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Old 04-04-2005, 07:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
Anton Spaans
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Avalon 1997: Timing Belt replacement?

Hello,

I have a question about when to replace the timing belt on my 1997 Avalong
XLS. Currently there is 72.000 miles on the odometer.
I've been searching the groups on Google, asked the toyota dealer and i've
found conflicting answers.

I read my owner's manual and i checked on Toyota's web-site and found this:
See
[url]http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/pdfs/auto_service_97_41.pdf[/url]
(it says to replace at 60.000 miles only under severe conditions)

And page 37 on this PDF:
[url]http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/pdfs/auto_service_97.pdf[/url]
(description of these severe conditions: When your car is used as taxi,
pick-up delivery, etc)

My car does not serve as a taxi, pick-up/delivery car, etc. I use it mostly
for my 25miles commute to work (90% highway driving). So, it seems that my
timing belt needs replacing around 90.000 miles.

But the dealer says it should be replaced at 60.000 miles.

Who is right? The dealer or my owner's manual?

Thank you very much!
-- Anton Spaans.






 
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Avalon 1997: Timing Belt replacement?

I did a pretty good inspection on a 98 Avalon that I didn't buy from a
Toyota dealer. It was a one owner with 100,000 miles and the belt had not
been replaced. I called several indy shops and all said it didn't need it
till about a 120,000 miles, one shop said he wouldn't do because they didn't
like working on the 6 cylinder engine but would be glad to do a 4. The
dealer's service manager recommended doing it right away for $360.00. The
dealer's used car dept. refused to have their service department do it but
would reduce the purchase price by $360.00. When I asked them why they
wouldn't they gave me a bunch of double talk that implied they would have
warranthy issues. After thinking it over for a while I decided not to make
the purchase because they wouldn't do the belt. I assumed they didn't want
to because other issues might show up and that would eat up their profits.
But if I did it, I would have to shoulder the risk and I'll bet they would
have found other issues to run up the bill.
Do some checking but I think you'll be safe to about 100,000. Why waste the
time and money, the engine is a non-interference design so belt failure
will not drive pistons into the valves. It sounds like stop and go is hard
on belts and you don't do that so if your an educated gambler you can take
an educated risk.
I'm curious if you've had many problems with the car? How about the front
end? I'm still looking for a good one, let me know if you see one.

--

73
Hank WD5JFR
"Anton Spaans" <aspaans at(noSPAM) smarttime dot(noSPAM) com> wrote in
message news:5f2dnbtAkfrMSMzfRVn-jw@speakeasy.net...[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
> I have a question about when to replace the timing belt on my 1997 Avalong
> XLS. Currently there is 72.000 miles on the odometer.
> I've been searching the groups on Google, asked the toyota dealer and i've
> found conflicting answers.
>
> I read my owner's manual and i checked on Toyota's web-site and found
> this:
> See
> [url]http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/pdfs/auto_service_97_41.pdf[/url]
> (it says to replace at 60.000 miles only under severe conditions)
>
> And page 37 on this PDF:
> [url]http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/pdfs/auto_service_97.pdf[/url]
> (description of these severe conditions: When your car is used as taxi,
> pick-up delivery, etc)
>
> My car does not serve as a taxi, pick-up/delivery car, etc. I use it
> mostly
> for my 25miles commute to work (90% highway driving). So, it seems that my
> timing belt needs replacing around 90.000 miles.
>
> But the dealer says it should be replaced at 60.000 miles.
>
> Who is right? The dealer or my owner's manual?
>
> Thank you very much!
> -- Anton Spaans.
>
>
>
>
>
>[/color]


 
Old 04-05-2005, 09:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Avalon 1997: Timing Belt replacement?

The manual for my 2000 Avalon indicates it should be changed at 90K. Henry
may be right and you could drive the thing for many more miles on the
original belt but having been stranded twice in Camrys (actually my wife was
the one stranded) with broken belts, I would get it changed. On the four
cylinder Camry I changed the water pump at the same time and replaced the
drive belts. You'll have peace of mind and the car will seem to run better
(just like it does after you wash and wax it!). Good luck.
jor

