300HP Supra?

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:24:13 +0000, Peter Johnston wrote:
[color=blue]
> Does any one remember the year Toyota made their 300HP AWD Supra?
>
> I remember reading a review in Road and Track (1996??) about this vehicle.
> Built in very limited numbers. Very few came to Canada/USA. In-line six,
> twin-turbos (?), manual tranny and large rear spoiler.
>
> It was a sleeper. The spoiler was smallish, but the car had a 'presence'
> that was undeniable. Very understated. Punch the throttle though, and the
> car simply transformed itself from an expectedly stodgy Supra into a
> monster - bone-crushing accelreation that pushed your eyes into the back of
> their sockets.
>
> Think about it: twin-turbos to eliminate the typical turbo-lag: AWD with a
> viscous diff: torque variable torque splitting between the front and rear.
> All these things are touted as leading edge technology. Toyota had it
> first.[/color]

Welllll.......actually, the Porsche 959 had all these, back in 1986? 1988?
And there have been others, although I don't think they had the twin
turbos...>[color=blue]
> Cool.
>
> Wish Toyota would do something understated and violently powerful like
> that again.[/color]

hachiroku wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:24:13 +0000, Peter Johnston wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>Does any one remember the year Toyota made their 300HP AWD Supra?
>>
>>I remember reading a review in Road and Track (1996??) about this vehicle.
>>Built in very limited numbers. Very few came to Canada/USA. In-line six,
>>twin-turbos (?), manual tranny and large rear spoiler.
>>
>>It was a sleeper. The spoiler was smallish, but the car had a 'presence'
>>that was undeniable. Very understated. Punch the throttle though, and the
>>car simply transformed itself from an expectedly stodgy Supra into a
>>monster - bone-crushing accelreation that pushed your eyes into the back of
>>their sockets.
>>
>>Think about it: twin-turbos to eliminate the typical turbo-lag: AWD with a
>>viscous diff: torque variable torque splitting between the front and rear.
>>All these things are touted as leading edge technology. Toyota had it
>>first.[/color]
>
>
> Welllll.......actually, the Porsche 959 had all these, back in 1986? 1988?
> And there have been others, although I don't think they had the twin
> turbos...>[/color]

Although never officially imported to the US, the Nissan Skyline GT-R
has been around since 1989. Twin-turbo six (don't recall inline or
not) with a rated (and allegedly very conservative) 276 HP coupled with
AWD. The AWD system was electronically controlled and some variants
had an electronically controlled limited-slip diff.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:05:47 +0000, y_p_w wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
> hachiroku wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:24:13 +0000, Peter Johnston wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Does any one remember the year Toyota made their 300HP AWD Supra?
>>>
>>>I remember reading a review in Road and Track (1996??) about this vehicle.
>>>Built in very limited numbers. Very few came to Canada/USA. In-line six,
>>>twin-turbos (?), manual tranny and large rear spoiler.
>>>
>>>It was a sleeper. The spoiler was smallish, but the car had a 'presence'
>>>that was undeniable. Very understated. Punch the throttle though, and the
>>>car simply transformed itself from an expectedly stodgy Supra into a
>>>monster - bone-crushing accelreation that pushed your eyes into the back of
>>>their sockets.
>>>
>>>Think about it: twin-turbos to eliminate the typical turbo-lag: AWD with a
>>>viscous diff: torque variable torque splitting between the front and rear.
>>>All these things are touted as leading edge technology. Toyota had it
>>>first.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Welllll.......actually, the Porsche 959 had all these, back in 1986? 1988?
>> And there have been others, although I don't think they had the twin
>> turbos...>[/color]
>
> Although never officially imported to the US, the Nissan Skyline GT-R
> has been around since 1989. Twin-turbo six (don't recall inline or
> not) with a rated (and allegedly very conservative) 276 HP coupled with
> AWD. The AWD system was electronically controlled and some variants
> had an electronically controlled limited-slip diff.[/color]

I *knew* I forgot one! ;)

I actually saw one in Providence, RHD. Sweet!

