2005 Corolla -- undercoating needed?

Bruce wrote:[color=blue]
> I have a 2-month-old Corolla, and I live in Hilo, HI, a mile from the
> ocean and we get over 100 inches of rain a year (and its acidic from
> the volcano fumes). The reason I traded in my previous car, a 1996
> Honda Civic, was that there was so much underbody rust damage that
> most of the suspension and the brake lines needed to be replaced.
>
> In spite of offering various other expensive "protective" treatments
> at the time of sale, my dealership did not offer undercoating. I
> thought the Toyota warranty would cover this type of damage for 5
> years, but the dealer orientation emphasized that it covered rust
> "from the inside out", so I'm not sure just what it would cover.
>
> Question: given the local environment, would I be wise to get Ziebart
> undercoating?[/color]

Rain (even acid rain) probably likely the source of your rust. More
likely there was some salt involved, as in driving in the ocean. Did
you buy the '96 Civic new, or was it used?

You should keep your wallet in your pocket.

Travis Jordan wrote:[color=blue]
> Rain (even acid rain) probably likely the source of your rust. More
> likely there was some salt involved, as in driving in the ocean. Did[/color]

Meant to say....

Rain (even acid rain) probably wasn't the source of your rust.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:31:27 GMT, Bruce <bbon@earthlink.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>I have a 2-month-old Corolla, and I live in Hilo, HI, a mile from the
>ocean and we get over 100 inches of rain a year (and its acidic from the
>volcano fumes). The reason I traded in my previous car, a 1996 Honda
>Civic, was that there was so much underbody rust damage that most of the
>suspension and the brake lines needed to be replaced.
>
>In spite of offering various other expensive "protective" treatments at
>the time of sale, my dealership did not offer undercoating. I thought
>the Toyota warranty would cover this type of damage for 5 years, but the
>dealer orientation emphasized that it covered rust "from the inside
>out", so I'm not sure just what it would cover.
>
>Question: given the local environment, would I be wise to get Ziebart
>undercoating?
>
>Thanks.
>[/color]


Living in HI, if it was a real issue, wouldn't the anti-rust treatment
be standard?

I mean extra effort is made to get the car there, and with the high
taxes of HI,cars are expensive.

Check around with auto clubs, find out what they've seen.

hth,

tom @ [url]www.CarFleaMarket.com[/url]

Bruce wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have a 2-month-old Corolla, and I live in Hilo, HI,
> a mile from the ocean and we get over 100 inches of rain
> a year (and its acidic from the volcano fumes). The
> reason I traded in my previous car, a 1996 Honda Civic,
> was that there was so much underbody rust damage that
> most of the suspension and the brake lines needed to be
> replaced.[/color]
[color=blue]
> given the local environment, would I be wise to get Ziebart
> undercoating?[/color]

Only if the car is always parked and driven indoors because aftermarket
rust treatments are more likely to make rusting worse than better.
Most warranties included with the treatments allow the company to
refund the original cost rather than repair the rust damage.

Travis Jordan wrote:[color=blue]
> Bruce wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I have a 2-month-old Corolla, and I live in Hilo, HI, a mile from the
>>ocean and we get over 100 inches of rain a year (and its acidic from
>>the volcano fumes). The reason I traded in my previous car, a 1996
>>Honda Civic, was that there was so much underbody rust damage that
>>most of the suspension and the brake lines needed to be replaced.
>>
>>In spite of offering various other expensive "protective" treatments
>>at the time of sale, my dealership did not offer undercoating. I
>>thought the Toyota warranty would cover this type of damage for 5
>>years, but the dealer orientation emphasized that it covered rust
>>"from the inside out", so I'm not sure just what it would cover.
>>
>>Question: given the local environment, would I be wise to get Ziebart
>>undercoating?[/color]
>
>
> Rain (even acid rain) probably likely the source of your rust. More
> likely there was some salt involved, as in driving in the ocean. Did
> you buy the '96 Civic new, or was it used?
>
> You should keep your wallet in your pocket.
>[/color]
The Civic was used, low mileage and no visible rust on the original
painted sheet metal. It seemed to be in good shape when I bought it in
early 2003. I think that even the mechanics at the dealership failed to
notice any issue until they were analyzing a brake fluid leak in Nov.
2004. The car was originally purchased in Hawaii, so was near the ocean
all that time.

