disabling the daytime driving lights

Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a 2000
Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of course I
want the rest of the headlight system to work.

I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
anymore.

--
No matter what happens someone will find a way to take it too seriously.

In news:xn0dzo6yy19rcs8000@news.individual.net,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> typed:[color=blue]
> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>
> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
> anymore.[/color]

I *just* asked the same of my Toyota dealer about my new 4 runner as it
states in the manual that it can be done by the dealer. The dealer told me
that it was not as simple as removing a fuse...they needed to rewire some
things, etc. because by removing the fuse you would not have lights. Said it
would cost about $180 or so. That was the end of if for me :-)

....Allen

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in
news:xn0dzo6yy19rcs8000@news.individual.net:
[color=blue]
> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a 2000
> Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of course I
> want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>[/color]



It's an easy fix.

Do you feel like subscribing to this Yahoo group?
[url]http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Toyotas_Only/[/url]

In the Files section you will find two methods of disabling the DRLs. One
involves cutting a wire and redirecting another, and the other involves
changes inside the DRL relay itelf. All the DRL relays are the same, but
its location may vary between models.

I've done it to our Tercel, using the relay modification procedure.

Apparently US dealers have a TSB (EL011-00) describing the procedure, so
they know already how to do it. That TSB is also in the Files section of
the Yahoo group.

Good luck.


--
TeGGeR®

On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
<REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a 2000
>Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of course I
>want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>
>I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>anymore.[/color]


IMHO:

Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.

Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
reading this post. :-P

Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)

later,

tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url]

> On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"[color=blue]
> <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
>> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
>> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>>
>> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>> anymore.[/color]
>
>[/color]
In news:4hl831p02cme9ep0npk8rks995dpqclaou@4ax.com,
The Real Tom <Tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com> typed:
[color=blue]
> IMHO:
>
> Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
> litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
> imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
> having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
> multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
>
> Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
> reading this post. :-P
>
> Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
>
> later,
>
> tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url][/color]

What about in states that don't require you to have them? But, in agreement
with you, I 'had' a Cadillac and wanted them disabled here in Texas, and the
dealer said they couldn't *because* they were a 'safety' feature. So your
statement could be interpreted either way, I presume...by lawyers!!

....Allen

The Real Tom <Tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
><REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a 2000
>>Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of course I
>>want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>>
>>I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>>annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>>anymore.[/color]
>
>
>IMHO:
>
>Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
>litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
>imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
>having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
>multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
>
>Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
>reading this post. :-P
>
>Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
>
>later,
>
>tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url]
>
>[/color]
Damned right...in these litigation happy times you're asking for
it when you deliberately defeat a safety device.

Imagine some sharp lawyer explaining to a sympathetic judge that
this bad young pup who hates DRL's and thinks he doesn't need
them because his eyesight is better than superman's (and
everyone's should be too else they shouldn't be driving)

I cannot believe why anyone would deliberately defeat DRL's...how
fricking stupid can you get?..
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:46:42 GMT, "Allen L." <invalid@invalid.com>
wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
>> <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
>>> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
>>> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>>>
>>> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>>> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>>> anymore.[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>In news:4hl831p02cme9ep0npk8rks995dpqclaou@4ax.com,
>The Real Tom <Tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com> typed:
>[color=green]
>> IMHO:
>>
>> Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
>> litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
>> imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
>> having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
>> multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
>>
>> Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
>> reading this post. :-P
>>
>> Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url][/color]
>
>What about in states that don't require you to have them? But, in agreement
>with you, I 'had' a Cadillac and wanted them disabled here in Texas, and the
>dealer said they couldn't *because* they were a 'safety' feature. So your
>statement could be interpreted either way, I presume...by lawyers!!
>
>...Allen
>
>[/color]


I know I opening myself for flames, but lawyers aren't the problem,
and don't scare me as much as the 6 average citizens who do the actual
awarding, nuts in most big cases.

One story I heard, a woman as award(here you see from people) by a
jury a large sum of money for an injury she sustained in a furnature
store. She tripped over an out of control child while she was
checking out the furnature. The kicker,,,,, it was her kid.

Juriors should have some common sense test, but common sense isn't
common.


