>>>>>>> unquote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted
>>>>>>> for by
>>>>>>> logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers
>>>>>>> proselytize,
>>>>>>> intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief system on
>>>>>>> those who
>>>>>>> simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible facts cannot
>>>>>>> account for
>>>>>>> all that is the Universe and that morality is rooted in religion
>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>> of politics.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Philip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
>>>>>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
>>>>>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
>>>>>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
>>>>>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned. Sounds
>>>>>> like a good plan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not just give it up Tom old boy, you're
>>>>> beaten.....Move-on......org --
>>>>>
>>>> Only in your small ignorant mind. Why don't you quite blindly
>>>> replying to post that your not smart enough to participate in. At
>>>> least Phillip gives an
>>>> argument and I can respect that, you are just a dumbass.
>>>
>>> Face facts tom old boy you're WHIPPED and whipped good.
>>> --
>>>[/color]
>> Explain how? Religous people are incapable of arguing facts.[/color]
>
> Then the secular humanist becomes amazingly similar to a religious person
> when he cannot provide a provable, scientific accounting.
>
> Secular Humanism is our government's sanctioned religion and is the only
> worldview allowed in the public schools. All other competing worldviews
> have been declared illegal by the U.S. Supreme Court and effectively
> eliminated bit by bit -- 1962 (prayer), 1963 (the Bible), 1980 (Ten
> Commandments), and 1987 (God) .
> --
> - Philip
>
> In spite of wars, pestilence, Great Floods, volcanoes,
> and celestial collisions, the Earth and Mankind persist.
>
>
>[/color]

I have no problem using the parables of religion as moral learning tools,
that is why religion was created. Funny how conservatives keep bringing
up the 10 commandments who's first rule is to not kill, yet push war and
the death penalty and their right to kill people who mess with them.
I guess the new conservative 10 commands has an asterisk after the rules.

In article <oKLSd.8768$x53.2761@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
> >
> > Face facts tom old boy you're WHIPPED and whipped good.[/color]
>
> As long as ToMh refrains from further name calling, you won't have to send
> him to the Naughty Rug. ;-)[/color]

Easy to get old tom to cuss and swear LOL>>
--

In article <381p59F5kfaqeU1@individual.net>,
"ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:fXNSd.4153$Ba3.1120@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
> > ToMh wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> <diel@spam.com> wrote in message
> >> news:diel-427517.12310022022005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>> In article <381a4fF5i3k9oU1@individual.net>,
> >>> "ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> <diel@spam.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:diel-603BEF.11061922022005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>>>> In article <38120cF5iteboU1@individual.net>,
> >>>>> "ToMh" <te-elh@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >>>>>>> Gord Beaman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> --cut--
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those
> >>>>>>>>>>>> lunatics whose religion teaches them to either convert or
> >>>>>>>>>>>> kill that are the ones who I object to. There ain't no free
> >>>>>>>>>>>> lunch (nor free virgins for killing heathens either I think)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
> >>>>>>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith
> >>>>>>>>>> then it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking with
> >>>>>>>>>> 40 nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens (people of
> >>>>>>>>>> some faith other than yours)?... well...lessee now...humm...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in your
> >>>>>>>>> own
> >>>>>>>>> words. We'll go from there. After you look it up, you'll see
> >>>>>>>>> how disconnected you post appears to me.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
> >>>>>>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
> >>>>>>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> snip<
> >>>>>>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> quote:
> >>>>>>>> Secularist
> >>>>>>>> n.
> >>>>>>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
> >>>>>>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only the
> >>>>>>>> facts and influences which are derived from the present life;
> >>>>>>>> also, one who believes that education and other matters of civil
> >>>>>>>> policy should be managed without the introduction of a religious
> >>>>>>>> element.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
> >>>>>>>> should be excluded from government and education
> >>>>>>>> unquote
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted
> >>>>>>> for by
> >>>>>>> logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular believers
> >>>>>>> proselytize,
> >>>>>>> intimidate, and thru legal means force their belief system on
> >>>>>>> those who
> >>>>>>> simply accept that logic, reason, and tangible facts cannot
> >>>>>>> account for
> >>>>>>> all that is the Universe and that morality is rooted in religion
> >>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>> of politics.
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Philip
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
> >>>>>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
> >>>>>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
> >>>>>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
> >>>>>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those facts
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>> ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be questioned. Sounds
> >>>>>> like a good plan.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why not just give it up Tom old boy, you're
> >>>>> beaten.....Move-on......org --
> >>>>>
> >>>> Only in your small ignorant mind. Why don't you quite blindly
> >>>> replying to post that your not smart enough to participate in. At
> >>>> least Phillip gives an
> >>>> argument and I can respect that, you are just a dumbass.
> >>>
> >>> Face facts tom old boy you're WHIPPED and whipped good.
> >>> --
> >>>
> >> Explain how? Religous people are incapable of arguing facts.[/color]
> >
> > Then the secular humanist becomes amazingly similar to a religious person
> > when he cannot provide a provable, scientific accounting.
> >
> > Secular Humanism is our government's sanctioned religion and is the only
> > worldview allowed in the public schools. All other competing worldviews
> > have been declared illegal by the U.S. Supreme Court and effectively
> > eliminated bit by bit -- 1962 (prayer), 1963 (the Bible), 1980 (Ten
> > Commandments), and 1987 (God) .
> > --
> > - Philip
> >
> > In spite of wars, pestilence, Great Floods, volcanoes,
> > and celestial collisions, the Earth and Mankind persist.
> >
> >
> >[/color]
>
> I have no problem using the parables of religion as moral learning tools,
> that is why religion was created. Funny how conservatives keep bringing
> up the 10 commandments who's first rule is to not kill, yet push war and
> the death penalty and their right to kill people who mess with them.
> I guess the new conservative 10 commands has an asterisk after the rules.
>[/color]

