2004 Matrix Sludge

I am told that my engine has sludge at 17,000 miles despite oil
changes. I can not find all of my receipts of my oil changes. Anyone
have any idea how much it would cost to have my engine flushed if they
will not honor my warranty?

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progoddess wrote:
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> I am told that my engine has sludge at 17,000 miles despite oil
> changes. I can not find all of my receipts of my oil changes. Anyone
> have any idea how much it would cost to have my engine flushed if they
> will not honor my warranty?
>
>[/color]

Get ready for the flames. You will be told you did not change your oil
since you have no proof (receipts). If you had it done at Jiffy Lube or
a Toyota dealer, they will have records. You never said how many times
you had you oil changed.

The final questions are: who told you you have sludge and what is the
evidence you have sludge?

Put on your flameproof suit and get ready.

In article <4251C3D9.4090607@yahoo.com>, ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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> progoddess wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I am told that my engine has sludge at 17,000 miles despite oil
> > changes. I can not find all of my receipts of my oil changes. Anyone
> > have any idea how much it would cost to have my engine flushed if they
> > will not honor my warranty?
> >
> >[/color]
>
> Get ready for the flames. You will be told you did not change your oil
> since you have no proof (receipts). If you had it done at Jiffy Lube or
> a Toyota dealer, they will have records. You never said how many times
> you had you oil changed.
>
> The final questions are: who told you you have sludge and what is the
> evidence you have sludge?
>
> Put on your flameproof suit and get ready.[/color]

And I would ask the same questions. For example, at 20000 miles on my
1994 Dodge Caravan I was told I had sludge by a rapid oil change
technican. I changed oil every 3000 miles over the life of the vehicle
and never had any problem with that engine over the 10 years I owned it.
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If your engine is genuinely sludged, you need to take it to a toyota dealer
if you haven't already. Flushing your engine will not correct anything if
oil gel is significant, so stay away from that. Take it to a dealer, have it
looked at, and have a sit down with the service manager and see what he will
do for you. Just because you don't have any reciepts doesn't necessarily
mean Toyota will not help you out to some degree.

Don't pay too much attention to what you hear from the loyalist
in the NG, they are still in denial.

It is well know throughout the industry and Consumer Groups that
Toyota, Chrysler, VW and SAAB have engines that are developing
sludge, despite proper oil changes even at dealerships.

Toyota, VW and SAAB have extended the warranty on those engines.
Chrysler is still holding out however with the poor maintenance
defense of their engines, as Toyotas originally did. They too
will soon come around as has Toyota

As to your Toyota, not to worry. You should not have any
problem. Toyota will "clean, repair, or replace as needed" any
engine where "gelling" is indicated. You need only "affirm that
the oil was changed at least once annually" according to the
information released by Toyota when the warranty was extended in
2003 to eight years unlimited mileage. I would suggest you take
you vehicle to a Toyota dealership. preferably your selling
dealer for whatever fix is needed to yours


mike hunt



dbu' wrote:[color=blue]
>
> In article <4251C3D9.4090607@yahoo.com>, ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > progoddess wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > I am told that my engine has sludge at 17,000 miles despite oil
> > > changes. I can not find all of my receipts of my oil changes. Anyone
> > > have any idea how much it would cost to have my engine flushed if they
> > > will not honor my warranty?
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> > Get ready for the flames. You will be told you did not change your oil
> > since you have no proof (receipts). If you had it done at Jiffy Lube or
> > a Toyota dealer, they will have records. You never said how many times
> > you had you oil changed.
> >
> > The final questions are: who told you you have sludge and what is the
> > evidence you have sludge?
> >
> > Put on your flameproof suit and get ready.[/color]
>
> And I would ask the same questions. For example, at 20000 miles on my
> 1994 Dodge Caravan I was told I had sludge by a rapid oil change
> technican. I changed oil every 3000 miles over the life of the vehicle
> and never had any problem with that engine over the 10 years I owned it.
> --
>[/color]

progoddess wrote:[color=blue]
> I am told that my engine has sludge at 17,000 miles despite oil
> changes. I can not find all of my receipts of my oil changes. Anyone
> have any idea how much it would cost to have my engine flushed if they
> will not honor my warranty?[/color]

You're making this up. April Fools was a few days ago.
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- Philip

"user1676" wrote:[color=blue]
> progoddess wrote:[color=green]
> > I am told that my engine has sludge at 17,000 miles despite[/color]
> oil[color=green]
> > changes. I can not find all of my receipts of my oil[/color]
> changes. Anyone[color=green]
> > have any idea how much it would cost to have my engine[/color]
> flushed if they[color=green]
> > will not honor my warranty?[/color]
>
> You're making this up. April Fools was a few days ago.
> --
>
> - Philip[/color]

Oh it’s true. they will not honor my warranty. and the unlimited miles
warranty against sludge isn’t for my engine model.