"Peter Johnston" <peter.johnston@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:N2QSd.474040$8l.207063@pd7tw1no...[color=blue]
> Does any one remember the year Toyota made their 300HP AWD Supra?
>
> I remember reading a review in Road and Track (1996??) about this vehicle.
> Built in very limited numbers. Very few came to Canada/USA. In-line six,
> twin-turbos (?), manual tranny and large rear spoiler.
>
> It was a sleeper. The spoiler was smallish, but the car had a 'presence'
> that was undeniable. Very understated. Punch the throttle though, and
> the
> car simply transformed itself from an expectedly stodgy Supra into a
> monster - bone-crushing accelreation that pushed your eyes into the back
> of
> their sockets.
>
> Think about it: twin-turbos to eliminate the typical turbo-lag: AWD with
> a
> viscous diff: torque variable torque splitting between the front and rear.
> All these things are touted as leading edge technology. Toyota had it
> first.
>
> Cool.
>
> Wish Toyota would do something understated and violently powerful like
> that
> again.
>[/color]
Toyota never sold a production AWD Supra in the U.S. Turbo was available,
although I forget what years.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

Peter Johnston wrote:[color=blue]
> Does any one remember the year Toyota made their 300HP AWD Supra?
>
> I remember reading a review in Road and Track (1996??) about this vehicle.
> Built in very limited numbers. Very few came to Canada/USA. In-line six,
> twin-turbos (?), manual tranny and large rear spoiler.
>
> It was a sleeper. The spoiler was smallish, but the car had a 'presence'
> that was undeniable. Very understated. Punch the throttle though, and the
> car simply transformed itself from an expectedly stodgy Supra into a
> monster - bone-crushing accelreation that pushed your eyes into the back of
> their sockets.
>
> Think about it: twin-turbos to eliminate the typical turbo-lag: AWD with a
> viscous diff: torque variable torque splitting between the front and rear.
> All these things are touted as leading edge technology. Toyota had it
> first.
>
> Cool.
>
> Wish Toyota would do something understated and violently powerful like that
> again.
>
>[/color]
Overpriced like the 300Z twinturbo, Mitsu 3000GTVR4 and Mazda RX-7 Twin
Turbo. I think that supra was in the mid 40's USD.

Maybe I was thinking of the AWD celica that came out later.

Yup, overpriced still. Was checking out the used ads - whoooee, some over
USD$30K with 50,000miles on them. Thats retarded. Mind you, it is
shedloads of cash cheaper than the 959.

OK, all these others were /are just as expensive. Even though I love my
Matrix XR, the HP/Torque side of the equation could stand a boost. Haven't
looked into tuner stuff for the Matrix. Not really the kind of car you'd
necessarily do that to. The "Superchargers" are electric and slaped on with
a cheap wiring harness and a couple of clamps. Pretty hokey. Haven't seen
anything about after-market chips, but then the warranty goes away.

So whats hot with Toyota? There doesn't really seem to be to much going for
them from a sports car side of things. Some of the concept vehicles look
sultry, but whats the chance one of them get built.

I refuse to buy a CAD$52,000+ Subaru impreza!!! With taxes and a couple of
geegaws, we're talking $60K. For a small 4-door sedan. Rides like a plank.
Tires are $300 a corner and service costs have got to be believed - then add
in the parts and tax. Groan.

Any suggestions for a good solid sleeper?

Peter

"Another Tom" <thamilt_anda_5@snet.net> wrote in message
news:O%7Td.3204$DW.758@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...[color=blue]
> Peter Johnston wrote:[color=green]
> > Does any one remember the year Toyota made their 300HP AWD Supra?
> >
> > I remember reading a review in Road and Track (1996??) about this[/color][/color]
vehicle.[color=blue][color=green]
> > Built in very limited numbers. Very few came to Canada/USA. In-line[/color][/color]
six,[color=blue][color=green]
> > twin-turbos (?), manual tranny and large rear spoiler.
> >
> > It was a sleeper. The spoiler was smallish, but the car had a[/color][/color]
'presence'[color=blue][color=green]
> > that was undeniable. Very understated. Punch the throttle though, and[/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > car simply transformed itself from an expectedly stodgy Supra into a
> > monster - bone-crushing accelreation that pushed your eyes into the back[/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green]
> > their sockets.
> >
> > Think about it: twin-turbos to eliminate the typical turbo-lag: AWD[/color][/color]
with a[color=blue][color=green]
> > viscous diff: torque variable torque splitting between the front and[/color][/color]
rear.[color=blue][color=green]
> > All these things are touted as leading edge technology. Toyota had it
> > first.
> >
> > Cool.
> >
> > Wish Toyota would do something understated and violently powerful like[/color][/color]
that[color=blue][color=green]
> > again.
> >
> >[/color]
> Overpriced like the 300Z twinturbo, Mitsu 3000GTVR4 and Mazda RX-7 Twin
> Turbo. I think that supra was in the mid 40's USD.[/color]

[color=blue]
>
>[/color]

SHO 6-cyl 5-speed. It is too bad, my father just gave his away, a 1989
with 90K miles.

