OT: Conservative Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) Endorses Violence Against Judges

John Cornyn, religious zealot and Republican Senator from Texas,
recently gave a speech on the Senate floor where he excused the murder
and violent intimidation of Federal Court Judges and "Activist
Jurists", stating

"I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we have
seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. . . .


And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the
perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are making
political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds
up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage
in, engage in violence.

Certainly without any justification, but a concern that I have."

Sen. Cornyn offered this explanation for the recent murder of a Chicago
Federal Judge's husband and mother, as well as for the shooting of a
judge in Atlanta.

This message coincided with DeLay's threat to judges in a recent
Florida case, namely that "The time will come for the men responsible
for this to answer for their behavior."

One hopes that the obvious conclusion is false. A cursory read of
these statements lead many to believe as Ralph G. Neas, president of
People for the American Way does, namely that Cornyn, "like Tom DeLay,
should know better. These kinds of statements are irresponsible and
could be seen by some as justifying inexcusable conduct against our
courts."

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee called the senator's
remarks "an astounding account of the recent spate of violence against
judges, suggesting that the crimes could be attributed to the fact that
judges are 'unaccountable' to the public."

Neocons, when all else fails is it truly acceptable to commit violence
against the Judiciary to "hold them accountable for their decisions"?
Tom DeLay and John Cornyn think so.

Now I ask, why in the hell would anyone want to associate themselves
with an organization, party, or committee that advocates violence
against judges as a method of "holding them accountable"?


CITE
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26236-2005Apr4.html>

There was no "endorsement" of violence against judges. Either you are
incapable of comprehending the article you cited or you are an outright
liar. The article specifically said that "Cornyn, who spoke in a
nearly empty chamber, did not specify cases of violence against
judges."

Also, you forgot to mention that Cornyn is a former member of the Texas
Supreme Court and a Judiciary Committee member. How convenient.

Picking bits and pieces of an article and then mixing in your own
biased commentary is dishonest but not surprising from the likes of
you. Unfortunately for you some of us can actually read.

Mark


Learning Richard wrote:[color=blue]
> John Cornyn, religious zealot and Republican Senator from Texas,
> recently gave a speech on the Senate floor where he excused the[/color]
murder[color=blue]
> and violent intimidation of Federal Court Judges and "Activist
> Jurists", stating
>
> "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we have
> seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. . .[/color]
..[color=blue]
>
>
> And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the
> perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are[/color]
making[color=blue]
> political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it[/color]
builds[color=blue]
> up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage
> in, engage in violence.
>
> Certainly without any justification, but a concern that I have."
>
> Sen. Cornyn offered this explanation for the recent murder of a[/color]
Chicago[color=blue]
> Federal Judge's husband and mother, as well as for the shooting of a
> judge in Atlanta.
>
> This message coincided with DeLay's threat to judges in a recent
> Florida case, namely that "The time will come for the men responsible
> for this to answer for their behavior."
>
> One hopes that the obvious conclusion is false. A cursory read of
> these statements lead many to believe as Ralph G. Neas, president of
> People for the American Way does, namely that Cornyn, "like Tom[/color]
DeLay,[color=blue]
> should know better. These kinds of statements are irresponsible and
> could be seen by some as justifying inexcusable conduct against our
> courts."
>
> The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee called the senator's
> remarks "an astounding account of the recent spate of violence[/color]
against[color=blue]
> judges, suggesting that the crimes could be attributed to the fact[/color]
that[color=blue]
> judges are 'unaccountable' to the public."
>
> Neocons, when all else fails is it truly acceptable to commit[/color]
violence[color=blue]
> against the Judiciary to "hold them accountable for their decisions"?
> Tom DeLay and John Cornyn think so.
>
> Now I ask, why in the hell would anyone want to associate themselves
> with an organization, party, or committee that advocates violence
> against judges as a method of "holding them accountable"?
>
>
> CITE
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26236-2005Apr4.html>[/color]