Purely in my humble option,

tom

The Chevrolet Impala I am assigned has a surveillance button on the
dash to disable the DRLs when needed. It is a part of the police
package. Sometimes we (the police) have a need to drive short
distances with no lights or sit watching locations with engine running
and lights off.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:14:25 GMT, Gord Beaman <gord@islandtelecom.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>The Real Tom <Tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
>><REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a 2000
>>>Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of course I
>>>want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>>>
>>>I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>>>annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>>>anymore.[/color]
>>
>>
>>IMHO:
>>
>>Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
>>litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
>>imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
>>having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
>>multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
>>
>>Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
>>reading this post. :-P
>>
>>Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
>>
>>later,
>>
>>tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url]
>>
>>[/color]
>Damned right...in these litigation happy times you're asking for
>it when you deliberately defeat a safety device.
>
>Imagine some sharp lawyer explaining to a sympathetic judge that
>this bad young pup who hates DRL's and thinks he doesn't need
>them because his eyesight is better than superman's (and
>everyone's should be too else they shouldn't be driving)
>
>I cannot believe why anyone would deliberately defeat DRL's...how
>fricking stupid can you get?..[/color]

The Real Tom wrote:[color=blue]
> On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
> <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
>> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
>> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>>
>> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>> anymore.[/color]
>
>
> IMHO:
>
> Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
> litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
> imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
> having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
> multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
>
> Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
> reading this post. :-P
>
> Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
>
> later,
>
> tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url][/color]


Tom: Please cite the law you claim "exposes yourself to severe litigation
issues".

Considering fewer and fewer vehicles are DRL equipped, so equipping one
vehicle and not the next is a policy of sorts.


--

- Philip

Gord Beaman wrote:[color=blue]
> The Real Tom <Tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
>> <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
>>> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
>>> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>>>
>>> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>>> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>>> anymore.[/color]
>>
>>
>> IMHO:
>>
>> Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
>> litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
>> imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against,
>> and having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
>> multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
>>
>> Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
>> reading this post. :-P
>>
>> Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url]
>>
>>[/color]
> Damned right...in these litigation happy times you're asking for
> it when you deliberately defeat a safety device.
>
> Imagine some sharp lawyer explaining to a sympathetic judge that
> this bad young pup who hates DRL's and thinks he doesn't need
> them because his eyesight is better than superman's (and
> everyone's should be too else they shouldn't be driving)
>
> I cannot believe why anyone would deliberately defeat DRL's...how
> fricking stupid can you get?..[/color]

How stupid? Got any mirrors in your house?
--

- Philip

In article <CfZYd.3633$bh2.3403@fe2.texas.rr.com>,
"Allen L." <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
> > On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
> > <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
> >> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
> >> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
> >>
> >> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
> >> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
> >> anymore.[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
> In news:4hl831p02cme9ep0npk8rks995dpqclaou@4ax.com,
> The Real Tom <Tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com> typed:
>[color=green]
> > IMHO:
> >
> > Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
> > litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
> > imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
> > having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
> > multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
> >
> > Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
> > reading this post. :-P
> >
> > Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
> >
> > later,
> >
> > tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url][/color]
>
> What about in states that don't require you to have them? But, in agreement
> with you, I 'had' a Cadillac and wanted them disabled here in Texas, and the
> dealer said they couldn't *because* they were a 'safety' feature. So your
> statement could be interpreted either way, I presume...by lawyers!!
>
> ...Allen[/color]

yea, and what about when my vehicle came without DRL and I found a way
to enable the feature then decided I did not want it enabled so I
disabled it, am I putting myself in legal jeopardy?

"Stupid is as stupid does" Forrest Gump
--

badgolferman wrote:
[color=blue]
> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a 2000
> Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of course I
> want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>
> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
> anymore.[/color]

???

Isn't it the very old cars that don't have'em?

Just curious, how can DRL annoy the driver? They are visible to drivers
of /other/ vehicles.