[email]rokigawa@tristarassociates.com[/email]

"Peter Johnston" <peter.johnston@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:bD8Td.488947$Xk.376629@pd7tw3no...[color=blue]
> Maybe I was thinking of the AWD celica that came out later.[/color]

Thee Celica was offered in a turbocharged, AWD version.
[color=blue]
>
> Yup, overpriced still. Was checking out the used ads - whoooee, some over
> USD$30K with 50,000miles on them. Thats retarded. Mind you, it is
> shedloads of cash cheaper than the 959.
>
> OK, all these others were /are just as expensive. Even though I love my
> Matrix XR, the HP/Torque side of the equation could stand a boost.
> Haven't
> looked into tuner stuff for the Matrix. Not really the kind of car you'd
> necessarily do that to. The "Superchargers" are electric and slaped on
> with
> a cheap wiring harness and a couple of clamps. Pretty hokey. Haven't
> seen
> anything about after-market chips, but then the warranty goes away.
>
> So whats hot with Toyota? There doesn't really seem to be to much going
> for
> them from a sports car side of things. Some of the concept vehicles look
> sultry, but whats the chance one of them get built.
>
> I refuse to buy a CAD$52,000+ Subaru impreza!!! With taxes and a couple
> of
> geegaws, we're talking $60K. For a small 4-door sedan. Rides like a
> plank.
> Tires are $300 a corner and service costs have got to be believed - then
> add
> in the parts and tax. Groan.
>
> Any suggestions for a good solid sleeper?
>
> Peter[/color]

A 5 speed Cressida was a great sleeper!

I saw a concept Lexus IS 430 with the 4.3 liter V8 that would have made a
great sleeper.

Corolla GTS or FX16 GTS were good sleepers.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:06:22 GMT, Another Tom
<thamilt_anda_5@snet.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Overpriced like the 300Z twinturbo, Mitsu 3000GTVR4 and Mazda RX-7 Twin
>Turbo. I think that supra was in the mid 40's USD.[/color]

Was the Supra overpriced? The fact is that the Yen was at an all-time
high against the dollar during the mid-90's, pushing-up the price of
the Japanese-made Supra. Also, you get what you pay for. The Supra,
which shared it's chassis with the 90's Lexus SC coupe, is a very
well-built car, much more expensive to make than the typical cheap FWD
machine.

Then you have to add the costs of the twin-turbocharged and
intercooled engine, heavy-duty transmissions, exotic brakes, Torsen
differential, aluminum hood, high-performance tires, etc, etc.

All this in a very low-volume car. Of course it's going to be
significantly more expensive than mass-market vehicles.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:48:23 +0000, Peter Johnston wrote:
[color=blue]
> Maybe I was thinking of the AWD celica that came out later.
>
> Yup, overpriced still. Was checking out the used ads - whoooee, some over
> USD$30K with 50,000miles on them. Thats retarded. Mind you, it is
> shedloads of cash cheaper than the 959.
>
> OK, all these others were /are just as expensive. Even though I love my
> Matrix XR, the HP/Torque side of the equation could stand a boost. Haven't
> looked into tuner stuff for the Matrix. Not really the kind of car you'd
> necessarily do that to. The "Superchargers" are electric and slaped on with
> a cheap wiring harness and a couple of clamps. Pretty hokey. Haven't seen
> anything about after-market chips, but then the warranty goes away.
>
> So whats hot with Toyota? There doesn't really seem to be to much going for
> them from a sports car side of things. Some of the concept vehicles look
> sultry, but whats the chance one of them get built.[/color]

