OT Swift Boat Vets and Kerry....

From the Wall Street Journal...

The Sound of One Hand Clapping

Our item yesterday on John Kerry*, his military records and his Yale
transcript prompted this criticism from a reader:

Your failure to acknowledge that John Kerry's Navy records contained
praise from (future) members of the Swift Boats outfit demonstrates
your lack of integrity and your fundamental dishonesty. You are a
shill. Congratulations.

"The Swift Boats outfit," of course, is the Swift Boat Veterans for
Truth, and sure enough, yesterday's Boston Globe did say this:

The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe,
are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004
campaign for president, including numerous commendations from
commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service. . .
.. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign
because it contains a number of reports lauding his service.

OK, so we goofed. We should have noted this yesterday. The reason we
didn't is that we remembered reading in the paper that the Swift Boat
guys were a bunch of liars, so we assumed their praise was not to be
trusted.

Now that their credibility has been re-established, let's check in on
what they're saying about the release of Kerry's records. Blogger Matt
Margolis has the following comment (scroll down to "Update III") from
Swift Boat honcho John O'Neill:

We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to
examine his full and unexpulgated [sic] military records at the Navy
Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he
executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records
currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously
indicated its records did not include various materials. This is
hardly what we called for.

If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then
answer questions such as (1) Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or
file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise);
(2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he
received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and
1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3) why did he receive much later
citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said
he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel
Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart
(when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating
Surgeon Louis Letson, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was
hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under
unknown circumstances.

Remember, O'Neill heads a group whose members praised Kerry, so he can
hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan.

------

Poor Traitor Kerry...he just can't hep it....LOL




--

Scott in Florida

Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> From the Wall Street Journal...
>
> The Sound of One Hand Clapping
>
> Our item yesterday on John Kerry*, his military records and his Yale
> transcript prompted this criticism from a reader:
>
> Your failure to acknowledge that John Kerry's Navy records contained
> praise from (future) members of the Swift Boats outfit demonstrates
> your lack of integrity and your fundamental dishonesty. You are a
> shill. Congratulations.
>
> "The Swift Boats outfit," of course, is the Swift Boat Veterans for
> Truth, and sure enough, yesterday's Boston Globe did say this:
>
> The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe,
> are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004
> campaign for president, including numerous commendations from
> commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service. . .
> . An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign
> because it contains a number of reports lauding his service.
>
> OK, so we goofed. We should have noted this yesterday. The reason we
> didn't is that we remembered reading in the paper that the Swift Boat
> guys were a bunch of liars, so we assumed their praise was not to be
> trusted.
>
> Now that their credibility has been re-established, let's check in on
> what they're saying about the release of Kerry's records. Blogger Matt
> Margolis has the following comment (scroll down to "Update III") from
> Swift Boat honcho John O'Neill:
>
> We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to
> examine his full and unexpulgated [sic] military records at the Navy
> Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he
> executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records
> currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously
> indicated its records did not include various materials. This is
> hardly what we called for.
>
> If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then
> answer questions such as (1) Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or
> file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise);
> (2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he
> received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and
> 1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3) why did he receive much later
> citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said
> he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel
> Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart
> (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating
> Surgeon Louis Letson, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was
> hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under
> unknown circumstances.
>
> Remember, O'Neill heads a group whose members praised Kerry, so he can
> hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan.[/color]

"Can hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan"?

Where have you been the past year -- Mars?

John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
partisans.

Doug
[color=blue]
> ------
>
> Poor Traitor Kerry...he just can't hep it....LOL
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida[/color]