"Anton Spaans" <aspaans at(noSPAM) smarttime dot(noSPAM) com> wrote in
message news:5f2dnbtAkfrMSMzfRVn-jw@speakeasy.net...[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
> I have a question about when to replace the timing belt on my 1997 Avalong
> XLS. Currently there is 72.000 miles on the odometer.
> I've been searching the groups on Google, asked the toyota dealer and i've
> found conflicting answers.
>
> I read my owner's manual and i checked on Toyota's web-site and found
> this:
> See
> [url]http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/pdfs/auto_service_97_41.pdf[/url]
> (it says to replace at 60.000 miles only under severe conditions)
>
> And page 37 on this PDF:
> [url]http://smg.toyotapartsandservice.com/pdfs/auto_service_97.pdf[/url]
> (description of these severe conditions: When your car is used as taxi,
> pick-up delivery, etc)
>
> My car does not serve as a taxi, pick-up/delivery car, etc. I use it
> mostly
> for my 25miles commute to work (90% highway driving). So, it seems that my
> timing belt needs replacing around 90.000 miles.
>
> But the dealer says it should be replaced at 60.000 miles.
>
> Who is right? The dealer or my owner's manual?
>
> Thank you very much!
> -- Anton Spaans.
>
>
>
>
>
>[/color]


 
Old 04-05-2005, 09:27 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Avalon 1997: Timing Belt replacement?

"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:%Uw4e.1839$3z3.1325@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
[color=blue]
> I'm curious if you've had many problems with the car? How about the
> front end? I'm still looking for a good one, let me know if you see
> one.[/color]

My '97 now has 46,000 miles and after reading pros and cons I'm just
going to let the belt replacement slide as long as I can. I had a
complete physical done on it at the dealer a few months ago, letting them
gig me for $500 or so but doing lots of flushing, plugging, lubing,
injecting, battery, etc. and it runs really nice now.

Only problems I ever had was the front struts squeaking, dealer never
replaced anything, only lubed them which didn't last. Headlights
flickered for about 6 months at speed then went away. Aligned 3 times.
Dash lights got very dim, so I decided to replace all the lights in the
car, every one of them except dash. Amazingly dash lights afterwards are
back to normal brightness. Sometimes it takes a few turns of the starter
to get going but it's done that since new.

Other than that just a couple of squeaks and rattles, gets 20ish in town,
33-35 on the road.

Time for new tires, shocks as it's riding hard now but uncertain which
direction to go there, so much conflicting information. I just want to
find a place that I can drive in and drive out done and riding smooth and
quiet. Not easy with the Avalon unless it's the dealer$$$$.
 
Old 04-05-2005, 10:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Avalon 1997: Timing Belt replacement?

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:03:39 GMT, "Henry Kolesnik"
<kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>I did a pretty good inspection on a 98 Avalon that I didn't buy from a
>Toyota dealer. It was a one owner with 100,000 miles and the belt had not
>been replaced. I called several indy shops and all said it didn't need it
>till about a 120,000 miles, one shop said he wouldn't do because they didn't
>like working on the 6 cylinder engine but would be glad to do a 4. The
>dealer's service manager recommended doing it right away for $360.00. The
>dealer's used car dept. refused to have their service department do it but
>would reduce the purchase price by $360.00. When I asked them why they
>wouldn't they gave me a bunch of double talk that implied they would have
>warranthy issues. After thinking it over for a while I decided not to make
>the purchase because they wouldn't do the belt. I assumed they didn't want
>to because other issues might show up and that would eat up their profits.
>But if I did it, I would have to shoulder the risk and I'll bet they would
>have found other issues to run up the bill.
>Do some checking but I think you'll be safe to about 100,000. Why waste the
>time and money, the engine is a non-interference design so belt failure
>will not drive pistons into the valves. It sounds like stop and go is hard
>on belts and you don't do that so if your an educated gambler you can take
>an educated risk.
>I'm curious if you've had many problems with the car? How about the front
>end? I'm still looking for a good one, let me know if you see one.[/color]

Why don't you get together with Art on here.

He hates his Avalon cause it squeaks, but it is a very low mileage
car.

I suspect he has taken good care of his car so I wouldn't mind having
his car myself <g>.
--
Scott in Florida
 
Old 04-05-2005, 10:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Avalon 1997: Timing Belt replacement?