Bruce wrote:[color=blue]
> The Civic was used, low mileage and no visible rust on the original
> painted sheet metal. It seemed to be in good shape when I bought it
> in early 2003. I think that even the mechanics at the dealership
> failed to notice any issue until they were analyzing a brake fluid
> leak in Nov. 2004. The car was originally purchased in Hawaii, so
> was near the ocean all that time.[/color]

Too late to have been caught in Iniki, but I wonder if it didn't sit in
some salt water along the way.

Here in coastal Florida we get almost as much rain as eastern Oahu, and
we don't have any rust problems with modern cars, even those housed
directly on the Gulf. However, those cars that get flooded out by
rising salt water (as in the hurricanes of '04) end up rusting away from
the inside out.

Travis Jordan wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> Rain (even acid rain) probably likely the source of your rust. More
> likely there was some salt involved, as in driving in the ocean. Did
> you buy the '96 Civic new, or was it used?[/color]


You dont need to drive into the ocean to get rust from salt water, only
live near it. If you live in a seaside town, you will get salt
corrosion, even if you never drive to the beach.

MDT Tech® wrote:[color=blue]
> You dont need to drive into the ocean to get rust from salt water,
> only live near it. If you live in a seaside town, you will get salt
> corrosion, even if you never drive to the beach.[/color]

That may be true in some circumstances, such as when you park directly
on the beach and get strong nightly off-shore breezes carrying salt
spray. But for most of us who live in coastal Florida (which is not
unlike coasal Oahu except for the hills) as long as you stay away from
the blowing salt water....like when crossing a bridge in strong
winds....you won't see much evidence of salt corrosion on cars.

None of my Toyota products (one of which is an 88 Camry) show any signs
of internal or external corrosion, in spite of 17 years of living on the
coast.

I live in the rust belt and one strategy has worked for me: hose out
your undercarriage every one or two weeks. Or if this sounds too much
trouble for you, hose it down once a month. I had a camry for 14 years
and no rust !


Bruce wrote:[color=blue]
> I have a 2-month-old Corolla, and I live in Hilo, HI, a mile from the[/color]
[color=blue]
> ocean and we get over 100 inches of rain a year (and its acidic from[/color]
the[color=blue]
> volcano fumes). The reason I traded in my previous car, a 1996 Honda[/color]
[color=blue]
> Civic, was that there was so much underbody rust damage that most of[/color]
the[color=blue]
> suspension and the brake lines needed to be replaced.
>
> In spite of offering various other expensive "protective" treatments[/color]
at[color=blue]
> the time of sale, my dealership did not offer undercoating. I[/color]
thought[color=blue]
> the Toyota warranty would cover this type of damage for 5 years, but[/color]
the[color=blue]
> dealer orientation emphasized that it covered rust "from the inside
> out", so I'm not sure just what it would cover.
>
> Question: given the local environment, would I be wise to get[/color]
Ziebart[color=blue]
> undercoating?
>
> Thanks.[/color]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:35:21 GMT, "Travis Jordan" <no.one@no.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>MDT Tech® wrote:[color=green]
>> You dont need to drive into the ocean to get rust from salt water,
>> only live near it. If you live in a seaside town, you will get salt
>> corrosion, even if you never drive to the beach.[/color]
>
>That may be true in some circumstances, such as when you park directly
>on the beach and get strong nightly off-shore breezes carrying salt
>spray. But for most of us who live in coastal Florida (which is not
>unlike coasal Oahu except for the hills) as long as you stay away from
>the blowing salt water....like when crossing a bridge in strong
>winds....you won't see much evidence of salt corrosion on cars.
>
>None of my Toyota products (one of which is an 88 Camry) show any signs
>of internal or external corrosion, in spite of 17 years of living on the
>coast.
>[/color]

Agreed.