[email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida wrote:[color=green]
> > From the Wall Street Journal...
> >
> > The Sound of One Hand Clapping
> >
> > Our item yesterday on John Kerry*, his military records and his Yale
> > transcript prompted this criticism from a reader:
> >
> > Your failure to acknowledge that John Kerry's Navy records contained
> > praise from (future) members of the Swift Boats outfit demonstrates
> > your lack of integrity and your fundamental dishonesty. You are a
> > shill. Congratulations.
> >
> > "The Swift Boats outfit," of course, is the Swift Boat Veterans for
> > Truth, and sure enough, yesterday's Boston Globe did say this:
> >
> > The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe,
> > are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004
> > campaign for president, including numerous commendations from
> > commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service. . .
> > . An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign
> > because it contains a number of reports lauding his service.
> >
> > OK, so we goofed. We should have noted this yesterday. The reason we
> > didn't is that we remembered reading in the paper that the Swift Boat
> > guys were a bunch of liars, so we assumed their praise was not to be
> > trusted.
> >
> > Now that their credibility has been re-established, let's check in on
> > what they're saying about the release of Kerry's records. Blogger Matt
> > Margolis has the following comment (scroll down to "Update III") from
> > Swift Boat honcho John O'Neill:
> >
> > We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to
> > examine his full and unexpulgated [sic] military records at the Navy
> > Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he
> > executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records
> > currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously
> > indicated its records did not include various materials. This is
> > hardly what we called for.
> >
> > If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then
> > answer questions such as (1) Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or
> > file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise);
> > (2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he
> > received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and
> > 1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3) why did he receive much later
> > citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said
> > he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel
> > Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart
> > (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating
> > Surgeon Louis Letson, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was
> > hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under
> > unknown circumstances.
> >
> > Remember, O'Neill heads a group whose members praised Kerry, so he can
> > hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan.[/color]
>
> "Can hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan"?
>
> Where have you been the past year -- Mars?
>
> John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
> partisans.
>[/color]

Good God. O'Neill is a right-wing Vietnam Vet who's probably pissed
off that Kerry wouldn't join him in raping Vietnamese women and killing
Vietnamese civilians.

On 9 Jun 2005 16:59:01 -0700, "Learning Richard"
<learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
>dreese@erols.com wrote:[color=green]
>> Scott in Florida wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > From the Wall Street Journal...
>> >
>> > The Sound of One Hand Clapping
>> >
>> > Our item yesterday on John Kerry*, his military records and his Yale
>> > transcript prompted this criticism from a reader:
>> >
>> > Your failure to acknowledge that John Kerry's Navy records contained
>> > praise from (future) members of the Swift Boats outfit demonstrates
>> > your lack of integrity and your fundamental dishonesty. You are a
>> > shill. Congratulations.
>> >
>> > "The Swift Boats outfit," of course, is the Swift Boat Veterans for
>> > Truth, and sure enough, yesterday's Boston Globe did say this:
>> >
>> > The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe,
>> > are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004
>> > campaign for president, including numerous commendations from
>> > commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service. . .
>> > . An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign
>> > because it contains a number of reports lauding his service.
>> >
>> > OK, so we goofed. We should have noted this yesterday. The reason we
>> > didn't is that we remembered reading in the paper that the Swift Boat
>> > guys were a bunch of liars, so we assumed their praise was not to be
>> > trusted.
>> >
>> > Now that their credibility has been re-established, let's check in on
>> > what they're saying about the release of Kerry's records. Blogger Matt
>> > Margolis has the following comment (scroll down to "Update III") from
>> > Swift Boat honcho John O'Neill:
>> >
>> > We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to
>> > examine his full and unexpulgated [sic] military records at the Navy
>> > Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he
>> > executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records
>> > currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously
>> > indicated its records did not include various materials. This is
>> > hardly what we called for.
>> >
>> > If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then
>> > answer questions such as (1) Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or
>> > file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise);
>> > (2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he
>> > received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and
>> > 1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3) why did he receive much later
>> > citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said
>> > he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel
>> > Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart
>> > (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating
>> > Surgeon Louis Letson, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was
>> > hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under
>> > unknown circumstances.
>> >
>> > Remember, O'Neill heads a group whose members praised Kerry, so he can
>> > hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan.[/color]
>>
>> "Can hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan"?
>>
>> Where have you been the past year -- Mars?
>>
>> John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
>> partisans.
>>[/color]
>
>Good God. O'Neill is a right-wing Vietnam Vet who's probably pissed
>off that Kerry wouldn't join him in raping Vietnamese women and killing
>Vietnamese civilians.[/color]

Please quote the statements Kerry made to the United State
Congress....

