Another Toyota NG?

Is there another Toyota newsgroup that doesn't contain so much OT crap? Or
is this OT just a Toyota-owners "thing?"

mdrawson wrote:[color=blue]
> Is there another Toyota newsgroup that doesn't contain so much OT[/color]
crap? Or[color=blue]
> is this OT just a Toyota-owners "thing?"[/color]

My first Toyota was a 1977 Corolla wagon. Green with wood panelling.
Loved it. I fell out of favor with Toyotas until recently -- choosing
the Honda. Now I have a Toyota and a Honda, and I love them both.

I've got 90k miles on my 1995 Corolla and I have yet to hear anyone's
experience with timing belts -- the manual says unless I drive it like
a taxi don't worry about it but everyone else says every 60k miles.

Opinions on timing belts? Should I spend the $300 or whatever, or
not?


Richard
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mdrawson, 4/25/2005, 8:48:05 AM, <6G5be.17231$Z73.8746@lakeread04>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> Is there another Toyota newsgroup that doesn't contain so much OT
> crap? Or is this OT just a Toyota-owners "thing?"[/color]

There are other Toyota newsgroups without all the OT. They are
directed towards specific models.

[OT rant]
It is definately not a Toyota owners "thing" that you see going on
here. It's just a bunch of people who can't stand up to scrutiny in
political groups and use this one to post their political opinions
where there is much less chance of them being laughed out of the
newsgroup.

--
No matter what happens, someone will find a way to take it too
seriously.

Learning Richard wrote:
:: mdrawson wrote:
::: Is there another Toyota newsgroup that doesn't contain so much OT
::: crap? Or is this OT just a Toyota-owners "thing?"
::
:: My first Toyota was a 1977 Corolla wagon. Green with wood panelling.
:: Loved it. I fell out of favor with Toyotas until recently --
:: choosing the Honda. Now I have a Toyota and a Honda, and I love
:: them both.
::
:: I've got 90k miles on my 1995 Corolla and I have yet to hear anyone's
:: experience with timing belts -- the manual says unless I drive it
:: like a taxi don't worry about it but everyone else says every 60k
:: miles.
::
:: Opinions on timing belts? Should I spend the $300 or whatever, or
:: not?

Timing belts always have a replacement time/mileage schedule which should
always be adhered to. Timing chains are usually good for the life of the
engine.

FanJet wrote:
[color=blue]
> Timing belts always have a replacement time/mileage schedule which should
> always be adhered to. Timing chains are usually good for the life of the
> engine.
>[/color]

This will leave you just as stranded, though, when the thing jumps a
few teeth and won't restart. Chains stretch and reqire their own
maintainence(as well as the tensioner assemblies and other components
that are part of the system).

The urban legend likely came about because back in the 50s and 60s,
nobody ever drove their car 150K miles, so it seemed like their
chains lasted forever.

Joseph Oberlander wrote:[color=blue]
> FanJet wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Timing belts always have a replacement time/mileage schedule which[/color][/color]
should[color=blue][color=green]
> > always be adhered to.[/color][/color]

According to my owner's manual, the only reason I'd have to change the
timing belt is because of unusual abuse. My car is driven normally.
I've blown a timing belt before though, but not on a Toyota.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Timing chains are usually good for the life of the
> > engine.
> >[/color]
>[/color]
[color=blue]
> This will leave you just as stranded, though, when the thing jumps a
> few teeth and won't restart. Chains stretch and reqire their own[/color]
[color=blue]
> maintainence(as well as the tensioner assemblies and other components
> that are part of the system).[/color]

Oh yeah -- I had to end up selling my 1974 Ford Torino because this guy
ran a light, and I slammed on the brakes and jumped timing. Never got
it right again after that.
[color=blue]
>
> The urban legend likely came about because back in the 50s and 60s,
> nobody ever drove their car 150K miles, so it seemed like their
> chains lasted forever.[/color]

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:41:51 GMT, Joseph Oberlander
<josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:[color=blue]
>FanJet wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Timing belts always have a replacement time/mileage schedule which should
>> always be adhered to. Timing chains are usually good for the life of the
>> engine.
>>[/color]
>
>This will leave you just as stranded, though, when the thing jumps a
>few teeth and won't restart. Chains stretch and reqire their own
>maintainence(as well as the tensioner assemblies and other components
>that are part of the system).
>
>The urban legend likely came about because back in the 50s and 60s,
>nobody ever drove their car 150K miles, so it seemed like their
>chains lasted forever.[/color]

And then there are timing /gears/, which do last forever if properly
designed. Which leaves out the ones with fiber/phenolic plastic
gears, that was a bad idea....

('Forever' in this case being the time you're going to have to tear
down the engine for other general wear problems somewhere well north
of 250,000 miles.)

