Protected of a LEMON and if we got one?

Hello again dear all,

It just came to mind about a Lemon. A Lemon means a deffective car, one that
didnt get a healthy development so to speak. Right? How do I know I am not
buying a lemon? And if I got one how do I get another in exchange (like Dell
does with a deffective computer)??

Thanks!
Erina

"Erina Mashes" <shamtire@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vF6qe.11387$nk4.3812@trndny01...[color=blue]
> Hello again dear all,
>
> It just came to mind about a Lemon. A Lemon means a deffective car, one
> that didnt get a healthy development so to speak. Right? How do I know I am
> not buying a lemon? And if I got one how do I get another in exchange (like
> Dell does with a deffective computer)??
>
> Thanks!
> Erina
>[/color]

If you have a particular dealer in mind, call them and ask if you can get a
copy of their lemon laws. I don't think all states have them, but I think
most do. That gives you a trial period before bringing back a defective car,
however the intervals are varied.

You should also call your local Better Business Bureau for that info as well.

Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back

"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:42a8f857$0$12674[color=blue]
>
> If you have a particular dealer in mind, call them and ask if you can get
> a copy of their lemon laws. I don't think all states have them, but I
> think most do. That gives you a trial period before bringing back a
> defective car, however the intervals are varied.
>
> You should also call your local Better Business Bureau for that info as
> well.
>
> Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back
>[/color]
As mentioned, Lemon Laws are dictated by states (which have them). I believe
that most lemon laws allow a refund if the new car has been in the shop (for
warranty repairs) for a specified number of days during a specified period.
It is usually not up to the discretion of the buyer as to whether the car is
a lemon.

However, some states have a provision that allows used cars to be returned
for a refund (maybe 2-3 days after purchase) for a full refund at the full
discretion of the buyer.

Check your state consumer protection laws for details.

If you purchase a new Toyota, the odds of you getting a lemon are extremely
small (unless you abuse the car). Make sure you read and understand the
maintenance schedule required to your new car warranty (oil changes,
transmission fluid, air filter, etc).

"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42a8f857$0$12674[color=green]
>>
>> If you have a particular dealer in mind, call them and ask if you can get
>> a copy of their lemon laws. I don't think all states have them, but I
>> think most do. That gives you a trial period before bringing back a
>> defective car, however the intervals are varied.
>>
>> You should also call your local Better Business Bureau for that info as
>> well.
>>
>> Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back
>>[/color]
> As mentioned, Lemon Laws are dictated by states (which have them). I
> believe that most lemon laws allow a refund if the new car has been in the
> shop (for warranty repairs) for a specified number of days during a
> specified period. It is usually not up to the discretion of the buyer as to
> whether the car is a lemon.
>
> However, some states have a provision that allows used cars to be returned
> for a refund (maybe 2-3 days after purchase) for a full refund at the full
> discretion of the buyer.
>
> Check your state consumer protection laws for details.
>
> If you purchase a new Toyota, the odds of you getting a lemon are extremely
> small (unless you abuse the car). Make sure you read and understand the
> maintenance schedule required to your new car warranty (oil changes,
> transmission fluid, air filter, etc).
>[/color]

Even more good info, thanks!

Natalie

Natalie,

<<Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back>>

What confirms that a car is a Lemon??






"Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Erina Mashes" <shamtire@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:vF6qe.11387$nk4.3812@trndny01...[color=green]
>> Hello again dear all,
>>
>> It just came to mind about a Lemon. A Lemon means a deffective car, one
>> that didnt get a healthy development so to speak. Right? How do I know I
>> am not buying a lemon? And if I got one how do I get another in exchange
>> (like Dell does with a deffective computer)??
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Erina
>>[/color]
>
> If you have a particular dealer in mind, call them and ask if you can get
> a copy of their lemon laws. I don't think all states have them, but I
> think most do. That gives you a trial period before bringing back a
> defective car, however the intervals are varied.
>
> You should also call your local Better Business Bureau for that info as
> well.
>
> Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back
>
>[/color]

On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 20:34:53 -0600, Mark A wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42a8f857$0$12674[color=green]
>>
>> If you have a particular dealer in mind, call them and ask if you can get
>> a copy of their lemon laws. I don't think all states have them, but I
>> think most do. That gives you a trial period before bringing back a
>> defective car, however the intervals are varied.
>>
>> You should also call your local Better Business Bureau for that info as
>> well.
>>
>> Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back
>>[/color]
> As mentioned, Lemon Laws are dictated by states (which have them). I believe
> that most lemon laws allow a refund if the new car has been in the shop (for
> warranty repairs) for a specified number of days during a specified period.
> It is usually not up to the discretion of the buyer as to whether the car is
> a lemon.
>
> However, some states have a provision that allows used cars to be returned
> for a refund (maybe 2-3 days after purchase) for a full refund at the full
> discretion of the buyer.
>
> Check your state consumer protection laws for details.
>
> If you purchase a new Toyota, the odds of you getting a lemon are extremely
> small (unless you abuse the car). Make sure you read and understand the
> maintenance schedule required to your new car warranty (oil changes,
> transmission fluid, air filter, etc).[/color]

In MA, the law says any car that is in for the same repair three times
without resolution can come under the lemon law, and a refund is
available. However, there are also deductions for mileage, at $0.31 pre
mile. I believe. Also, since most dealers WON'T refund the money
cheerfully, there is an arbitration process. The arbitration process
USUSALLY sides with the dealer; this gives the dealer more time to solve
the problem. In the rare case a car can't be made workable within the
warranty period, then either a refund is issued or the parties go to court.