Please...

If you can't find them...I'll be happy to bring them up....


--

Scott in Florida

Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> On 9 Jun 2005 16:59:01 -0700, "Learning Richard"
> <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> >
> >dreese@erols.com wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> Scott in Florida wrote:
> >> > From the Wall Street Journal...
> >> >
> >> > The Sound of One Hand Clapping
> >> >
> >> > Our item yesterday on John Kerry*, his military records and his Yale
> >> > transcript prompted this criticism from a reader:
> >> >
> >> > Your failure to acknowledge that John Kerry's Navy records contained
> >> > praise from (future) members of the Swift Boats outfit demonstrates
> >> > your lack of integrity and your fundamental dishonesty. You are a
> >> > shill. Congratulations.
> >> >
> >> > "The Swift Boats outfit," of course, is the Swift Boat Veterans for
> >> > Truth, and sure enough, yesterday's Boston Globe did say this:
> >> >
> >> > The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe,
> >> > are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004
> >> > campaign for president, including numerous commendations from
> >> > commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service. . .
> >> > . An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign
> >> > because it contains a number of reports lauding his service.
> >> >
> >> > OK, so we goofed. We should have noted this yesterday. The reason we
> >> > didn't is that we remembered reading in the paper that the Swift Boat
> >> > guys were a bunch of liars, so we assumed their praise was not to be
> >> > trusted.
> >> >
> >> > Now that their credibility has been re-established, let's check in on
> >> > what they're saying about the release of Kerry's records. Blogger Matt
> >> > Margolis has the following comment (scroll down to "Update III") from
> >> > Swift Boat honcho John O'Neill:
> >> >
> >> > We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to
> >> > examine his full and unexpulgated [sic] military records at the Navy
> >> > Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he
> >> > executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records
> >> > currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously
> >> > indicated its records did not include various materials. This is
> >> > hardly what we called for.
> >> >
> >> > If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then
> >> > answer questions such as (1) Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or
> >> > file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise);
> >> > (2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he
> >> > received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and
> >> > 1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3) why did he receive much later
> >> > citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said
> >> > he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel
> >> > Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart
> >> > (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating
> >> > Surgeon Louis Letson, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was
> >> > hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under
> >> > unknown circumstances.
> >> >
> >> > Remember, O'Neill heads a group whose members praised Kerry, so he can
> >> > hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan.
> >>
> >> "Can hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan"?
> >>
> >> Where have you been the past year -- Mars?
> >>
> >> John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
> >> partisans.
> >>[/color]
> >
> >Good God. O'Neill is a right-wing Vietnam Vet who's probably pissed
> >off that Kerry wouldn't join him in raping Vietnamese women and killing
> >Vietnamese civilians.[/color]
>
> Please quote the statements Kerry made to the United State
> Congress....
>
> Please...
>
> If you can't find them...I'll be happy to bring them up....
>
>[/color]

Go right ahead, my man. Kerry spoke the truth. O'Neill was busy
mowing down Vietnamese citizens with his Mattel-made M16.

What was that medal O'Neill won again?