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Learning Richard wrote:[color=blue]
> According to my owner's manual, the only reason I'd have to change the
> timing belt is because of unusual abuse. My car is driven normally.
> I've blown a timing belt before though, but not on a Toyota.
>[/color]

This is false. Timing belts operate in an enclosed, shielded environment.
Therefore, replacement schedule is based on an estimate of the number of
times the belt has revolved on their pulleys. A Gilmer tooth belt with a
back bend or two is always going to have a shorter service life than a
radiused tooth belt with no back bends in its travel. What service you
subject the car to has nothing to do with it.

--

- Philip

"mdrawson" <mdrawson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:6G5be.17231$Z73.8746@lakeread04...[color=blue]
> Is there another Toyota newsgroup that doesn't contain so much OT crap? Or
> is this OT just a Toyota-owners "thing?"
>[/color]
I'm not wild about all of the OT stuff myself, but the only solution is to
create your own, moderated newsgroup. Go to alt.config (There are a bunch of
lurkers there who can tell you how to set one up).

A warning: I read a number of their posts to others and came to the
conclusion that I'd ask my friends what to do, rather than say anything to
those jerks. I never even asked them a single question; just lurked until I
realized what asses they were

Natalie

*sigh*
A few bad apples spoil it for the rest of us.

There are other NG's for specific models:
alt.autos.toyota.camry
alt.autos.toyota.trucks
alt.cars.toyota.mr2
evv.toyota

Other than that, you're stuck with the jerks who's polluted this NG with
all of their political crap.
If only there was some polite, nice way to tell them to:
BUGGER OFF, FREAKS!!
TAKE YOUR CRAP ELSEWHERE!!

But sadly they're too ignorant, obstinate and insensitive to listen to
others or to care.

TomC

mdrawson wrote:
[color=blue]
> Is there another Toyota newsgroup that doesn't contain so much OT crap? Or
> is this OT just a Toyota-owners "thing?"
>
>[/color]

"Tom Crabtree" <spam@sucks.com> wrote in message
news:lcOdnSFOqOFTsPDfRVn-gw@sunset.net...[color=blue]
> *sigh*
> A few bad apples spoil it for the rest of us.
>
> There are other NG's for specific models:
> alt.autos.toyota.camry
> alt.autos.toyota.trucks
> alt.cars.toyota.mr2
> evv.toyota
>
> Other than that, you're stuck with the jerks who's polluted this NG with
> all of their political crap.
> If only there was some polite, nice way to tell them to:
> BUGGER OFF, FREAKS!!
> TAKE YOUR CRAP ELSEWHERE!!
>
> But sadly they're too ignorant, obstinate and insensitive to listen to
> others or to care.
>
> TomC
>[/color]

Like someone said, with Toyotas, there aren't many problems, so there is less
to discuss, but more significantly, the OT stuff is Usenet-wide. I have a
filter that marks OT posts as read, as sometimes I might want to join in on
the subject at hand. But I've killfiled the words 'democrat' , republican',
the names of politicians, etc. That's cut posts down considerably for me. I
think that's an option that you guys might want to consider. Unfortunately,
though, not all OT posts are marked as such, which I personally think is a
bit rude.

Natalie
wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> Is there another Toyota newsgroup that doesn't contain so much OT crap?
>> Or is this OT just a Toyota-owners "thing?"[/color]
>[/color]

Philip wrote the following on 4/25/2005 12:41 PM:[color=blue]
> Learning Richard wrote:
>[color=green]
>>According to my owner's manual, the only reason I'd have to change the
>>timing belt is because of unusual abuse. My car is driven normally.
>>I've blown a timing belt before though, but not on a Toyota.
>>[/color]
>
>
> This is false. Timing belts operate in an enclosed, shielded environment.
> Therefore, replacement schedule is based on an estimate of the number of
> times the belt has revolved on their pulleys. A Gilmer tooth belt with a
> back bend or two is always going to have a shorter service life than a
> radiused tooth belt with no back bends in its travel. What service you
> subject the car to has nothing to do with it.
>[/color]

'Scuse me for jumping in here, but Toyota believes that what service you
subject
the car to has something to do with it.

For an Avalon with the 1MZ-FE:
The '97 and '98 maintenance guides say that a timing belt replacement,
among other things, is ONLY required at 90K in cases where the vehicle
is PRIMARILY operated in
"Special Operating Conditions", defined as:

Special Operating Conditions:
1. Towing a trailer or using a camper or cartop
carrier.
2. Repeated short trips of less than five
miles in temperatures below freezing.
3. Extensive idling or low-speed driving for
long distances as in heavy commercial
use, such as delivery, taxi, or patrol car.
4. Operating on rough, muddy, or saltcovered
roads.
5. Operating on unpaved or dusty roads.