I've been thinking about this for a while. I didn't like the 'new' MR-2,
and it and the Celica are going bye-bye; the only 'sporty' type car Toy
still has is the Solara, aimed squarely at my age bracket (35-50). Nice
car, but basically a Camry with 2 doors. Where are the 'hachirokus'? :(...
(er, 'hachiroki'?)
[color=blue]
>
> I refuse to buy a CAD$52,000+ Subaru impreza!!! With taxes and a couple of
> geegaws, we're talking $60K. For a small 4-door sedan. Rides like a plank.
> Tires are $300 a corner and service costs have got to be believed - then add
> in the parts and tax. Groan.
>
> Any suggestions for a good solid sleeper?
>
> Peter
>
> "Another Tom" <thamilt_anda_5@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:O%7Td.3204$DW.758@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...[color=green]
>> Peter Johnston wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > Does any one remember the year Toyota made their 300HP AWD Supra?
>> >
>> > I remember reading a review in Road and Track (1996??) about this[/color][/color]
> vehicle.[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Built in very limited numbers. Very few came to Canada/USA. In-line[/color][/color]
> six,[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > twin-turbos (?), manual tranny and large rear spoiler.
>> >
>> > It was a sleeper. The spoiler was smallish, but the car had a[/color][/color]
> 'presence'[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > that was undeniable. Very understated. Punch the throttle though, and[/color][/color]
> the[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > car simply transformed itself from an expectedly stodgy Supra into a
>> > monster - bone-crushing accelreation that pushed your eyes into the back[/color][/color]
> of[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > their sockets.
>> >
>> > Think about it: twin-turbos to eliminate the typical turbo-lag: AWD[/color][/color]
> with a[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > viscous diff: torque variable torque splitting between the front and[/color][/color]
> rear.[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > All these things are touted as leading edge technology. Toyota had it
>> > first.
>> >
>> > Cool.
>> >
>> > Wish Toyota would do something understated and violently powerful like[/color][/color]
> that[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > again.
>> >
>> >[/color]
>> Overpriced like the 300Z twinturbo, Mitsu 3000GTVR4 and Mazda RX-7 Twin
>> Turbo. I think that supra was in the mid 40's USD.[/color][/color]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:56:52 -0600, Ray O wrote:
[color=blue]
> [email]rokigawa@tristarassociates.com[/email]
>
> "Peter Johnston" <peter.johnston@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:bD8Td.488947$Xk.376629@pd7tw3no...[color=green]
>> Maybe I was thinking of the AWD celica that came out later.[/color]
>
> Thee Celica was offered in a turbocharged, AWD version.
>[color=green]
>>
>> Yup, overpriced still. Was checking out the used ads - whoooee, some over
>> USD$30K with 50,000miles on them. Thats retarded. Mind you, it is
>> shedloads of cash cheaper than the 959.
>>
>> OK, all these others were /are just as expensive. Even though I love my
>> Matrix XR, the HP/Torque side of the equation could stand a boost.
>> Haven't
>> looked into tuner stuff for the Matrix. Not really the kind of car you'd
>> necessarily do that to. The "Superchargers" are electric and slaped on
>> with
>> a cheap wiring harness and a couple of clamps. Pretty hokey. Haven't
>> seen
>> anything about after-market chips, but then the warranty goes away.
>>
>> So whats hot with Toyota? There doesn't really seem to be to much going
>> for
>> them from a sports car side of things. Some of the concept vehicles look
>> sultry, but whats the chance one of them get built.
>>
>> I refuse to buy a CAD$52,000+ Subaru impreza!!! With taxes and a couple
>> of
>> geegaws, we're talking $60K. For a small 4-door sedan. Rides like a
>> plank.
>> Tires are $300 a corner and service costs have got to be believed - then
>> add
>> in the parts and tax. Groan.
>>
>> Any suggestions for a good solid sleeper?
>>
>> Peter[/color]
>
> A 5 speed Cressida was a great sleeper![/color]

Basically the same as a Supra...
[color=blue]
>
> I saw a concept Lexus IS 430 with the 4.3 liter V8 that would have made a
> great sleeper.
>
> Corolla GTS or FX16 GTS were good sleepers.[/color]

Oh, yeah! Both were very flickable with neutral handling, decent looks and
enough pep to get out of more than their own way.

I cry every time I look out the back door and see my AE86 slowly rusting
into the ground. This summer, for sure...

dizzy wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:06:22 GMT, Another Tom
> <thamilt_anda_5@snet.net> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>Overpriced like the 300Z twinturbo, Mitsu 3000GTVR4 and Mazda RX-7 Twin
>>Turbo. I think that supra was in the mid 40's USD.[/color]
>
>
> Was the Supra overpriced?[/color]

Yes.

The fact is that the Yen was at an all-time[color=blue]
> high against the dollar during the mid-90's, pushing-up the price of
> the Japanese-made Supra.[/color]

Ok, they were fools for putting out a car for americans in such an
unaffordable economic climate.

