OT: Mass man arrested for Trespassing on School Property for...

Not leaving the school when demended by the Principal. Why was he there?

Seems his 8 year old son brought home a book on Family Lifestyles. One of
the 'lifestyles' listed was a family comprised of Gay parents. The Dad
didn't like the idea of his 8YO reading this, so he went to the school to
complain.

The librarian called the Principal, and the Principal refused to remove
the book from the Library.

Then the Dad demanded he be notified the next time such topics were
discussed in class. THe Principal refused that, also. So the Dad refused
to leave the school; the cops were called, and Dad was arrested.

Now whether or not Junior decides he's gay is his business, AFAIAC. So be
it. But here in Mass, the teachers can't hardly get the kids to pass the
MCAS (a standardized test taken in 8th and 10th grade, I believe). So now
we waste time teaching 'Alternative Lifestyles'. How about canning all the
Touchy Feely PC Bullcrap and just teach the three R's?

Maybe, AFTER the teachers teach what they're SUPPOSED to there might be
time left over for Crap. But I hope not...

hachiroku, 4/28/2005, 2:26:24 PM,
<pan.2005.04.28.18.28.48.77000@ae86.gts> wrote:
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> The Dad didn't like the idea of his 8YO reading this, so he went to
> the school to complain.[/color]

Did he drive a Toyota there?

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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:51:48 +0000, badgolferman wrote:
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> hachiroku, 4/28/2005, 2:26:24 PM,
> <pan.2005.04.28.18.28.48.77000@ae86.gts> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> The Dad didn't like the idea of his 8YO reading this, so he went to
>> the school to complain.[/color]
>
> Did he drive a Toyota there?[/color]

Touche!

Yeah, yeah, I know; I posted an off topic here, but I just couldn't resist
such a DUMB-ASS STUPID story about our schools teaching EVERYTHING but
what they should!

Your Tax Dollars at work!

Listen to WRKO, RIGHT NOW! The Howie Carr show, [url]http://www.howiecarr.com[/url]

badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> hachiroku, 4/28/2005, 2:26:24 PM,
> <pan.2005.04.28.18.28.48.77000@ae86.gts> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > The Dad didn't like the idea of his 8YO reading this, so he went to
> > the school to complain.[/color]
>
> Did he drive a Toyota there?
>[/color]

pardon me, but your response to this message was OT, badgolferman

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:26:24 +0000, hachiroku wrote:
[color=blue]
> Not leaving the school when demended by the Principal. Why was he there?
>
> Seems his 8 year old son brought home a book on Family Lifestyles. One of
> the 'lifestyles' listed was a family comprised of Gay parents. The Dad
> didn't like the idea of his 8YO reading this, so he went to the school to
> complain.
>
> The librarian called the Principal, and the Principal refused to remove
> the book from the Library.
>
> Then the Dad demanded he be notified the next time such topics were
> discussed in class. THe Principal refused that, also. So the Dad refused
> to leave the school; the cops were called, and Dad was arrested.
>
> Now whether or not Junior decides he's gay is his business, AFAIAC. So be
> it. But here in Mass, the teachers can't hardly get the kids to pass the
> MCAS (a standardized test taken in 8th and 10th grade, I believe). So now
> we waste time teaching 'Alternative Lifestyles'. How about canning all the
> Touchy Feely PC Bullcrap and just teach the three R's?
>
> Maybe, AFTER the teachers teach what they're SUPPOSED to there might be
> time left over for Crap. But I hope not...[/color]


From the Howie Carr Show at [url]http://www.howiecarr.com[/url]


A father in Lexington, Massachusetts was jailed last night after he refused
to leave his son's school after officials rejected his demands that his
6-year-old son be shielded from any discussions about gay households.
His son had come home with a book entitled "Who's in a Family", a
storybook that includes characters who are gay parents. Does the
school have the right to teach you child regarding alternative
lifestyles against your will?