Old tom is so easy to dissect. We know where he's coming from, THE
LEFT, LOL.
--

[email]diel@spam.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <oKLSd.8768$x53.2761@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Face facts tom old boy you're WHIPPED and whipped good.[/color]
>>
>> As long as ToMh refrains from further name calling, you won't have
>> to send him to the Naughty Rug. ;-)[/color]
>
> Easy to get old tom to cuss and swear LOL>>[/color]

Cursing and general coarseness is simply a stress indicator. ;-)
--

- Philip

ToMh wrote:[color=blue]
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:eXNSd.4152$Ba3.1034@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> ToMh wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>> news:oKLSd.8767$x53.6547@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>>> news:MuJSd.8685$x53.8481@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:EqWRd.6334$x53.5954@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>>>> Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> --cut--
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you to a certain point Nat...it's those
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lunatics whose religion teaches them to either convert or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kill that are the ones who I object to. There ain't no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> free lunch (nor free virgins for killing heathens either
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup, it's those lunatic secularists. Convert by government
>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation. Gotta make sure you include them on your list.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I see...so you think that if you're of some particular faith
>>>>>>>>>>> then it's reasonable to expect that you'll be frolicking
>>>>>>>>>>> with 40 nubile virgins after you kill a few heathens
>>>>>>>>>>> (people of some faith other than yours)?... well...lessee
>>>>>>>>>>> now...humm...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have any clue as to what secularism is? Tell me in
>>>>>>>>>> your own words. We'll go from there. After you look it up,
>>>>>>>>>> you'll see how disconnected you post appears to me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -I'm- disconnected?...it was YOU who brought up 'lunatic
>>>>>>>>> secularists'... I said "it's those lunatics whose religion
>>>>>>>>> teaches them to either convert or kill that are..." .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Secularism is a "religion" to its strict followers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> snip<
>>>>>>>>> Btw, here's the meaning of secularist:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> quote:
>>>>>>>>> Secularist
>>>>>>>>> n.
>>>>>>>>> One who theoretically rejects every form of religious
>>>>>>>>> faith, and every kind of religious worship, and accepts only
>>>>>>>>> the facts and influences which are derived from the present
>>>>>>>>> life; also, one who believes that education and other matters
>>>>>>>>> of civil policy should be managed without the introduction of
>>>>>>>>> a religious element.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion
>>>>>>>>> should be excluded from government and education
>>>>>>>>> unquote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds about right to me...you have other ideas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that you know, we shall continue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Secularists have a core belief that everything can be accounted
>>>>>>>> for by logic, reason, and tangible facts. These secular
>>>>>>>> believers proselytize, intimidate, and thru legal means force
>>>>>>>> their belief system on those who simply accept that logic,
>>>>>>>> reason, and tangible facts cannot account for all that is the
>>>>>>>> Universe and
>>>>>>>> that morality is rooted in religion instead of politics.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Philip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In other words, if you can't account for something through
>>>>>>> logic and reason and facts, then we should fill in the blanks
>>>>>>> with some religion's mythology. Of course it should be
>>>>>>> "Your" religion since that is the only correct one,
>>>>>>> and if the facts get in the way of that religion, then those
>>>>>>> facts will be ignored, since the "word of God" cannot be
>>>>>>> questioned. Sounds like a good plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Filling in the unknown and the unknowable with 'belief' is
>>>>>> required in order to proceed. You drive down the highway on
>>>>>> faith. You do not know with secular certainty that the pavement will
>>>>>> support
>>>>>> the weight of your car at any given moment. Examples abound ....
>>>>>> witness the sink holes under roadways in southern California
>>>>>> right now. Do you consider yourself a religious person, ToMh?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Philip
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you replace facts with belief, and filling in the unkown with
>>>>> beliefs insead
>>>>> of finding out the truth is no different than creating gods to
>>>>> explain why the sun
>>>>> moves across the sky. It makes no sense and only supports
>>>>> ignorance. It's alright to have faith and personal beliefs, just
>>>>> keep them out of politics and science, to do so just perverts both.
>>>>
>>>> ToMh ... indeed your thinking has been seduced by secular
>>>> humanism. Look it up. Learn about your seducer.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'll take secular humanism over mythology and ignorance any day.
>>>
>>>> Beliefs are formed ... followed by discovery. One postulates first.
>>>> A baby goes about this process as does the adult. Study human
>>>> behavior. As for your naive conclusion, politics IS little more
>>>> than beliefs and science is riddled with postulations.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>> Religion is belief without proof whatsoever. You cannot even begin
>>> to compare science with religion.[/color]
>>
>> That is quite false, ToMh. The secular humanism you ascribe to has
>> all the trapping of a religion and in the extreme ... a cult. You
>> believe human intelligence can know all. On this belief you proceed
>> on faith in the hope that those you trust are right. Problems and
>> shortcomings abound because your beliefs are politically based. So
>> much for consistency. --
>>[/color]
> I don't believe that at all. I don't think human beings knows it all,
> and probably never will, but we learn more every day and what we
> do learn should not be discounted by religion which has no
> basis in fact at all.[/color]

Ahhh. But secularism believes that all is knowable. I would like to delve
into the basis for your continued assertion that religion has no basis.

What do you make of these affirmations from the secular humanist manifesto?

FIRST: Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not
created.

EIGHTH: Religious Humanism considers the complete realization of human
personality to be the end of man's life and seeks its development and
fulfillment in the here and now. This is the explanation of the humanist's
social passion.
--

- Philip