Paint?

My new 05 Camry XLE was rear-ended and the rear-bumper cover needs to be
replaced. I took it to the dealer and they told me they are going to get a
black OEM rear-bumper and paint it to my car's color (silver) in their body
shop. I thought the outside body color of a car was somehow "deposited" onto
the body parts in the factory through some type of special manufacturing
process. Does that sound right? Is the dealer trying to short-change me on
this?

Thanks for your help!

--
ZR

I had the same thing with my Matrix. The texture on the bumper took a
lot of work at the body shop. A VERY MINOR accident ended up costing
$1400 to fix, most of it paint time.

Mark



XYZ ABC wrote:[color=blue]
> My new 05 Camry XLE was rear-ended and the rear-bumper cover needs to[/color]
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> replaced. I took it to the dealer and they told me they are going to[/color]
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> black OEM rear-bumper and paint it to my car's color (silver) in[/color]
their body[color=blue]
> shop. I thought the outside body color of a car was somehow[/color]
"deposited" onto[color=blue]
> the body parts in the factory through some type of special[/color]
manufacturing[color=blue]
> process. Does that sound right? Is the dealer trying to short-change[/color]
me on[color=blue]
> this?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> --
> ZR[/color]

XYZ ABC wrote:
|| My new 05 Camry XLE was rear-ended and the rear-bumper cover needs
|| to be replaced. I took it to the dealer and they told me they are
|| going to get a black OEM rear-bumper and paint it to my car's color
|| (silver) in their body shop. I thought the outside body color of a
|| car was somehow "deposited" onto the body parts in the factory
|| through some type of special manufacturing process. Does that sound
|| right? Is the dealer trying to short-change me on this?
||
|| Thanks for your help!
||
|| --
|| ZR

My WHITE Camry has black undercoat, black (underneath) bumper cover. So,
everytime there is so much as a TINY nick in the paint, the BLACK underneath
stands out real uglylike. WHY can't they use a LIGHTER undercoast for
lighter coloured vehicles!!!!!???????????????

XYZ ABC wrote:
|| My new 05 Camry XLE was rear-ended and the rear-bumper cover needs
|| to be replaced. I took it to the dealer and they told me they are
|| going to get a black OEM rear-bumper and paint it to my car's color
|| (silver) in their body shop. I thought the outside body color of a
|| car was somehow "deposited" onto the body parts in the factory
|| through some type of special manufacturing process. Does that sound
|| right? Is the dealer trying to short-change me on this?
||
|| Thanks for your help!
||
|| --
|| ZR

My WHITE Camry has black undercoat, black (underneath) bumper cover. So,
everytime there is so much as a TINY nick in the paint, the BLACK underneath
stands out real uglylike. WHY can't they use a LIGHTER undercoast for
lighter coloured vehicles!!!!!???????????????

I think you'll find that all plastic bumpers are black or charcoal clear
thru. On a light car they are usually primed in light grey primer. If the
clear and color coat are scratched surely the primer would be too --- hence
the black showing thru. Factory paint jobs are typically more durable than
refinishes -- they use heat lamps to decrease drying time and make the paint
harder. Some people think they can buy a factory painted bumper bur you
can't --- you can however buy factory painted rear view mirrors.

"Liberal|sarl|airs| !|" <l$#."''...?|<>; <X.XX=@liberalsarllwankers.com>>
wrote in message news:SBI3e.127879$ZO2.22578@edtnps84...[color=blue]
> XYZ ABC wrote:
> || My new 05 Camry XLE was rear-ended and the rear-bumper cover needs
> || to be replaced. I took it to the dealer and they told me they are
> || going to get a black OEM rear-bumper and paint it to my car's color
> || (silver) in their body shop. I thought the outside body color of a
> || car was somehow "deposited" onto the body parts in the factory
> || through some type of special manufacturing process. Does that sound
> || right? Is the dealer trying to short-change me on this?
> ||
> || Thanks for your help!
> ||
> || --
> || ZR
>
> My WHITE Camry has black undercoat, black (underneath) bumper cover. So,
> everytime there is so much as a TINY nick in the paint, the BLACK
> underneath stands out real uglylike. WHY can't they use a LIGHTER
> undercoast for lighter coloured vehicles!!!!!???????????????
>
>
>
>[/color]