Tercel Owner

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:18:58 -0600, dbu <deil@spam.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <CfZYd.3633$bh2.3403@fe2.texas.rr.com>,
> "Allen L." <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
>> > <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
>> >> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
>> >> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>> >>
>> >> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>> >> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>> >> anymore.
>> >
>> >[/color]
>> In news:4hl831p02cme9ep0npk8rks995dpqclaou@4ax.com,
>> The Real Tom <Tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com> typed:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > IMHO:
>> >
>> > Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
>> > litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
>> > imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
>> > having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
>> > multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
>> >
>> > Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
>> > reading this post. :-P
>> >
>> > Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
>> >
>> > later,
>> >
>> > tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url][/color]
>>
>> What about in states that don't require you to have them? But, in agreement
>> with you, I 'had' a Cadillac and wanted them disabled here in Texas, and the
>> dealer said they couldn't *because* they were a 'safety' feature. So your
>> statement could be interpreted either way, I presume...by lawyers!!
>>
>> ...Allen[/color]
>
>yea, and what about when my vehicle came without DRL and I found a way
>to enable the feature then decided I did not want it enabled so I
>disabled it, am I putting myself in legal jeopardy?
>[/color]

I am not a lawyer.

Just saying to the typical jurior(person), could see disabling a
factory installed safety device as a step that put others in danger.

No in your case, they would have to know that you first made your car
'safer' and then made it more 'unsafe' for it to ever be an issue.
:-P

tom
[color=blue]
>"Stupid is as stupid does" Forrest Gump[/color]

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:14:25 GMT, Gord Beaman <gord@islandtelecom.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>The Real Tom <Tom @ www.WorkAtHomePlans.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
>><REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a 2000
>>>Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of course I
>>>want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>>>
>>>I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>>>annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>>>anymore.[/color]
>>
>>
>>IMHO:
>>
>>Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
>>litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
>>imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
>>having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
>>multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
>>
>>Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
>>reading this post. :-P
>>
>>Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
>>
>>later,
>>
>>tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url]
>>
>>[/color]
>Damned right...in these litigation happy times you're asking for
>it when you deliberately defeat a safety device.
>
>Imagine some sharp lawyer explaining to a sympathetic judge that
>this bad young pup who hates DRL's and thinks he doesn't need
>them because his eyesight is better than superman's (and
>everyone's should be too else they shouldn't be driving)
>[/color]

Well, no expert, but DRL are so others can see you.

Quick story. A friend of mine was driving down the road, and an old
lady pulled out of a parking lot and hit him. The cops showed up, and
the lady said my friend had no lights on, and it was dusk(it was
already sunset by the time got there), my friend faught that it was
still daylight when the accident happened. The cop wrote down the
statement, and the observation my friends lights were out. (His car
was currently parked, and the time of the report(now after sunset),
and it later bit my friend. He was found at fault by his insurance
carrier. Although no court case, both drivers had the same insurance
carrier, without collision, he would have been totally responsible for
the repair of his car.

IMHO: Don't mess around with factory installed safety devices.

;)

tom
[color=blue]
>I cannot believe why anyone would deliberately defeat DRL's...how
>fricking stupid can you get?..[/color]

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:13:14 GMT, "Philip"
<1chip-state1@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
[color=blue]
>The Real Tom wrote:[color=green]
>> On 12 Mar 2005 23:02:14 GMT, "badgolferman"
>> <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Is there a simple way of disabling the daytime driving lights of a
>>> 2000 Sienna? I'm hoping a fuse or relay would be all needed. Of
>>> course I want the rest of the headlight system to work.
>>>
>>> I know these are supposed to contribute to safety, but I find them
>>> annoying. Besides, it seems many newer cars don't even have them
>>> anymore.[/color]
>>
>>
>> IMHO:
>>
>> Disabling/defeating any safety device exposes yourself to servere
>> litigation issues. Now you might think, wtf I own nothing, but
>> imagine having any property you come into ownership leans against, and
>> having your wages/pension/retirement garnished 10% till your
>> multimillion lawsuit is paid off. I wouldn't do it.
>>
>> Right now I wouldn't be surprised a few lawyers are drooling now
>> reading this post. :-P
>>
>> Some might be telling you how to do it. ;)
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ [url]www.MedicalJobList.com[/url][/color]
>
>
>Tom: Please cite the law you claim "exposes yourself to severe litigation
>issues".[/color]

I'm sure you're old enough to know the law has almost nothing to do
with civil cases. Breaking of laws just speed up the settling period.
:-P


tom, not a lawyer!

[color=blue]
>
>Considering fewer and fewer vehicles are DRL equipped, so equipping one
>vehicle and not the next is a policy of sorts.[/color]