Mark wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Learning Richard wrote:[color=green]
> > John Cornyn, religious zealot and Republican Senator from Texas,
> > recently gave a speech on the Senate floor where he excused the[/color]
> murder[color=green]
> > and violent intimidation of Federal Court Judges and "Activist
> > Jurists", stating
> >
> > "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we[/color][/color]
have[color=blue][color=green]
> > seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. .[/color][/color]
..[color=blue]
> .[color=green]
> >
> >
> > And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the
> > perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are[/color]
> making[color=green]
> > political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it[/color]
> builds[color=green]
> > up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people[/color][/color]
engage[color=blue][color=green]
> > in, engage in violence.
> >
> > Certainly without any justification, but a concern that I have."
> >
> > Sen. Cornyn offered this explanation for the recent murder of a[/color]
> Chicago[color=green]
> > Federal Judge's husband and mother, as well as for the shooting of[/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green]
> > judge in Atlanta.
> >
> > This message coincided with DeLay's threat to judges in a recent
> > Florida case, namely that "The time will come for the men[/color][/color]
responsible[color=blue][color=green]
> > for this to answer for their behavior."
> >
> > One hopes that the obvious conclusion is false. A cursory read of
> > these statements lead many to believe as Ralph G. Neas, president[/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green]
> > People for the American Way does, namely that Cornyn, "like Tom[/color]
> DeLay,[color=green]
> > should know better. These kinds of statements are irresponsible and
> > could be seen by some as justifying inexcusable conduct against our
> > courts."
> >
> > The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee called the senator's
> > remarks "an astounding account of the recent spate of violence[/color]
> against[color=green]
> > judges, suggesting that the crimes could be attributed to the fact[/color]
> that[color=green]
> > judges are 'unaccountable' to the public."
> >
> > Neocons, when all else fails is it truly acceptable to commit[/color]
> violence[color=green]
> > against the Judiciary to "hold them accountable for their[/color][/color]
decisions"?[color=blue][color=green]
> > Tom DeLay and John Cornyn think so.
> >
> > Now I ask, why in the hell would anyone want to associate[/color][/color]
themselves[color=blue][color=green]
> > with an organization, party, or committee that advocates violence
> > against judges as a method of "holding them accountable"?
> >
> >
> > CITE
> >[/color][/color]
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26236-2005Apr4.html>[color=blue]
> There was no "endorsement" of violence against judges. Either you[/color]
are[color=blue]
> incapable of comprehending the article you cited or you are an[/color]
outright[color=blue]
> liar. The article specifically said that "Cornyn, who spoke in a
> nearly empty chamber, did not specify cases of violence against
> judges."
>
> Also, you forgot to mention that Cornyn is a former member of the[/color]
Texas[color=blue]
> Supreme Court and a Judiciary Committee member. How convenient.
>
> Picking bits and pieces of an article and then mixing in your own
> biased commentary is dishonest but not surprising from the likes of
> you. Unfortunately for you some of us can actually read.
>
> Mark
>[/color]

Quote from Sen. Cornyn, again, for Mark's edification:

<quote>
And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the
perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are
making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public,
that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point
where some people engage in, engage in violence.
</quote>


Not only is that a tacit endorsement of violence against "Activist
Judges", the Senator also provides an excuse for why his constituent
neocons threaten judges, jurors, and any citizens that disagree with
their radical, ultra-conservative ideals.

If that isn't good enough for you Mark, let me quote for you again Tom
DeLay's threat to the Judiciary:

<quote>
"The time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for
their behavior."
</quote>

That _is_ a threat.

Thankfully, support is continuing to erode in the USA for the Neocon's
Reactionary, Fear and Hate-based agenda.


Richard
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[url]www.xdnc.com[/url]

Rationalization would be a better characterization and it is still sickening
rightwing rhetoric.