It also states:
"If you only OCCASIONALLY operate your vehicle under these
conditions, it is NOT necessary to perform the additional maintenance
items."

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
:: FanJet wrote:
::
::: Timing belts always have a replacement time/mileage schedule which
::: should always be adhered to. Timing chains are usually good for the
::: life of the engine.
:::
::
:: This will leave you just as stranded, though, when the thing jumps a
:: few teeth and won't restart. Chains stretch and reqire their own
:: maintainence(as well as the tensioner assemblies and other components
:: that are part of the system).
::
:: The urban legend likely came about because back in the 50s and 60s,
:: nobody ever drove their car 150K miles, so it seemed like their
:: chains lasted forever.

We're not talking about a 50s or 60s engine. If the oil is changed
regularly, modern chain/tensioner assemblies will last as long as the rest
of the engine. Since the chain and its tensioner assembly are lubricated by
exactly the same oil, in exact the same manner as every other internal part
of the engine, there's no reason it would wear or stretch any more than
anything else.

Not a bad theory --- nothing to complain about, so talk trash instead.
Given that, I'll simply sign out. Adios dudes.

"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:426d318b$0$7225$626a14ce@news.free.fr...[color=blue]
>
> "Tom Crabtree" <spam@sucks.com> wrote in message
> news:lcOdnSFOqOFTsPDfRVn-gw@sunset.net...[color=green]
>> *sigh*
>> A few bad apples spoil it for the rest of us.
>>
>> There are other NG's for specific models:
>> alt.autos.toyota.camry
>> alt.autos.toyota.trucks
>> alt.cars.toyota.mr2
>> evv.toyota
>>
>> Other than that, you're stuck with the jerks who's polluted this NG with
>> all of their political crap.
>> If only there was some polite, nice way to tell them to:
>> BUGGER OFF, FREAKS!!
>> TAKE YOUR CRAP ELSEWHERE!!
>>
>> But sadly they're too ignorant, obstinate and insensitive to listen to
>> others or to care.
>>
>> TomC
>>[/color]
>
> Like someone said, with Toyotas, there aren't many problems, so there is
> less to discuss, but more significantly, the OT stuff is Usenet-wide. I
> have a filter that marks OT posts as read, as sometimes I might want to
> join in on the subject at hand. But I've killfiled the words 'democrat' ,
> republican', the names of politicians, etc. That's cut posts down
> considerably for me. I think that's an option that you guys might want to
> consider. Unfortunately, though, not all OT posts are marked as such,
> which I personally think is a bit rude.
>
> Natalie
> wrote:[color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Is there another Toyota newsgroup that doesn't contain so much OT crap?
>>> Or is this OT just a Toyota-owners "thing?"[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Wickeddoll® wrote:[color=blue]
> "Tom Crabtree" <spam@sucks.com> wrote in message
> news:lcOdnSFOqOFTsPDfRVn-gw@sunset.net...[color=green]
> > *sigh*
> > A few bad apples spoil it for the rest of us.
> >
> > There are other NG's for specific models:
> > alt.autos.toyota.camry
> > alt.autos.toyota.trucks
> > alt.cars.toyota.mr2
> > evv.toyota
> >
> > Other than that, you're stuck with the jerks who's polluted this NG[/color][/color]
with[color=blue][color=green]
> > all of their political crap.
> > If only there was some polite, nice way to tell them to:
> > BUGGER OFF, FREAKS!!
> > TAKE YOUR CRAP ELSEWHERE!!
> >
> > But sadly they're too ignorant, obstinate and insensitive to listen[/color][/color]
to[color=blue][color=green]
> > others or to care.
> >
> > TomC
> >[/color]
>
> Like someone said, with Toyotas, there aren't many problems, so there[/color]
is less[color=blue]
> to discuss, but more significantly, the OT stuff is Usenet-wide. I[/color]
have a[color=blue]
> filter that marks OT posts as read, as sometimes I might want to join[/color]
in on[color=blue]
> the subject at hand. But I've killfiled the words 'democrat' ,[/color]
republican',[color=blue]
> the names of politicians, etc. That's cut posts down considerably[/color]
for me. I[color=blue]
> think that's an option that you guys might want to consider.[/color]
Unfortunately,[color=blue]
> though, not all OT posts are marked as such, which I personally think[/color]
is a[color=blue]
> bit rude.
>
> Natalie
> wrote:[color=green]
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Is there another Toyota newsgroup that doesn't contain so much OT[/color][/color][/color]
crap?[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Or is this OT just a Toyota-owners "thing?"[/color]
> >[/color][/color]

Toyota owners represent a good cross-section of the American
Clinton/Bush generation.