Learning Richard wrote:[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida wrote:[color=green]
> > On 9 Jun 2005 16:59:01 -0700, "Learning Richard"
> > <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > >
> > >
> > >dreese@erols.com wrote:
> > >> Scott in Florida wrote:
> > >> > From the Wall Street Journal...
> > >> >
> > >> > The Sound of One Hand Clapping
> > >> >
> > >> > Our item yesterday on John Kerry*, his military records and his Yale
> > >> > transcript prompted this criticism from a reader:
> > >> >
> > >> > Your failure to acknowledge that John Kerry's Navy records contained
> > >> > praise from (future) members of the Swift Boats outfit demonstrates
> > >> > your lack of integrity and your fundamental dishonesty. You are a
> > >> > shill. Congratulations.
> > >> >
> > >> > "The Swift Boats outfit," of course, is the Swift Boat Veterans for
> > >> > Truth, and sure enough, yesterday's Boston Globe did say this:
> > >> >
> > >> > The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe,
> > >> > are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004
> > >> > campaign for president, including numerous commendations from
> > >> > commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service. . .
> > >> > . An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign
> > >> > because it contains a number of reports lauding his service.
> > >> >
> > >> > OK, so we goofed. We should have noted this yesterday. The reason we
> > >> > didn't is that we remembered reading in the paper that the Swift Boat
> > >> > guys were a bunch of liars, so we assumed their praise was not to be
> > >> > trusted.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now that their credibility has been re-established, let's check in on
> > >> > what they're saying about the release of Kerry's records. Blogger Matt
> > >> > Margolis has the following comment (scroll down to "Update III") from
> > >> > Swift Boat honcho John O'Neill:
> > >> >
> > >> > We called for Kerry to execute a form which would permit anyone to
> > >> > examine his full and unexpulgated [sic] military records at the Navy
> > >> > Department and the National Personnel Records Center. Instead he
> > >> > executed a form permitting his hometown paper to obtain the records
> > >> > currently at the Navy Department. The Navy Department previously
> > >> > indicated its records did not include various materials. This is
> > >> > hardly what we called for.
> > >> >
> > >> > If he did execute a complete release of all records we could then
> > >> > answer questions such as (1) Did he ever receive orders to Cambodia or
> > >> > file any report of such a mission (whether at Christmas or otherwise);
> > >> > (2) What was his discharge status between 1970 and 1978 (when he
> > >> > received a discharge) and was it affected by his meetings in 1970 and
> > >> > 1971 with the North Vietnamese? (3) why did he receive much later
> > >> > citations for medals purportedly signed by Secretary Lehman who said
> > >> > he did not know of them; (4) Are there Hostile Fire and Personnel
> > >> > Injured by Hostile Fire Reports for Kerry's Dec. 1968 Purple Heart
> > >> > (when the officer in charge of the boat Admiral Schacte, the treating
> > >> > Surgeon Louis Letson, and Kerry's Division Commander deny there was
> > >> > hostile fire causing a scratch) awarded three months later under
> > >> > unknown circumstances.
> > >> >
> > >> > Remember, O'Neill heads a group whose members praised Kerry, so he can
> > >> > hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan.
> > >>
> > >> "Can hardly be dismissed as an anti-Kerry partisan"?
> > >>
> > >> Where have you been the past year -- Mars?
> > >>
> > >> John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
> > >> partisans.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Good God. O'Neill is a right-wing Vietnam Vet who's probably pissed
> > >off that Kerry wouldn't join him in raping Vietnamese women and killing
> > >Vietnamese civilians.[/color]
> >
> > Please quote the statements Kerry made to the United State
> > Congress....
> >
> > Please...
> >
> > If you can't find them...I'll be happy to bring them up....
> >
> >[/color]
>
> Go right ahead, my man. Kerry spoke the truth. O'Neill was busy
> mowing down Vietnamese citizens with his Mattel-made M16.[/color]

I assume that's a tongue-in-cheek comment, as it certainly isn't true.

Doug
[color=blue]
> What was that medal O'Neill won again?[/color]

[email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> Learning Richard wrote:[color=green]
> > Scott in Florida wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > On 9 Jun 2005 16:59:01 -0700, "Learning Richard"
> > > <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >dreese@erols.com wrote:
> > > >> Scott in Florida wrote:
> > > >> > From the Wall Street Journal...
> > > >> >[/color][/color][/color]

<snip>
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > >>
> > > >> John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
> > > >> partisans.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Good God. O'Neill is a right-wing Vietnam Vet who's probably pissed
> > > >off that Kerry wouldn't join him in raping Vietnamese women and killing
> > > >Vietnamese civilians.
> > >
> > > Please quote the statements Kerry made to the United State
> > > Congress....
> > >
> > > Please...
> > >
> > > If you can't find them...I'll be happy to bring them up....
> > >
> > >[/color]
> >
> > Go right ahead, my man. Kerry spoke the truth. O'Neill was busy
> > mowing down Vietnamese citizens with his Mattel-made M16.[/color][/color]