>"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:%Uw4e.1839$3z3.1325@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...[color=blue]
> I did a pretty good inspection on a 98 Avalon that I didn't buy from a
> Toyota dealer. It was a one owner with 100,000 miles and the belt had not
> been replaced. I called several indy shops and all said it didn't need it
> till about a 120,000 miles, one shop said he wouldn't do because they[/color]
didn't[color=blue]
> like working on the 6 cylinder engine but would be glad to do a 4. The
> dealer's service manager recommended doing it right away for $360.00. The
> dealer's used car dept. refused to have their service department do it but
> would reduce the purchase price by $360.00. When I asked them why they
> wouldn't they gave me a bunch of double talk that implied they would have
> warranthy issues. After thinking it over for a while I decided not to[/color]
make[color=blue]
> the purchase because they wouldn't do the belt. I assumed they didn't[/color]
want[color=blue]
> to because other issues might show up and that would eat up their profits.
> But if I did it, I would have to shoulder the risk and I'll bet they would
> have found other issues to run up the bill.
> Do some checking but I think you'll be safe to about 100,000. Why waste[/color]
the[color=blue]
> time and money, the engine is a non-interference design so belt failure
> will not drive pistons into the valves. It sounds like stop and go is[/color]
hard[color=blue]
> on belts and you don't do that so if your an educated gambler you can take
> an educated risk.
> I'm curious if you've had many problems with the car? How about the front
> end? I'm still looking for a good one, let me know if you see one.
>
> --
>[/color]

I don't have had as many problems with my car as the other poster 'Unk'. No
starting problems whatsoever, in warm or cold weather (i'm from Boston).

Also, like Unk's, my front-struts were squeaking... they were replaced (cost
about $500 in total). Of course, that happened *just* when the 3 years
extended warranty was up (i bought my Avalon second-hand)!

The rest was just routine maintenance (brake pads, fluid replacements,
inspections, etc) issues.

Only one thing now: My powersteering rack needs to be replaced at some
point. It leaks from the seals on the driver's side. But as long as you keep
the powersteering fluid up to level, nothing can go wrong. But at some
point, i need it replaced, i think. :) This seems to be a common problem
among Avalons... (did a search on the Net).

I think i'll replace the belt (& waterpump, since they're doing that amount
of work anyway...) at 90000 miles then and have them inspect the belt at
the next maintenance.

Thanks!



 
Old 04-05-2005, 10:40 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Avalon 1997: Timing Belt replacement?

Scott
Art who?
Got an address?

--

73
Hank WD5JFR
"Scott in Florida" <NotInTheNextLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote in message
news:m3a5519qnugq0a2nff2drfgrplb8mgmur7@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:03:39 GMT, "Henry Kolesnik"
> <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I did a pretty good inspection on a 98 Avalon that I didn't buy from a
>>Toyota dealer. It was a one owner with 100,000 miles and the belt had not
>>been replaced. I called several indy shops and all said it didn't need it
>>till about a 120,000 miles, one shop said he wouldn't do because they
>>didn't
>>like working on the 6 cylinder engine but would be glad to do a 4. The
>>dealer's service manager recommended doing it right away for $360.00. The
>>dealer's used car dept. refused to have their service department do it but
>>would reduce the purchase price by $360.00. When I asked them why they
>>wouldn't they gave me a bunch of double talk that implied they would have
>>warranthy issues. After thinking it over for a while I decided not to
>>make
>>the purchase because they wouldn't do the belt. I assumed they didn't
>>want
>>to because other issues might show up and that would eat up their profits.
>>But if I did it, I would have to shoulder the risk and I'll bet they would
>>have found other issues to run up the bill.
>>Do some checking but I think you'll be safe to about 100,000. Why waste
>>the
>>time and money, the engine is a non-interference design so belt failure
>>will not drive pistons into the valves. It sounds like stop and go is
>>hard
>>on belts and you don't do that so if your an educated gambler you can take
>>an educated risk.
>>I'm curious if you've had many problems with the car? How about the front
>>end? I'm still looking for a good one, let me know if you see one.[/color]
>
> Why don't you get together with Art on here.
>
> He hates his Avalon cause it squeaks, but it is a very low mileage
> car.
>
> I suspect he has taken good care of his car so I wouldn't mind having
> his car myself <g>.
> --
> Scott in Florida[/color]


 
Old 04-05-2005, 05:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Avalon 1997: Timing Belt replacement?

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:40:04 GMT, "Henry Kolesnik"
<kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Scott
>Art who?
>Got an address?[/color]

Art Begun is his name.

I'm sure he will answer here.

He lives in North Carolina.


--
Scott in Florida
 
Old 04-07-2005, 12:12 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Avalon 1997: Timing Belt replacement?

Toyota requires that you replace your timing belt at 90k miles. If the
dealer is telling to replace it at 60k, do they have any reason for
this? If the belt looks worn, I would have it replaced, no questions
asked. If for some reason it were to break, you are no longer under
warranty. The cost of replacing the belt is way lower than the damage
that could be caused to your car otherwise... $300 versus $4000. Also,
if you do decide to replace the timing belt, consider replacing the
water pump as well, since they will have to remove it to access the
belt.