Here's some more:

[url]http://www.article8.org/[/url]

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114716149.334496.277970@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> badgolferman wrote:[color=green]
>> hachiroku, 4/28/2005, 2:26:24 PM,
>> <pan.2005.04.28.18.28.48.77000@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > The Dad didn't like the idea of his 8YO reading this, so he went to
>> > the school to complain.[/color]
>>
>> Did he drive a Toyota there?
>>[/color]
>
> pardon me, but your response to this message was OT, badgolferman[/color]

OK now *that's* funny

LOL

Natalie

Still More: An e-mail from the parents to the school:

ate: Monday, January 17, 2005
Subject: Estabrook Diversity Book Bag

Ms Jay,

Today our son, [child's name], in Ms Johnson's kindergarten
class at Estabrook, brought home a Diversity Book bag. It
was filled with various books deemed appropriate by the
anti-bias group, and funded by the Lexington Education
Foundation and the PTA. In response to the request to
fill in a Family Feedback Form found in the Diversity
Book bag we have constructed the following letter. We
wish to make our feedback known publicly.

In the feedback form given to us, it explicitly states
that one of the goals of this program is to acknowledge and
celebrate the diverse backgrounds and families in our school
community. There is a book included entitled, Who's in a Family
(with pictures) that include lesbian and homosexual couples
with children ---- implicitly equating this family structure as
a morally equal alternative to other family constructs. We stand
firmly against this book or any other subject matter pertaining
to homosexuality ever being indoctrinated to our child, discussed
in school, or sent home. We don't believe gay parents constitute a
spiritually healthy family and should not be celebrated.

It is one thing to endorse to not persecute/harm homosexuals/lesbians,
it is another to teach young children implicitly that these values are
acceptable. Some may maintain that if they can not present homosexual
situations in school--- this is a form of persecution and harm. To us-
this is a very contrived argument. The real question is-do parents have
the right to exclude/shield their children from these contrary values
being pushed upon young children in elementary school. Furthermore, we
believe--just because it is legal in this one state does not give the
school the right to teach that it is correct- even implicitly. After all,
it was once legal that women and blacks could not vote, and slavery was
once legal by law---and that did not make it correct. Estabrook elementary
school (or any elementary school for that matter ) is not supposed to
teach my child values and morals. That is the parents' sacred
responsibility- whether the parents are heterosexual or homosexual. The
public school system is there to teach reading, writing, arithmetic,
science, music, art, and other school subjects. We acknowledge that there
are rights that need to be protected for the gay community,however; the
"out of the closet" into the kindergarten classroom mentality will not
do justice to this cause and frankly- it just isn't necessary at this
impressionable age. We believe this is a promotion of homosexuality to
young impressionable children whom are told to listen and obey their
teachers and principle, who knowingly or unwittingly will indeed become
the purveyors of these values.

We want to state for the record that [son's name] shall be removed from
any and all classroom or school functions which discuss or display
homosexuality. We anticipate that you will respect our wishes.

We believe we have the right to answers from you to the following series
of questions:

1) Is it the intention of Estabrook to include homosexual/lesbian family
dynamics as part of the school curriculum?

2) Is your position in this matter that parents don't have the right to
intervene in teaching homosexual family values because of state law?

3) Is equal emphasis and sensitivity being given to
Judeo/Christian/Islamic and secular communities and
their respective family values--- many of which do
not endorse gay family values?

4) Do you commit to us that [son's name] will not be
subjected to homosexual family values at Estabrook?

5) Who else has viewed these materials and deemed it
appropriate for the children in the school system to
take home and view/read?

It is not necessarily you, solely, whom we wish to focus
our concerns on, however; we feel as the principal- we need
answers from your perspective. We will be posing these same
question to other authorities.

We are also requesting from you the e-mail addresses for key
Anti-bias group representatives.

To all people whom we have sent this e-mail--- we encourage
your feedback, both to the school and to us, concerning this
letter. We also encourage anyone to forward this note to other
Estabrook parents, since; we were completely caught off guard
when our 5 year old son brought this material home.