"Erina Mashes" <shamtire@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Gb8qe.14252$MX2.9936@trndny03...[color=blue]
> Natalie,
>
> <<Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back>>
>
> What confirms that a car is a Lemon??
>[/color]
Natalie may have been referring to a used car. For a new vehicle, it must be
in the shop a specified number of days during a given period, or as another
person in MA said, a certain number of times for the same problem. Many
states specify that if a car is in the shop for warranty repairs for 30 days
or more during the first year, then it is deemed a lemon (all these rules
vary by state).

It doesn't do you any good to ask Natalie, unless she lives in the same
state as you. Here are the lemon laws for all the states:
[url]http://www.lemonlawamerica.com/state_laws/[/url]

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:11:39 GMT, "Erina Mashes"
<shamtire@verizon.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>It just came to mind about a Lemon. A Lemon means a deffective car, one that
>didnt get a healthy development so to speak. Right? How do I know I am not
>buying a lemon? And if I got one how do I get another in exchange (like Dell
>does with a deffective computer)??[/color]

Check with your State DMV on registration rules, and the State
Attorney General or Consumer Protection agency about your local
version of Lemon Laws.

Basically, a Lemon Car has been taken back to the dealer to fix the
same recurring mechanical problem two or three times in a certain time
period, and they can't make it work right. Some state lemon laws
vary as to how substantial the problem has to be, or if it affects the
material safety and function of the car. (Not for cosmetic problems.)

And as to buying someone else's returned lemon car: As a rule, if
the car has been titled to someone once as "New" they cannot take it
back and sell it as "New" again. Now, it's Used.

But ask about the specifics of your state laws - I wouldn't be
surprised if some states had a way to "rollback" a title transfer from
a dealer to the buyer so they can sell it again as new. That
procedure would be meant for a car with under 100 miles on it and the
buyer's credit fell apart in the first few days.

But an unscrupulous dealer would readily exploit any loophole like
that if it exists, and lie under oath to the state to get them to
"rollback" a lemon under that law, so they can foist it off again as
New to someone else...

--<< Bruce >>--

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message[color=blue]
>
> Check with your State DMV on registration rules, and the State
> Attorney General or Consumer Protection agency about your local
> version of Lemon Laws.
>
> Basically, a Lemon Car has been taken back to the dealer to fix the
> same recurring mechanical problem two or three times in a certain time
> period, and they can't make it work right. Some state lemon laws
> vary as to how substantial the problem has to be, or if it affects the
> material safety and function of the car. (Not for cosmetic problems.)
>
> And as to buying someone else's returned lemon car: As a rule, if
> the car has been titled to someone once as "New" they cannot take it
> back and sell it as "New" again. Now, it's Used.
>
> But ask about the specifics of your state laws - I wouldn't be
> surprised if some states had a way to "rollback" a title transfer from
> a dealer to the buyer so they can sell it again as new. That
> procedure would be meant for a car with under 100 miles on it and the
> buyer's credit fell apart in the first few days.
>
> But an unscrupulous dealer would readily exploit any loophole like
> that if it exists, and lie under oath to the state to get them to
> "rollback" a lemon under that law, so they can foist it off again as
> New to someone else...
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
>[/color]
Just buy a car with less than 100 miles if you don't want a returned lemon.
There is no way a car can be classified as a lemon with that few miles on it
(unless the car will not start). A brand new car that has never been for a
test drive by a customer has about 5 miles on it (give or take a few).

Erina Mashes wrote:[color=blue]
> Hello again dear all,
>
> It just came to mind about a Lemon. A Lemon means a deffective car, one that
> didnt get a healthy development so to speak.[/color]