On the West Coast of Florida where I live you don't see very much
corrosion caused by living near salt water.

My house is on salt water and my cars don't have a speck of rust
caused by that...

Now the East Coast of Florida is a different story. I would never buy
a car from the East Coast...(they have more on shore winds...I would
guess).


--
Scott in Florida

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:58:05 -0800, Jack wrote:
[color=blue]
> I live in the rust belt and one strategy has worked for me: hose out
> your undercarriage every one or two weeks. Or if this sounds too much
> trouble for you, hose it down once a month. I had a camry for 14 years
> and no rust ![/color]

This does work, but I add one more thing: oil the thing with hydraulic
oil. Wish I knew this in '86 when I bought my 'hachiroku' :(
[color=blue]
>
>
> Bruce wrote:[color=green]
>> I have a 2-month-old Corolla, and I live in Hilo, HI, a mile from the[/color]
>[color=green]
>> ocean and we get over 100 inches of rain a year (and its acidic from[/color]
> the[color=green]
>> volcano fumes). The reason I traded in my previous car, a 1996 Honda[/color]
>[color=green]
>> Civic, was that there was so much underbody rust damage that most of[/color]
> the[color=green]
>> suspension and the brake lines needed to be replaced.
>>
>> In spite of offering various other expensive "protective" treatments[/color]
> at[color=green]
>> the time of sale, my dealership did not offer undercoating. I[/color]
> thought[color=green]
>> the Toyota warranty would cover this type of damage for 5 years, but[/color]
> the[color=green]
>> dealer orientation emphasized that it covered rust "from the inside
>> out", so I'm not sure just what it would cover.
>>
>> Question: given the local environment, would I be wise to get[/color]
> Ziebart[color=green]
>> undercoating?
>>
>> Thanks.[/color][/color]

MDT Tech® <liberals_are@lying_sax_shit.com> wrote in
news:0VMUd.7842$MY6.3782@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
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> Travis Jordan wrote:[color=green]
>>
>>
>> Rain (even acid rain) probably likely the source of your rust.[/color][/color]



HAHAHAHA! "Acid rain"? HAHAHAHA!

You haven't got a clue what that actually is, do you?

--
TeGGeR®

"TeGGer®" <tegger@istop.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns960BD2C03F490teggeratistop@207.14.113.17...[color=blue]
> MDT Tech® <liberals_are@lying_sax_shit.com> wrote in
> news:0VMUd.7842$MY6.3782@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>[color=green]
>> Travis Jordan wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> Rain (even acid rain) probably likely the source of your rust.[/color][/color]
>
>
>
> HAHAHAHA! "Acid rain"? HAHAHAHA!
>
> You haven't got a clue what that actually is, do you?
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>[/color]
Acid rain is more prevalent in the east coast than in Hawaii. Acid rain
that is strong enough to rust out the undercarriage would eat the paint on
the upper surfaces long before the undercarriage.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

> > > Travis Jordan wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > >
> > >
> > > Rain (even acid rain) probably likely the source of your rust.[/color][/color]
>
> HAHAHAHA! "Acid rain"? HAHAHAHA!
> You haven't got a clue what that actually is, do you?[/color]

Sorry, Teg, you missed my corrrection to that post, which was:

"Meant to say....

Rain (even acid rain) probably wasn't the source of your rust."

Travis Jordan wrote:[color=blue]
>
> None of my Toyota products (one of which is an 88 Camry) show any signs
> of internal or external corrosion, in spite of 17 years of living on the
> coast.
>
>[/color]
Now, there wil be corrosion, but what you deemed to be no corrosion is
corrosion in my area. We have family that live closer to the ocean, but
no on or near the ocean and they aluminum all get super oxidized. But
not excessive at all compared ot salt belt states where the roads are
salted, ie mid west. I live real close to the coast and right next to
salt water.