Sincerely and with genuine love to all,
David and Tonia Parker

"hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.04.28.18.28.48.77000@ae86.gts...[color=blue]
> Not leaving the school when demended by the Principal. Why was he there?
>
> Seems his 8 year old son brought home a book on Family Lifestyles. One of
> the 'lifestyles' listed was a family comprised of Gay parents. The Dad
> didn't like the idea of his 8YO reading this, so he went to the school to
> complain.
>
> The librarian called the Principal, and the Principal refused to remove
> the book from the Library.[/color]

As you know, I'm a moderate, as well as a '*** hag', however, this one is
that thorny first amendment type situation. Despite being Black, I don't
have a problem with my kids reading Mark Twain, despite its liberal use of
the n-word. Why? Because that word will be around forever, and I'd like
them to know its origins, as well as how ignorant its use is, especially
today. It's always been a fact that Blacks utter that slur way more often
than Whites, but it's that old double standard: *We* can say it, but *you*
cannot, which his utter bullshit IMO. For example, my first generation
Polish-American husband (My mother and father-in-law emigrated from Poland)
uses the phrase 'pollack' all the time, but is offended when non-Poles use
it. But if *I* were to say it, it's a slur. First of all, I don't think of
'pollack' as being as inflammatory and hateful a word as the n-word, but
since *I* never use the n-word, I don't wanna hear anyone else using it -
regardless of their race.[color=blue]
>
> Then the Dad demanded he be notified the next time such topics were
> discussed in class. THe Principal refused that, also. So the Dad refused
> to leave the school; the cops were called, and Dad was arrested.[/color]

I think the father certainly should have had that last concession. Most
schools warn parents about sensitive topics and/or lessons; I think this dad
certainly had that right.[color=blue]
>
> Now whether or not Junior decides he's gay is his business, AFAIAC. So be
> it. But here in Mass, the teachers can't hardly get the kids to pass the
> MCAS (a standardized test taken in 8th and 10th grade, I believe). So now
> we waste time teaching 'Alternative Lifestyles'. How about canning all the
> Touchy Feely PC Bullcrap and just teach the three R's?[/color]

I believe in teaching lifestyle situations, but other studies certainly take
precedence. I think rather than teaching an entire class on alternative
lifestyles, it should be something addressed in social studies, but not a
separate lesson in and of itself. No books should really be necessary,
unless the parents and/or child wants to learn more about it.[color=blue]
>
> Maybe, AFTER the teachers teach what they're SUPPOSED to there might be
> time left over for Crap. But I hope not...[/color]

See above

:-)

Natalie

"hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.04.28.19.19.04.905000@ae86.gts...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:51:48 +0000, badgolferman wrote:
>[color=green]
>> hachiroku, 4/28/2005, 2:26:24 PM,
>> <pan.2005.04.28.18.28.48.77000@ae86.gts> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The Dad didn't like the idea of his 8YO reading this, so he went to
>>> the school to complain.[/color]
>>
>> Did he drive a Toyota there?[/color]
>
> Touche!
>
> Yeah, yeah, I know; I posted an off topic here, but I just couldn't resist
> such a DUMB-ASS STUPID story about our schools teaching EVERYTHING but
> what they should!
>[/color]

Feh, you marked it OT, so that's OK

*poking badgolferman in the eye*

:-)

Natalie

Learning Richard, 4/28/2005, 3:22:29 PM, wrote:
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>
> badgolferman wrote:[color=green]
> > hachiroku, 4/28/2005, 2:26:24 PM,
> > <pan.2005.04.28.18.28.48.77000@ae86.gts> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > The Dad didn't like the idea of his 8YO reading this, so he went
> > > to the school to complain.[/color]
> >
> > Did he drive a Toyota there?
> >[/color]
>
> pardon me, but your response to this message was OT, badgolferman[/color]

Not really. I was discussing the man's transporation to the school
where they are trying to teach a certain agenda. I was interested in
how he got there to ensure that if it ever happened in Virginia my
Toyota would be adequate transportation.

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