Check with your state's Department of Consumer Protection and/or
Department of Motor Vehicles.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:24:07 -0600, "Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message[color=green]
>>
>> Check with your State DMV on registration rules, and the State
>> Attorney General or Consumer Protection agency about your local
>> version of Lemon Laws.
>>
>> Basically, a Lemon Car has been taken back to the dealer to fix the
>> same recurring mechanical problem two or three times in a certain time
>> period, and they can't make it work right. Some state lemon laws
>> vary as to how substantial the problem has to be, or if it affects the
>> material safety and function of the car. (Not for cosmetic problems.)
>>
>> And as to buying someone else's returned lemon car: As a rule, if
>> the car has been titled to someone once as "New" they cannot take it
>> back and sell it as "New" again. Now, it's Used.
>>
>> But ask about the specifics of your state laws - I wouldn't be
>> surprised if some states had a way to "rollback" a title transfer from
>> a dealer to the buyer so they can sell it again as new. That
>> procedure would be meant for a car with under 100 miles on it and the
>> buyer's credit fell apart in the first few days.
>>
>> But an unscrupulous dealer would readily exploit any loophole like
>> that if it exists, and lie under oath to the state to get them to
>> "rollback" a lemon under that law, so they can foist it off again as
>> New to someone else...
>>
>> --<< Bruce >>--
>>[/color]
>Just buy a car with less than 100 miles if you don't want a returned lemon.
>There is no way a car can be classified as a lemon with that few miles on it
>(unless the car will not start). A brand new car that has never been for a
>test drive by a customer has about 5 miles on it (give or take a few).
>[/color]

Or buy a Toyota....with any mileage on it...


--

Scott in Florida

Look here [url]http://www.carlemon.com/[/url]

mike hunt



"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:[color=blue]
>
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:11:39 GMT, "Erina Mashes"
> <shamtire@verizon.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >It just came to mind about a Lemon. A Lemon means a deffective car, one that
> >didnt get a healthy development so to speak. Right? How do I know I am not
> >buying a lemon? And if I got one how do I get another in exchange (like Dell
> >does with a deffective computer)??[/color]
>
> Check with your State DMV on registration rules, and the State
> Attorney General or Consumer Protection agency about your local
> version of Lemon Laws.
>
> Basically, a Lemon Car has been taken back to the dealer to fix the
> same recurring mechanical problem two or three times in a certain time
> period, and they can't make it work right. Some state lemon laws
> vary as to how substantial the problem has to be, or if it affects the
> material safety and function of the car. (Not for cosmetic problems.)
>
> And as to buying someone else's returned lemon car: As a rule, if
> the car has been titled to someone once as "New" they cannot take it
> back and sell it as "New" again. Now, it's Used.
>
> But ask about the specifics of your state laws - I wouldn't be
> surprised if some states had a way to "rollback" a title transfer from
> a dealer to the buyer so they can sell it again as new. That
> procedure would be meant for a car with under 100 miles on it and the
> buyer's credit fell apart in the first few days.
>
> But an unscrupulous dealer would readily exploit any loophole like
> that if it exists, and lie under oath to the state to get them to
> "rollback" a lemon under that law, so they can foist it off again as
> New to someone else...
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
>
> --
> Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
> Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
> 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
> Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.[/color]

"Erina Mashes" <shamtire@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Gb8qe.14252$MX2.9936@trndny03...[color=blue]
> Natalie,
>
> <<Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back>>
>
> What confirms that a car is a Lemon??
>
>[/color]
Any number of things - anything that does not work properly from day one, you
should also go to [url]www.edmunds.com[/url] and see if others have found the car you're
interested into be problematic.

Natalie[color=blue]
>
>
>
>
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:42a8f857$0$12674$626a14ce@news.free.fr...[color=green]
>>
>> "Erina Mashes" <shamtire@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:vF6qe.11387$nk4.3812@trndny01...[color=darkred]
>>> Hello again dear all,
>>>
>>> It just came to mind about a Lemon. A Lemon means a deffective car, one
>>> that didnt get a healthy development so to speak. Right? How do I know I
>>> am not buying a lemon? And if I got one how do I get another in exchange
>>> (like Dell does with a deffective computer)??
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Erina
>>>[/color]
>>
>> If you have a particular dealer in mind, call them and ask if you can get
>> a copy of their lemon laws. I don't think all states have them, but I
>> think most do. That gives you a trial period before bringing back a
>> defective car, however the intervals are varied.
>>
>> You should also call your local Better Business Bureau for that info as
>> well.
>>
>> Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"Mark A" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Erina Mashes" <shamtire@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Gb8qe.14252$MX2.9936@trndny03...[color=green]
>> Natalie,
>>
>> <<Natalie, been there, done that, took the sucker back>>
>>
>> What confirms that a car is a Lemon??
>>[/color]
> Natalie may have been referring to a used car. For a new vehicle, it must
> be in the shop a specified number of days during a given period, or as
> another person in MA said, a certain number of times for the same problem.
> Many states specify that if a car is in the shop for warranty repairs for
> 30 days or more during the first year, then it is deemed a lemon (all these
> rules vary by state).
>
> It doesn't do you any good to ask Natalie, unless she lives in the same
> state as you. Here are the lemon laws for all the states:
> [url]http://www.lemonlawamerica.com/state_laws/[/url]
>[/color]
Yes, mine was in New Hampshire, and it was a used vehicle. Subaru Loyale - a
shitfest on wheels

Natalie