"XYZ ABC" <XYZ@abc.com> wrote in message
news:zsD3e.6829$Fh4.3966@fe2.columbus.rr.com...[color=blue]
> My new 05 Camry XLE was rear-ended and the rear-bumper cover needs to be
> replaced. I took it to the dealer and they told me they are going to get a
> black OEM rear-bumper and paint it to my car's color (silver) in their
> body
> shop. I thought the outside body color of a car was somehow "deposited"
> onto
> the body parts in the factory through some type of special manufacturing
> process. Does that sound right? Is the dealer trying to short-change me on
> this?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> --
> ZR
>[/color]
OEM bumper covers for a particular model are all the same color, usually
black but grey in some cases, like the Previa. When a body shop paints a
bumper cover, they add a flex agent to the paint so that it won't crack so
easily so what your dealer's body shop is telling you is correct. By the
way, you should always demand OEM parts for body repairs as their quality is
usually better than aftermarket.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

XYZ ABC wrote:[color=blue]
> My new 05 Camry XLE was rear-ended and the rear-bumper cover needs to be
> replaced. I took it to the dealer and they told me they are going to get a
> black OEM rear-bumper and paint it to my car's color (silver) in their body
> shop. I thought the outside body color of a car was somehow "deposited" onto
> the body parts in the factory through some type of special manufacturing
> process. Does that sound right? Is the dealer trying to short-change me on
> this?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>[/color]
Hi there,

sorry to hear that your new car was damaged.
We went through a similar case with our Sienna. As long as the work is
done by a Toyota dealer or by a body shop that is recommended by a
Toyota dealer, you don't need to worry.
You might see a very slight variation in the cost estimates, but it's
really neglectable. The estimates are made using a software program that
simulates the required work and puts a cost on each task. (This is the
case in all three Toyota body shops I have visited)

Good luck

Wolfgang wrote:[color=blue]
> I think you'll find that all plastic bumpers are black or charcoal clear
> thru. On a light car they are usually primed in light grey primer. If the
> clear and color coat are scratched surely the primer would be too --- hence
> the black showing thru. Factory paint jobs are typically more durable than
> refinishes -- they use heat lamps to decrease drying time and make the paint
> harder.[/color]

On a plastic bumper cover, use of a flex additive is more important that
hardness.

A good body shop can do as well as the factory can.

Barry

Thanks for all the replies. I got an estimate of $700 from a Toyota dealer.
It sounds not bad for me. Besides, they say the cover will have a life time
warranty, which is better than the rest of the car.

The guy who bumped my car says he is going to pay me for the repair and he
does not want me to call his insurance company (for fear of rates hike). I
suspect he does not have inssuance. The cop did not ask him for insurance
card and he just told the cop it's 1-800-safeauto. But he told me (before
the cop came) he doesn't have one for the car he was driving. The cop didn't
even give him a ticket.

I haven't got the payment yet. But the guy looks honest and I hope I can get
the payment. My insurance does cover it. But I'm carrying $1000 deductible.
So I don't want to risk a rate hike for nothing. I may end up paying this
myself.

--
ZR

"XYZ ABC" <XYZ@abc.com> wrote in message
news:zsD3e.6829$Fh4.3966@fe2.columbus.rr.com...[color=blue]
> My new 05 Camry XLE was rear-ended and the rear-bumper cover needs to be
> replaced. I took it to the dealer and they told me they are going to get a
> black OEM rear-bumper and paint it to my car's color (silver) in their[/color]
body[color=blue]
> shop. I thought the outside body color of a car was somehow "deposited"[/color]
onto[color=blue]
> the body parts in the factory through some type of special manufacturing
> process. Does that sound right? Is the dealer trying to short-change me on
> this?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> --
> ZR
>
>[/color]

XYZ ABC wrote:[color=blue]
> Thanks for all the replies. I got an estimate of $700 from a Toyota dealer.
> It sounds not bad for me. Besides, they say the cover will have a life time
> warranty, which is better than the rest of the car.
>
> The guy who bumped my car says he is going to pay me for the repair and he
> does not want me to call his insurance company (for fear of rates hike). I
> suspect he does not have inssuance.[/color]

Take the estimate to him and ask for payment.

You do not have to fix the car before requesting the money. Even if you
choose to not fix the damage, your car has been reduced in value by the
amount of damage.