[color=blue]
>
> I assume that's a tongue-in-cheek comment, as it certainly isn't true.
>[/color]

eh... that's what my brother told me, long time ago -- he carried one.
Research does seem to show that it is an urban legend that Mattel
actually made parts for the M-16. Apparently they just made toy M-16s.
[color=blue]
> Doug
>[color=green]
> > What was that medal O'Neill won again?[/color][/color]

Learning Richard wrote:[color=blue]
> [email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:[color=green]
> > Learning Richard wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Scott in Florida wrote:
> > > > On 9 Jun 2005 16:59:01 -0700, "Learning Richard"
> > > > <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >dreese@erols.com wrote:
> > > > >> Scott in Florida wrote:
> > > > >> > From the Wall Street Journal...
> > > > >> >[/color][/color]
>
> <snip>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
> > > > >> partisans.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >Good God. O'Neill is a right-wing Vietnam Vet who's probably pissed
> > > > >off that Kerry wouldn't join him in raping Vietnamese women and killing
> > > > >Vietnamese civilians.
> > > >
> > > > Please quote the statements Kerry made to the United State
> > > > Congress....
> > > >
> > > > Please...
> > > >
> > > > If you can't find them...I'll be happy to bring them up....
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Go right ahead, my man. Kerry spoke the truth. O'Neill was busy
> > > mowing down Vietnamese citizens with his Mattel-made M16.[/color][/color]
>
>[color=green]
> >
> > I assume that's a tongue-in-cheek comment, as it certainly isn't true.
> >[/color]
>
> eh... that's what my brother told me, long time ago -- he carried one.
> Research does seem to show that it is an urban legend that Mattel
> actually made parts for the M-16. Apparently they just made toy M-16s.[/color]

I wasn't referring to who made the M-16, but to O'Neill "mowing down"
Vietnamese.

Doug
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Doug
> >[color=darkred]
> > > What was that medal O'Neill won again?[/color][/color][/color]

On 9 Jun 2005 20:16:43 -0700, [email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
>Learning Richard wrote:[color=green]
>> [email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > Learning Richard wrote:
>> > > Scott in Florida wrote:
>> > > > On 9 Jun 2005 16:59:01 -0700, "Learning Richard"
>> > > > <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >dreese@erols.com wrote:
>> > > > >> Scott in Florida wrote:
>> > > > >> > From the Wall Street Journal...
>> > > > >> >[/color]
>>
>> <snip>
>>[color=darkred]
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
>> > > > >> partisans.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Good God. O'Neill is a right-wing Vietnam Vet who's probably pissed
>> > > > >off that Kerry wouldn't join him in raping Vietnamese women and killing
>> > > > >Vietnamese civilians.
>> > > >
>> > > > Please quote the statements Kerry made to the United State
>> > > > Congress....
>> > > >
>> > > > Please...
>> > > >
>> > > > If you can't find them...I'll be happy to bring them up....
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Go right ahead, my man. Kerry spoke the truth. O'Neill was busy
>> > > mowing down Vietnamese citizens with his Mattel-made M16.[/color]
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> > I assume that's a tongue-in-cheek comment, as it certainly isn't true.
>> >[/color]
>>
>> eh... that's what my brother told me, long time ago -- he carried one.
>> Research does seem to show that it is an urban legend that Mattel
>> actually made parts for the M-16. Apparently they just made toy M-16s.[/color]
>
>I wasn't referring to who made the M-16, but to O'Neill "mowing down"
>Vietnamese.[/color]

What, exactly, is wrong with 'mowing down' the enemy?
[color=blue]
>
>Doug
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>> > Doug
>> >
>> > > What was that medal O'Neill won again?[/color][/color][/color]