Hope this helps.

 
Old 04-07-2005, 11:39 AM   #10 (permalink)
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The belt can't be inspected without major work, same as replacing. This is
a non-interference engine. The valves won't hit the pistons when the belt
breaks. Water pump should not have to be changed if antifreeze was changed
regularly and it doesn't leak.

--

73
Hank WD5JFR
"ggal" <galubiv@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Toyota requires that you replace your timing belt at 90k miles. If the
> dealer is telling to replace it at 60k, do they have any reason for
> this? If the belt looks worn, I would have it replaced, no questions
> asked. If for some reason it were to break, you are no longer under
> warranty. The cost of replacing the belt is way lower than the damage
> that could be caused to your car otherwise... $300 versus $4000. Also,
> if you do decide to replace the timing belt, consider replacing the
> water pump as well, since they will have to remove it to access the
> belt.
>
> Hope this helps.
>[/color]


 
Old 04-07-2005, 12:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
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"ggal" <galubiv@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1112850743.879118.198280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Toyota requires that you replace your timing belt at 90k miles. If the
> dealer is telling to replace it at 60k, do they have any reason for
> this? If the belt looks worn, I would have it replaced, no questions
> asked. If for some reason it were to break, you are no longer under
> warranty. The cost of replacing the belt is way lower than the damage
> that could be caused to your car otherwise... $300 versus $4000. Also,
> if you do decide to replace the timing belt, consider replacing the
> water pump as well, since they will have to remove it to access the
> belt.
>
> Hope this helps.
>[/color]

Hi ggal,
When i scheduled my 60.000 miles scheduled-maintenance, the dealer said
that i should to replace the timing-belt as well.
I said that the owner's manual states that that is not necessary at 60.000
miles. Instead, i asked them to take a quick look at the belt when they
would be doing the major scheduled-maintenance. If the belt would look
suspicious, i asked them to call me back in order to (maybe) schedule a
timing-belt replacement as well.

The scheduled-maintenance was done without any call from dealer about the
timing-belt. It looked fine, they said (as far as they could see without
doing major extra work)... but they still said that it was 'common pratice'
to replace it at 60000 miles.... ah well.

Nope, non-interference engine: The worst that can happen is that my car
would stop in the middle of the highway or in the middle of nowhere :=)

-- Anton.


 
Old 04-07-2005, 02:10 PM   #12 (permalink)
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How can they look at the timing belt without major work?

"Anton Spaans" <aspaans at(noSPAM) smarttime dot(noSPAM) com> wrote in
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>
> "ggal" <galubiv@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1112850743.879118.198280@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> Toyota requires that you replace your timing belt at 90k miles. If the
>> dealer is telling to replace it at 60k, do they have any reason for
>> this? If the belt looks worn, I would have it replaced, no questions
>> asked. If for some reason it were to break, you are no longer under
>> warranty. The cost of replacing the belt is way lower than the damage
>> that could be caused to your car otherwise... $300 versus $4000. Also,
>> if you do decide to replace the timing belt, consider replacing the
>> water pump as well, since they will have to remove it to access the
>> belt.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>[/color]
>
> Hi ggal,
> When i scheduled my 60.000 miles scheduled-maintenance, the dealer said
> that i should to replace the timing-belt as well.
> I said that the owner's manual states that that is not necessary at 60.000
> miles. Instead, i asked them to take a quick look at the belt when they
> would be doing the major scheduled-maintenance. If the belt would look
> suspicious, i asked them to call me back in order to (maybe) schedule a
> timing-belt replacement as well.
>
> The scheduled-maintenance was done without any call from dealer about the
> timing-belt. It looked fine, they said (as far as they could see without
> doing major extra work)... but they still said that it was 'common
> pratice'
> to replace it at 60000 miles.... ah well.
>
> Nope, non-interference engine: The worst that can happen is that my car
> would stop in the middle of the highway or in the middle of nowhere :=)
>
> -- Anton.
>
>[/color]


 
Old 04-07-2005, 05:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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[color=blue]
>"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message[/color]
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> How can they look at the timing belt without major work?[/color]

They inspected it during my major 60.000 miles scheduled maintenance (costed
me $450). I don't know how they did it, but i guess they can take a quick
peek at it...?


 
Old 04-11-2005, 11:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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If there doesn't seem to be any apparent damage to it, you should be
OK. Toyota recommends replacement @ 90k miles.

 
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