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progoddess wrote:
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> "user1676" wrote:[color=green]
> > progoddess wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > I am told that my engine has sludge at 17,000 miles despite[/color]
> > oil[color=darkred]
> > > changes. I can not find all of my receipts of my oil[/color]
> > changes. Anyone[color=darkred]
> > > have any idea how much it would cost to have my engine[/color]
> > flushed if they[color=darkred]
> > > will not honor my warranty?[/color]
> >
> > You're making this up. April Fools was a few days ago.
> > --
> >
> > - Philip[/color]
>
> Oh it's true. they will not honor my warranty. and the unlimited miles
> warranty against sludge isn't for my engine model.
>
>[/color]

We still do not have the answers to the two questions:
1. Who said you have sludge? Your response is "they will not honor my
warranty" - who is "they"? We can assume it is someone a Toyota dealer,
but who? Which dealer?
2. What evidence was presented to say you have sludge?

progoddess wrote:[color=blue]
> "user1676" wrote:[color=green]
>> progoddess wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I am told that my engine has sludge at 17,000 miles despite[/color]
>> oil[color=darkred]
>>> changes. I can not find all of my receipts of my oil[/color]
>> changes. Anyone[color=darkred]
>>> have any idea how much it would cost to have my engine[/color]
>> flushed if they[color=darkred]
>>> will not honor my warranty?[/color]
>>
>> You're making this up. April Fools was a few days ago.
>> --
>>
>> - Philip[/color]
>
> Oh it's true. they will not honor my warranty. and the unlimited miles
> warranty against sludge isn't for my engine model.[/color]

They are not responsible for what you did ... assuming ... a defect in
materials or worksmanship is not discovered. On the face of it, I'm NOT
BUYING that you actually did proper oil services. BZZZZZZZT
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- Philip

[email]IleneDover@mailcity.com[/email] wrote:
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> Don't pay too much attention to what you hear from the loyalist
> in the NG, they are still in denial.[/color]




First step in problem resolution - verify the problem. The OP has not
identified WHO said there is sludge and what evidence supports the claim
of sludge.

[color=blue]
>
> It is well know throughout the industry and Consumer Groups that
> Toyota, Chrysler, VW and SAAB have engines that are developing
> sludge, despite proper oil changes even at dealerships.
>
> Toyota, VW and SAAB have extended the warranty on those engines.
> Chrysler is still holding out however with the poor maintenance
> defense of their engines, as Toyotas originally did. They too
> will soon come around as has Toyota
>
> As to your Toyota, not to worry. You should not have any
> problem. Toyota will "clean, repair, or replace as needed" any
> engine where "gelling" is indicated. You need only "affirm that
> the oil was changed at least once annually" according to the
> information released by Toyota when the warranty was extended in
> 2003 to eight years unlimited mileage. I would suggest you take
> you vehicle to a Toyota dealership. preferably your selling
> dealer for whatever fix is needed to yours
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
> dbu' wrote:
>[color=green]
>>In article <4251C3D9.4090607@yahoo.com>, ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>progoddess wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am told that my engine has sludge at 17,000 miles despite oil
>>>>changes. I can not find all of my receipts of my oil changes. Anyone
>>>>have any idea how much it would cost to have my engine flushed if they
>>>>will not honor my warranty?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Get ready for the flames. You will be told you did not change your oil
>>>since you have no proof (receipts). If you had it done at Jiffy Lube or
>>>a Toyota dealer, they will have records. You never said how many times
>>>you had you oil changed.
>>>
>>>The final questions are: who told you you have sludge and what is the
>>>evidence you have sludge?
>>>
>>>Put on your flameproof suit and get ready.
>>>[/color]
>>And I would ask the same questions. For example, at 20000 miles on my
>>1994 Dodge Caravan I was told I had sludge by a rapid oil change
>>technican. I changed oil every 3000 miles over the life of the vehicle
>>and never had any problem with that engine over the 10 years I owned it.
>>--
>>
>>[/color][/color]

I will ask the same question that has been asked before: Who diagnosed
your car with oil gel? Also, I would like to correct information
posted by someone else earlier: Toyota currently does not have a
warranty extension. What Toyota has is a program for some engines in
the late '90s. Regardlesss, I know that they are currently looking
into all cars that are relatively new.

First, you need a Toyota dealer to diagnose the car as being oil gel.
Then they will need to tear down the engine to determine the cause of
it. I've seen gelled engines before and you can always tell if the oil
was replaced or not. If you have been replacing your oil periodically
(every 5k miles), you should be OK. Please keep in mind that you will
be responsible for paying for the tear down and any towing fees unless
Toyota offers some type of assistance. In this case, you may be
responsible for nothing.

Good luck!