--

Scott in Florida

Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> On 9 Jun 2005 20:16:43 -0700, [email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> >
> >Learning Richard wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> [email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:
> >> > Learning Richard wrote:
> >> > > Scott in Florida wrote:
> >> > > > On 9 Jun 2005 16:59:01 -0700, "Learning Richard"
> >> > > > <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >dreese@erols.com wrote:
> >> > > > >> Scott in Florida wrote:
> >> > > > >> > From the Wall Street Journal...
> >> > > > >> >
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
> >> > > > >> partisans.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Good God. O'Neill is a right-wing Vietnam Vet who's probably pissed
> >> > > > >off that Kerry wouldn't join him in raping Vietnamese women and killing
> >> > > > >Vietnamese civilians.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Please quote the statements Kerry made to the United State
> >> > > > Congress....
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Please...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If you can't find them...I'll be happy to bring them up....
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Go right ahead, my man. Kerry spoke the truth. O'Neill was busy
> >> > > mowing down Vietnamese citizens with his Mattel-made M16.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I assume that's a tongue-in-cheek comment, as it certainly isn't true.
> >> >
> >>
> >> eh... that's what my brother told me, long time ago -- he carried one.
> >> Research does seem to show that it is an urban legend that Mattel
> >> actually made parts for the M-16. Apparently they just made toy M-16s.[/color]
> >
> >I wasn't referring to who made the M-16, but to O'Neill "mowing down"
> >Vietnamese.[/color]
>
> What, exactly, is wrong with 'mowing down' the enemy?[/color]

Nothing.

Where was "enemy" mentioned? I just saw Vietnamese citizens.

Doug

Who just spent a week in Florida . . . . rain, rain, rain.
[color=blue][color=green]
> >
> >Doug
> >[color=darkred]
> >> > Doug
> >> >
> >> > > What was that medal O'Neill won again?[/color][/color]
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida[/color]

[email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida wrote:[color=green]
> > On 9 Jun 2005 20:16:43 -0700, [email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > >
> > >
> > >Learning Richard wrote:
> > >> [email]dreese@erols.com[/email] wrote:
> > >> > Learning Richard wrote:
> > >> > > Scott in Florida wrote:
> > >> > > > On 9 Jun 2005 16:59:01 -0700, "Learning Richard"
> > >> > > > <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >dreese@erols.com wrote:
> > >> > > > >> Scott in Florida wrote:
> > >> > > > >> > From the Wall Street Journal...
> > >> > > > >> >
> > >>
> > >> <snip>
> > >>
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >> John O'Neill is, without question, the KING of the anti-Kerry
> > >> > > > >> partisans.
> > >> > > > >>
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >Good God. O'Neill is a right-wing Vietnam Vet who's probably pissed
> > >> > > > >off that Kerry wouldn't join him in raping Vietnamese women and killing
> > >> > > > >Vietnamese civilians.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Please quote the statements Kerry made to the United State
> > >> > > > Congress....
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Please...
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > If you can't find them...I'll be happy to bring them up....
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Go right ahead, my man. Kerry spoke the truth. O'Neill was busy
> > >> > > mowing down Vietnamese citizens with his Mattel-made M16.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > I assume that's a tongue-in-cheek comment, as it certainly isn't true.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> eh... that's what my brother told me, long time ago -- he carried one.
> > >> Research does seem to show that it is an urban legend that Mattel
> > >> actually made parts for the M-16. Apparently they just made toy M-16s.
> > >
> > >I wasn't referring to who made the M-16, but to O'Neill "mowing down"
> > >Vietnamese.[/color]
> >
> > What, exactly, is wrong with 'mowing down' the enemy?[/color]
>
> Nothing.
>
> Where was "enemy" mentioned? I just saw Vietnamese citizens.
>[/color]

Yep. And Doug, here are two "Take Home" points from the above thread:

1. Scott seems to think "As long as they look like ****s, why not mow
them down?" (Or he just didn't think at all)

2. Folks like O'Neill, who experienced the demise of Pure White Power
in America, saw in Vietnam the last frontier for popping non-white
grapes. While that disgusts me, and I think the bastard should've
caught a bullet (like Kerry did), it doesn't surprise me.