Barry

B a r r y <balsapilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>XYZ ABC wrote:[color=green]
>> Thanks for all the replies. I got an estimate of $700 from a Toyota dealer.
>> It sounds not bad for me. Besides, they say the cover will have a life time
>> warranty, which is better than the rest of the car.
>>
>> The guy who bumped my car says he is going to pay me for the repair and he
>> does not want me to call his insurance company (for fear of rates hike). I
>> suspect he does not have inssuance.[/color]
>
>Take the estimate to him and ask for payment.
>
>You do not have to fix the car before requesting the money. Even if you
>choose to not fix the damage, your car has been reduced in value by the
>amount of damage.
>
>Barry[/color]

Damned right!...get right on it and be firm with him...the longer
you wait the less chance you have of collecting...be hardnosed,
don't listen to the sob story that you're almost certain to get.
Good luck.
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

"XYZ ABC" <XYZ@abc.com> wrote in message
news:Og04e.8585$Fh4.1441@fe2.columbus.rr.com...[color=blue]
> Thanks for all the replies. I got an estimate of $700 from a Toyota[/color]
dealer.[color=blue]
> It sounds not bad for me. Besides, they say the cover will have a life[/color]
time[color=blue]
> warranty, which is better than the rest of the car.
>
> The guy who bumped my car says he is going to pay me for the repair and he
> does not want me to call his insurance company (for fear of rates hike). I
> suspect he does not have inssuance. The cop did not ask him for insurance
> card and he just told the cop it's 1-800-safeauto. But he told me (before
> the cop came) he doesn't have one for the car he was driving. The cop[/color]
didn't[color=blue]
> even give him a ticket.
>
> I haven't got the payment yet. But the guy looks honest and I hope I can[/color]
get[color=blue]
> the payment. My insurance does cover it. But I'm carrying $1000[/color]
deductible.[color=blue]
> So I don't want to risk a rate hike for nothing. I may end up paying this
> myself.
>
> --
> ZR
>[/color]

i don't know where you live, but make sure you get payment first and then
cash the check. i would also tell him before he writes the check that if
his check bounces, you're going to the police and reporting him. make sure
you get his DL# and address and phone # as well as his plate # on the car
and VIN#. cover your ass and make sure you have no outta pocket expenses,
especially if you need to rent a car for the time it will be int he shop.

mike..............

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:15:47 +0000, B a r r y wrote:
[color=blue]
> Wolfgang wrote:[color=green]
>> I think you'll find that all plastic bumpers are black or charcoal clear
>> thru. On a light car they are usually primed in light grey primer. If the
>> clear and color coat are scratched surely the primer would be too --- hence
>> the black showing thru. Factory paint jobs are typically more durable than
>> refinishes -- they use heat lamps to decrease drying time and make the paint
>> harder.[/color]
>
> On a plastic bumper cover, use of a flex additive is more important that
> hardness.
>
> A good body shop can do as well as the factory can.
>
> Barry[/color]

Exactly what I was thinking. Gotta use a Felx agent, or the paint will
crack and peel from normal driving over the course of a year...

Barry and JerseyMike are right -- getting reimbursed is the first thing
you do. I'd make sure it's some secure form of payment...cash,
cashier's check, something. And make sure every out-of-pocket expense
is reimbursed, including rental.

Whether you get your bumper repaired is up to you. You don't have to --
and you certainly don't have to repair it before the guy pays for the
damage.

Hello,
I've got 35 yrs in the BodyShop business, I'm the Manager of a busy
luxury import Dealership Bodyshop here in Ohio.

I've seen the ole' "I'll pay for it myself" maybe 100 times, only
worked out as it should once that I can remember. So I'd get the $
before starting the Repairs, or you will probably be paying for it
yourself. Please Keep us informed and let us know how it turns out.

FYI we don't use 'flex agent' additive too much anymore, the Catalyzed
Base-coat & Urethane Clear-coat finishes are Very tough, provide great
flexibility, adhesion & amazing resistance to cracking. In my opinion,
equal to the Factory finish.

It should be mentioned that the quality of the primer that comes on the
part is important too. Thats not a concern if you are using genuine
factory parts, and something to be carefull of on aftermarket parts.
Aftermarket parts are not always bad. but sometimes they can be
downright junk! The important thing is to have a repair man / shop that
knows the difference.

When Chosing a shop, one good idea is to look for a shop that uses Name
brand paints. Those include PPG - Dupont - Nexa Auto Color - Speis
heckler- Glassutt (sp?) among others.

TEC