Also, you get what you pay for.

No, you pay for what you get.

The Supra,[color=blue]
> which shared it's chassis with the 90's Lexus SC coupe, is a very
> well-built car,[/color]

so if my echo.

much more expensive to make than the typical cheap FWD[color=blue]
> machine.
>
> Then you have to add the costs of the twin-turbocharged and
> intercooled engine, heavy-duty transmissions, exotic brakes, Torsen
> differential, aluminum hood, high-performance tires, etc, etc.[/color]

Say "evo", years later, less money.

[color=blue]
>
> All this in a very low-volume car. Of course it's going to be
> significantly more expensive than mass-market vehicles.
>[/color]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:11:57 GMT, Another Tom <sg7188@snet.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>dizzy wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:06:22 GMT, Another Tom
>> <thamilt_anda_5@snet.net> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Overpriced like the 300Z twinturbo, Mitsu 3000GTVR4 and Mazda RX-7 Twin
>>>Turbo. I think that supra was in the mid 40's USD.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Was the Supra overpriced?[/color]
>
>Yes.[/color]

Gee, such a well-reasoned argument you put forth, here and below.
[color=blue]
>The fact is that the Yen was at an all-time[color=green]
>> high against the dollar during the mid-90's, pushing-up the price of
>> the Japanese-made Supra.[/color]
>
>Ok, they were fools for putting out a car for americans in such an
>unaffordable economic climate.
>
>Also, you get what you pay for.
>
>No, you pay for what you get.[/color]

Idiot.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> The Supra,
>> which shared it's chassis with the 90's Lexus SC coupe, is a very
>> well-built car,[/color]
>
>so if my echo.[/color]

Dumbshit. It's of a much cheaper construction.
[color=blue]
> much more expensive to make than the typical cheap FWD[color=green]
>> machine.
>>
>> Then you have to add the costs of the twin-turbocharged and
>> intercooled engine, heavy-duty transmissions, exotic brakes, Torsen
>> differential, aluminum hood, high-performance tires, etc, etc.[/color]
>
>Say "evo", years later, less money.[/color]

Idiot. The evo is based on a high-volume economy sub-compact.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> All this in a very low-volume car. Of course it's going to be
>> significantly more expensive than mass-market vehicles.[/color][/color]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:11:57 +0000, Another Tom wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
> dizzy wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:06:22 GMT, Another Tom
>> <thamilt_anda_5@snet.net> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Overpriced like the 300Z twinturbo, Mitsu 3000GTVR4 and Mazda RX-7 Twin
>>>Turbo. I think that supra was in the mid 40's USD.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Was the Supra overpriced?[/color]
>
> Yes.
>
> The fact is that the Yen was at an all-time[color=green]
>> high against the dollar during the mid-90's, pushing-up the price of
>> the Japanese-made Supra.[/color]
>
> Ok, they were fools for putting out a car for americans in such an
> unaffordable economic climate.
>
> Also, you get what you pay for.
>
> No, you pay for what you get.
>
> The Supra,[color=green]
>> which shared it's chassis with the 90's Lexus SC coupe, is a very
>> well-built car,[/color]
>
> so if my echo.
>
> much more expensive to make than the typical cheap FWD[color=green]
>> machine.
>>
>> Then you have to add the costs of the twin-turbocharged and
>> intercooled engine, heavy-duty transmissions, exotic brakes, Torsen
>> differential, aluminum hood, high-performance tires, etc, etc.[/color]
>
> Say "evo", years later, less money.[/color]

Not as much class...

The evo is a fast car, but it's a stripper. Nothing on it. The Supra was a
much more solid car and felt it as soon as you sat and 'whumped' the door
shut. Much, much more car.
[color=blue]
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> All this in a very low-volume car. Of course it's going to be
>> significantly more expensive than mass-market vehicles.
>>[/color][/color]

In article <38500$421d1c9e$44a4a10d$29241@msgid.meganewsservers.com>,
rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcom says...[color=blue]
>
> Thee Celica was offered in a turbocharged, AWD version.
>
>[/color]
Yep, 3 generations for europe and Japan (ST165, ST185, ST205), only
first 2 generations for US.

I have a UK spec ST185. they were marketted as GT4, All-Trac, or AWD
turbo, depending where you were in the world.
--
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