"Mark" <markpippin@email.com> wrote in message
news:1112804703.859693.57720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> There was no "endorsement" of violence against judges. Either you are
> incapable of comprehending the article you cited or you are an outright
> liar. The article specifically said that "Cornyn, who spoke in a
> nearly empty chamber, did not specify cases of violence against
> judges."
>
> Also, you forgot to mention that Cornyn is a former member of the Texas
> Supreme Court and a Judiciary Committee member. How convenient.
>
> Picking bits and pieces of an article and then mixing in your own
> biased commentary is dishonest but not surprising from the likes of
> you. Unfortunately for you some of us can actually read.
>
> Mark
>
>
> Learning Richard wrote:[color=green]
>> John Cornyn, religious zealot and Republican Senator from Texas,
>> recently gave a speech on the Senate floor where he excused the[/color]
> murder[color=green]
>> and violent intimidation of Federal Court Judges and "Activist
>> Jurists", stating
>>
>> "I don't know if there is a cause-and-effect connection, but we have
>> seen some recent episodes of courthouse violence in this country. . .[/color]
> .[color=green]
>>
>>
>> And I wonder whether there may be some connection between the
>> perception in some quarters, on some occasions, where judges are[/color]
> making[color=green]
>> political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it[/color]
> builds[color=green]
>> up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people engage
>> in, engage in violence.
>>
>> Certainly without any justification, but a concern that I have."
>>
>> Sen. Cornyn offered this explanation for the recent murder of a[/color]
> Chicago[color=green]
>> Federal Judge's husband and mother, as well as for the shooting of a
>> judge in Atlanta.
>>
>> This message coincided with DeLay's threat to judges in a recent
>> Florida case, namely that "The time will come for the men responsible
>> for this to answer for their behavior."
>>
>> One hopes that the obvious conclusion is false. A cursory read of
>> these statements lead many to believe as Ralph G. Neas, president of
>> People for the American Way does, namely that Cornyn, "like Tom[/color]
> DeLay,[color=green]
>> should know better. These kinds of statements are irresponsible and
>> could be seen by some as justifying inexcusable conduct against our
>> courts."
>>
>> The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee called the senator's
>> remarks "an astounding account of the recent spate of violence[/color]
> against[color=green]
>> judges, suggesting that the crimes could be attributed to the fact[/color]
> that[color=green]
>> judges are 'unaccountable' to the public."
>>
>> Neocons, when all else fails is it truly acceptable to commit[/color]
> violence[color=green]
>> against the Judiciary to "hold them accountable for their decisions"?
>> Tom DeLay and John Cornyn think so.
>>
>> Now I ask, why in the hell would anyone want to associate themselves
>> with an organization, party, or committee that advocates violence
>> against judges as a method of "holding them accountable"?
>>
>>
>> CITE
>> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26236-2005Apr4.html>[/color]
>[/color]

Your first paragraph left out the remainder of his quote - "Certainly
without any justification, but a concern that I have." _Again_ you
choose only the words that benefit (to your way of thinking) your
leftist agenda.

The senator is eminently qualified to comment on what he perceives to
be gross abuse of the Judiciary's power. Holding people personally
accountable for their actions and decisions is a concept the Left has
yet to grasp.

You are an intellectually dishonest fabricator, pure and simple.

Mark wrote:[color=blue]
> Your first paragraph left out the remainder of his quote - "Certainly
> without any justification, but a concern that I have."[/color]

Of course he said that man! Otherwise it would be so obvious that he
was justifying killing judges that even the neocons would have to
agree.
[color=blue]
> _Again_ you choose only the words that benefit (to your way of[/color]
thinking)[color=blue]
> your leftist agenda.[/color]

This is unfortunately a time where there's so much material to prove my
point that I hardly know where to start. I certainly don't need to
mangle words.
[color=blue]
>
> The senator is eminently qualified to comment on what he perceives to
> be gross abuse of the Judiciary's power.[/color]

Why? Because he was a Judge? Would you consult with Pinochet or
Saddam Hussein on matters of governing a country? After all, they were
both leaders of countries for many years.
[color=blue]
> Holding people personally
> accountable for their actions and decisions is a concept the Left has
> yet to grasp.[/color]


Yeah -- I don't grasp the concept of threatening and killing judges.
Call me a tree hugger.

Tricameral government is a concept the Neocons (note I say neocons, not
"The Right" or "The Republicans") never grasped.
[color=blue]
>
> You are an intellectually dishonest fabricator, pure and simple.[/color]

well put.

Richard
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[url]www.xdnc.com[/url]

"Mark" <markpippin@email.com> wrote in message
news:1112809157.290438.98800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Holding people personally
> accountable for their actions and decisions is a concept the Left has
> yet to grasp.[/color]

No? Let's start shall we? Lets fire Tom Delay, George Bush, KKKarl Rove,
Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice and Cheney, that should be a decent start to
holding people accountable for their actions.

Oh but yeah, the righties did put the pressure on Dan Rather, I guess that's
what they consider holding people accountable, lets not forget wasting
Americas time and money on the Clinton 'scandle' Just another form of
righties grasping for straws.

Josh wrote:
:: "Mark" <markpippin@email.com> wrote in message
:: news:1112809157.290438.98800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
::: Holding people personally
::: accountable for their actions and decisions is a concept the Left
::: has yet to grasp.
::
:: No? Let's start shall we? Lets fire Tom Delay, George Bush, KKKarl
:: Rove, Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice and Cheney, that should be a decent
:: start to holding people accountable for their actions.
::
:: Oh but yeah, the righties did put the pressure on Dan Rather, I
:: guess that's what they consider holding people accountable, lets not
:: forget wasting Americas time and money on the Clinton 'scandle' Just
:: another form of righties grasping for straws.

Easy. You're not supposed to take _any_ of this seriously. Really.